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A19338 Corderius dialogues translated grammatically For the more speedy attaining to the knowledge of the Latine tongue, for writing and speaking Latine. Done chiefly for the good of schooles, to be used according to the direction set downe in the booke called Ludus literarius, or The grammar-schoole.; Colloquia scholastica. English Cordier, Mathurin, 1479-1564.; Brinsley, John, fl. 1581-1624. 1636 (1636) STC 5764.2; ESTC S108692 238,706 321

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will A. Canst thou say it C. Peradventure not very well A. Goe to let us make tryall C. Why doe we then tarry A. Begin when thou wilt C. But it is rather thy part to begin A. Why so C. Because thou hast invited me A. Thou saiest right therefore attend C. I am here The 17. Dialogue Crispus Sandro●us Dost thou now remember those things which are to be repeated at three of the clocke S. I remember them C. I also doe remember them S. Therefore let u● talke a little C. But if the monitour shall come in the meane time he will thinke that we prate S. What doest thou feare where nothing is to be feared If he shall come he shall not find us idle or in any evill matter let him heare our talk if he will C Thou speakest very well let us goe aside some whither into a Corner least any one hinder us The 18. Dialogue T. M. IT doth not become us to be idle here or to prattle whilst our Master is looked for M. What saiest thou doth it not become yea truly it is not lawfull unlesse we will be beaten T. Therefore heare tho● me whilst I pronounce my lesson I wil● heare thee after M. Goe to say The 19. Dialogue E. F. WHy doest thou not write F. I hav● written now my side but thou E I goe to write in the Court-yard F. Why so E. Because the skie is cleare F. Make hast the time goeth away and an account will be required by and by The 20. Dialogue T. V. WHy dost thou not write V. Because I list not T. But our Maister had commanded V. I know but I must reade some thing before furthermore I have nothing which I may write now T. Oh if thou wouldest write for me V. What T. I have our Masters notes to be set downe V. What notes T. Vpon Tullies Epistles V. I will write them out for thee willingly but expect the next holy day T. I will expect then but I pray thee doe not deceive me V. I will not deceive thee wit●ing nor willing The 21. Dialogue D. A. WIlt thou write me out my lesson A. Why hast thou not it D. Because I was occupied to day A Take my booke and write it out D. Thou art not ignorant that I write very slowly and thou wilt sooner write out the whole then I foure or five little verses A. Seeke another writer for thee I cannot helpe thee now D. Why not A. There is another busines for me and the same very necessary D. I will not urge thee neither can I in truth but at least g lend me thy booke A. Take it use it as pleaseth thee so that thou doe not abuse it D. There is no cause that thou shouldest feare for this The 22. Dialogue Augustine The Observer c. or the houshold Monitour SChoole-fellows may we not go to bed Ob. Why before the houre A. Because must rise at three of the clocke Ob. Wherefore A. For to write Ob. What hast tho● to write Au. Letters to my father Ob. Wh● doest thou not aske leave of our Master Au. Thou advisest me well is he in hi● study Ob. I thinke that he is go● to see The 23. Dialogue Paed. Pu. FRom whence commest thou Pv. I com● from beneath Pae. What businesse had●● thou beneath Pu. I went to make water 〈◊〉 Sit now at the table ●arry in the chamber until I shal returne Pu. What shal I do in th● meane time Pae. Learne perfectly thy lesso● against to morrow that thou maist repea● it to me before supper P. Master now I hav● learned it perfectly Paed. Play then 〈◊〉 But I have no play-fellowes Pae. Thou shal find enow in this street even of thine ow● schoole-fellowes Pu. I doe not care fo● that now I had rather if it please you t● ●earne out the Catechisme against the Lords day Pae. As it liketh thee Pu. If any seeke you what shall I say unto him Pae. Say that I am gone forth but that I will returne by and by The 24. Dialogue The Schoolemaster Abraham the Schollar HOe Abraham A. a Anon Master S. Lay away thy bookes now thou hast studied enough the whole day prepare thy selfe that we may goe to walke A Were it not better after supper S. The exercise of the body is more wholesome before meat A. I remember that I have heard it from you S. Shew me the saying of Socrates to that purpose A. When Socrates did walke more earnestly untill the evening being asked why he did that he answered that he did feede