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A09101	A discouerie of I. Nicols minister, misreported a Iesuite, latelye recanted in the Tower of London Wherin besides the declaration of the man, is contayned a ful answere to his recantation, with a confutation of his slaunders, and proofe of the contraries, in the Pope, cardinals, clergie, students, and priuate men of Rome. There is also added a reproofe of an oratiuon and sermon, falsely presented by the sayd Nicols to be made in Rome, and presented to the Pope in his consistorye. Wherto is annexed a late information from Rome touchng [sic] the aute[n]tical copie of Nicols recantation.	Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610.	1581 (1581)	STC 19402; ESTC S120349	83,096	196

wel be called nothing Iohn Nicols accusations proued to be nothing in the consideration of indifferent iudges First for that they are but triflinge matters in respecte of the manifould great affayres of Princes whose troublesome infinite dealinges are subiecte to suspion of greater iniquities if they should be called to iudgment before the tribunall of our imaginations Secondly for that if they were bothe great and haynous and also true yet were they noe preiudice to religion whose slaunder héere is sought for the reasōs aleaged by S. Ausstē before Lastly for that they are false supposed only by Iohn Nicols as may apeare by that alreadie hath bene answered and also by some thinges which herafter shall ensue For thanked be the holy prouidence of our mercyfull Sauiour he hath blessedly prouided for the malice of our time by placing in that rowme soe vertuous and iust a man as maye stopp the barking chappes of all his spitfull and slaunderous enemies especially in this crime of couetous iniquitie obiected against him by the shamles ingratitude of him only who confesseth the receipt of more lberalitie from him in few monethes Greate ingratitude then he could haue gotten at home in many yeares I saye Pope Gregorie is greatly wronged to be charged with that vice wherof neuer Prince in mans remēbrance hath had so many testimonies of the contrarie vertue The monumentes of his bountefulnes pietie and excéeding liberalitie are extante to the vew of euery manes eyes whome malice hath not blinded I could héere fill vpp bookes with recital of infinit particulers knowen to the worlde and confessed by his enemies which would séeme wonderfull vnto the reader touchinge his munificence and woorkes of charitie but the place serueth not and parhaps it may héerafter be declared by others Nowe it shal be enoughe to note only in two or thrée wordes the deuersitie of wayes wherby this holy man powreth out his liberalite to the néedye and then let the indifferent reader iudge whether it be likely that he which estéemeth soe litle his owne will vse extorsion for the spoyling of others There is a vertuous preacher in Italie named Iulius Rasius Hortinus Iulius Rasius Hortinus whoe about two yeares past made certayn colections of things done in Rome This man notethe that the Almes and charitable déedes of this Pope are of two sortes the one certaine firme and standing openly knowen to the world the other secrete and vncertaine geuen out only as occasions doe require For the which notwithstanding this Pope euerie yeare layeth a side one hundrethe thowsand crownes albeit manie times this