hunger by walking whereby he might suppe better S. Thou remembrest well who is the authour A. Cicero but Master whither shall we goe S. Without the City A. Shall I change my shooes S. Change them least thou marre these new ones with dust take also thy little shadow least the vehement heat of the sun doe make thy face dusky A. I am ready S. Now indeed let us goe forth A. Shall I call one or other companion out of the street S. Thou dost admonish me well for so our walking shall be more pleasant for you shall confer betweene your selves by the way and you shall play together somwhere in the shadow A. So also we shall get an appetite to our meat S. I will goe softly before when thou shalt get companions follow ye me through the water gate A. Will you then looke for us there S. yea surely A. What if I s●al● find none S. Neverthelesse follow thou me● heardest thou not A. Master I heard The 25. Dialogue H. G. OF whom hast thou bought this paper G. Of Fatine H. Is it good G. It is better then this thy paper as I thinke H. I marvell not G. Wherefore sayest thou this H. Because peradventure it is dearer G. I know not H. For how much hast thou bought a queare G. For three halfe pence or thereabout but thou for ho● much H. For a penny and more G. Fo● how much then H. For five farthings G. Truely thou hast not bought it ill H Moreover the Mercer gave me an advantage G. What I pray thee H. A sheet o● blotting paper G. Oh how unwise was ● that forgot to aske H. Truely I did not ●ske but he gaue it me of his owne accord And said hee I giue thee this that thou
visite me againe G. So they are wont to allure buyers H. No marvell everie man seekes his owne commoditie G. But what do we being unmindfull of this dayes taske H. It is but little we have time enough The 26. Dialogue Aurell Fountaine DOst thou not remember that I lent thee paper of late F Why should I not remember I am not so forgetfull A. How many sheets were there F. Foure A. Why hast thou not restored them F I expected untill I had a booke A. Hadst thou it at length F. Onely to day A. From whence hast thou gotten it F. I asked it of our Master A. Where F. In his Library A. Wh●t did he gave hee it willingly F. He sent me unto the Vsher who gave me a booke presently A. Did he not put it into his booke before F. He is wont to give nothing but he writeth it in his booke before A. I have heard of my Father that that is the propertie of a wise man F. Especially if an account be to be given A. But by what tokens durst he give it thee F. I shewed it him written with my owne hand in my little booke for as thou knowest wee are wont to doe so A. Therefore wilt thou restore me that which I lent F. I will restore it straight way after dinnner doubt not The 27. Dialogue Franke. Marius ARe those pens to be sold which thou carryest about M. Yea if a buyer shall come F. Let me see them ah how soft are they M. Such as have fallen from the wings of our geese but try them diligently for some are more strong then other some F. I see enough what ones they are how many wilt thou give me for a farthing M. onely six F. What saist thou six I would rather buy of the Mercers which doe bring them hither from Paris and Lions M As if I knew not for how much they are sold I have heard of my brother which serveth a Scrivener of this City that he hath bought at Paris for pence a peece F. Men live after one way at Paris after another at Geneva but there is no need of so many words wilt thou give twelve M. Alas twelve as if I had stollen them F. I doe not say this but see whether the offer doe please thee M. Wilt that I speake in one word F. Say I pray thee we have pratled enough now M. I will give thee nine so that thou take them indifferently of my hand F. Thou triflest I would not take fi●teene without choise Farewell I shall finde* enow otherwhere M. Thou maiest for me hoe hoe returne F. Why doest thou call me backe M. Take eight if thou wilt neither expect moe from mee F. Give mee the whole bunch that I may choose at mine owne liking M. Hold choose as thou wilt F. See now and tell them if thou list M. There are twenty foure the number is evident But I marvell that thou tookest none out of the uttermost part of the wings for they are stronger F. I know it but they have a shorter quill take the price M. God prosper it to both of us F. I wish and pray the same with thee But when wilt thou bring better quils M. I know not whether I can bring better but as I hope I shall bring moe within a short space when I shall goe hence unto our house F. have yee many geese M. Thirty and more F. Wonderfull how great a flocke of geese where are they fedde M. Thou shalt know at another time I may not stay longer here Farewell Franke. F. Farewell Marius The 28. Dialogue Othomane Philibert WIlt thou give me but one penne P. They are not so given to me O. Oh dost thou deny me so small a thing what if I should aske some great thing P. Peradventure thou wouldest take the repulse O In truth beleeve it goe to I do not aske it as a gift at least wilt thou lend it me P. I doe not refuse so that thou doe not abuse it O. I will not abuse it P. Take heed thou stir not a foot from this place O. I will not stirre any whither The 29. Dialogue Merca●●r B●rtrand HAst thou sharpened my penne B. A good while ago M. For what fashion of writing B. For a mean forme M. I had rather thou hadst sharpened it for little letters B. Thou shouldest have told me before M. I had forgotten B. It makes little matter I ●hall change the point easily go to fetch it M. But where hast thou left it B. Vpon the table of the hot-house M In what part B. Where I am wont to study The 30. Dialogue Piston Iosua HAst thou two or three pens I. I have but two P. Lend me one I. I will not doe it P. Why not I. Least thou marre it P. Remember it paradventure thou shalt sometimes aske me somewhat in vaine I. But Christ commandeth evill to be recompensed with good P. I have not learned that as yet I. Notwithstanding it is meet that thou learne it if thou desire to be a Disciple of Christ. P. What doe I desire more I. Therefore learne to imitate thy Master P. I will learne in progresse of time I. It were better to begin now whilest thou hast time P. Thou urgest me too much I am not yet eight yeers old as my mother saith I There is alwaies a time of doing well but in the meane time I pray thee be not angry at me for I did jest that I might invite thee to talke with me so long whilst we are idle Take thee a pen and that not the very worst P. I wil restore it straightway unto thee when I shall write out a little I I will not that thou give it me againe P. What shall I do then I. Whatsoever thou wilt for I give it thee freely P. I give thee very great thanks The 31. Dialogue Henry Walter FRō whence dost thou returne so blowing G. From the market H. What dost thou bring from thence G. A pen-knife H. For how much hast thou bought it G. For two pence H. Is it good G. It is out of Germany as the Mercer cold me see the marke H. I know not the marke but thou dealest not very wisely which trusteth every Mercer G. What should I doe H. Thou oughtest take to thee some one that could
after supper that I may aske it of my mother M. What if shee will not give it B. Shee will make no delay when I shall shew her the booke The 50. Dialogue Montane Eusebius HOw old art thou E. Thirteene as I have heard of my mother but thou M. Intruth I am not so old E. How old then M. I want one yeare of thee E. Thou then art twelve yeares old M. The reason is plaine E. But how old is thy brother M. Five yeares old E. What sayest thou doth hee speake Latine already M. Why dost thou marvell we have alwayes a Schoolmaster at home both learned and diligent hee doth teach us ever to speake b Latine he uttereth nothing in English unlesse to make something plain moreover wee dare not speake to my father except in Latine E. Therefore doe yee never speake in English M. Onely with my mother and at a certaine houre when shee commands us to bee called unto her E. What do ye with the family M. We have seldome speech with the familie and indeed onely in their passage and yet the servants themselves doe speake to us in Latine E. What do the maids M. If at any time need requireth that we speake to them we use the vulgar tongue as we are wont with my mother her selfe E. O happy yee who are taught so diligently M. Thanks be to God by whose gift we have a father who hath a eare to have us so diligently instructed E. Certainly the praise and honour thereof is due to our heavenly Father alone but what doe we now I heare the roules caIled E. Therefore let us make haste The 51. Dialogue Silvius Ludovicus LEwes why art thou sad L. I am sick S. What disease is it L. I know not S. But yet is it a grievous disease L. Not very grievous thanks be to God S. What doth paine thee L. My head S. What all thy head L. No certainly S. What part then L. I know not the name S. Is it the crowne L. It is not S. What then whether is it the forepart of the head or the hinder part of the head L. It is this forepart S Therefore it is Synciput L. What shall I doe then S. Rest thou wilt bee very well by and by for so I have heard of my mother that there is no more present a remedie for the griefes of the head than rest L. But the diseases of the head are divers S. And peradventure the remedies are divers but what is more easie than to trie that which I said unto thee L. Truly as I hope it sh●ll not hurt to trie but where shall I r●st S At you● house in thy bed L. My mother will not suffer S. Yea if thou shalt say that thou art sicke L. But shee will thinke that ● dissemble S. It may bee but what doest thou doubt to make a triall L It is good counsell S. Vse it if thou wilt L. Verily I will doe it S. Yea certainly if thou bee wise L. But one thing ●emaines S. What is it L. Leave is to be gotten of our master S G●e to him and aske L. What if hee will not give leave S. Yea most easily L. How knowest thou that S. Because he is ready enough to give credit to us except to them who have sometimes deceived him L. I never deceived him witting S. Therefore goe boldly L. Now I goe S. But hoe meditate before what thou ●ilt say le●t peradventure thou sticke in speaking L. Thou admonishest well I will not come unprepared The 52. Dialogue Paul Timothy Solomon the Iudge O Timothy thou art present as I would wish I sought a companion that would strive with mee but all run to the strift of play but what sayest thou T. What desire I rather than to contend with thee peaceably concerning our studies P. But what matter of contending dost thou require whether of repeating Tullies Epistles T. I desire rather out of Cato P. Why T. Because there remaine some lessons of Tully to bee learned perfectly of mee for thou knowest that I was sicke almost a fortnight P. I doe remember it therefore wilt thou that wee repeat the scond booke of morall disticks T. It is too long for this houre P. Why so T. Because wee are to play somewhile that wee may exercise our bodie to preserve our health P. Let us then say the third booke which is most short T. But I will have a Judge P. Solomon is at hand who doth follow mee for that purpose T. Solomon wilt thou then heare us S. What are yee about to say P. The third booke of morall disticks S. Will yee not say by courses one after another T. Verily either of us his owne disticke S. But O boyes doe not decei●e your selves I will not heare you as a Judge P. Why not S. Lest peradventure one of the friends bee offended by my sentence T. In what then wilt thou bee a helper unto us S. I will note diligently in a little paper the slips of either afterward yee shall refer them to our master T. What will I be then S. He shall adjudge the victo●y and the reward to whether it shal be thought right T. Thou then shalt bee onely our witnesse S. I meane so indeed the reason seemeth to mee very good P. It is approved also very much of mee S. But one thing remaineth P. What is it S. Will ye have also your stammerings noted besides your manifest slips T. So the lawes of our master concerning this matter doe require S. Give me the booke into my hand that I may observe more certainly P. Hold mine T. Shall I begin P. It is equall because thou hast beene provoked by me T. Solomon heare I beseech thee diligently S. But take heed that thou say not negligently T. O Reader whosoever thou art which doest desire to know this verse Thou shalt beare in minde these precepts which are most profitable to good living P. Furnish thy mind with precepts and cease not to learne For the life without learning is an image of death T. Thou shalt reap many commodities but if thou shalt despise this verse Thou shalt not neglect me the writer but thou shalt neglect thy selfe P. When thou livest rightly care not for the words of evill men It is not in our power c. So they proceed even
what newes sawest thou in so many most famous townes S Doest thou aske Almost all things seemed newes to me but it would be long to shew thee all things especially now when I am to make haste to a certaine place P Whither I pray thee S To my uncle who invited me to supper P Therefore I will not stay thee any longer but when may we talk more at leisure S To morrow after dinner if thou wilt P Verely I earnestly desire it S Expect me then in my chamber at one of the clocke P It shall be done It is a fit time for our drinking The 35. Dialogue The Master Vsher. WHat have you thought sufficiently of that which we had speech of betweene us of late H. I have thought seriously of it M. Doth the condition which I offered any thing please you H. Very well M. What doth my table or diet please you H. I requi●e n● more therein M. Therefore what remaineth H. That if it be not troublesome to you you prescribe mee what services you will have performed unto you by mee M. That indeed is most equall Therefore heare the chiefe heads of your office of which this is the first In the morning daily to see carefully that all my houshold schollars doe arise early from bedde in regard both of the winter time and also the summer when they are risen that they looke to those things which appertaine to the dressing and cleanlinesse of their body last of all that they bee present at our private prayer The second is to leade them thrice every day into the hall to wit in the morning and before eleven of the clock and at three after noone To expect there except I my selfe shall be present untill some of the doctors shall come in the meane time to see some bills called and prayer to bee said In like manner to observe diligently whether any of the doctors themselves bee absent from his owne auditory if any one of them shall bee away to signifie to mee presently or to doe his duty for him The third is to remaine with the houshold children as oft a● they are not taught in their schooles in the meane to instruct the lesse in reading and writing and to heare the repetitions of the rest asmuch as time and opportunity will suffer to conclude to keepe all in their duty to admonish reprove chide also to correct with rods where need shall be The fourth is to leade them forth in order unto the holy assemblies upon the holidayes and in like manner to bring them backe home The fifth is as oft as it shall be permitted unto them to play to observe forthwith that they doe not any thing besides duty and good manners either in deeds or words The sixth is to deliver unto them of the mony which I shall put into your hands for paper pennes inke and certaine other necessaries onely of small price and to set them all downe in a booke of expences And that is wont to be done chiefly upon wednesdayes and saturdayes The seventh is not to neglect those things which shall appertaine their bookes apparell and care of their body that is to to exact sometimes of them an account of their bookes and apparell to have a regard of their health and ordering of their body and other things of such sort to bee looked to and obserued especially in the lesse boyes An eighth is to teach the boyes both in my forme and also in the rest besides the three upper formes if at any time need shall require A ninth duty is to helpe me sometime if need shall be both at home and abroad in private businesses Hitherto you have heard what duties I will have to bee performed unto mee from you and which I am wont to exact also of other ushers in my house yet I will not bee so severe an exactor of them all but I my selfe will remit some things unto you as oft as I may be at leisure in which I will performe as it were the part of a deputy understand you all these things H. Truely I understand all things well bu I intreat you one thing that to the helping of my memory you give me a little note of them and withall space of thinking and deliberating of them M. How much time doe you require H. One whole day M. Indeed I will give you two whole dayes In the meane time as you h●ve begun you shall proceed to table and to stay together with us without any cost of yours so freely as if you were at your own house H. You do this very curteously whereby it commeth to passe that you binde mee with a greater kindnesse M. You shall have the note which you require after dinner so soone as I can write it you with mine owne hand H. What if you should dictate it to me M. I my selfe had rather to write it lest peradventure any thing over●lip me as I am uttering it H. As it pleaseth you The 27. Dialogue Questor Benignus HOw am I sorry that I was not present at your repeating B. Why camest thou not sooner into the schoole as thou a●t wont for most part Q. Wretch that I am I rose not in time B. Wherefore Q. Because no body awaked mee B. Who is wont to raise thee up Q. Our Host or his girle but when he is away the girle doth forget oftentimes or at least doth neglect it B. Where was your host Q. Hee was gone forth to his businesse early in the morning as I knew afterwards B. What doth your hostesse doth shee looke to nothing Q. What doest thou think that she should looke to Every day from what time she is up she is alwayes busie partly in caring for her little children partly in other houshold matters· B. Hast thou no scholars thy chamber-fellowes Q. None at all B. Ah unhappy boy who hast no one with whom thou mayest conferre concerning thy studies Q. For that cause my condition is most miserable as much as I do judge for I cannot study as I would for ●o great a company of buyers and sellers who doe frequent that house and doe trouble me with noise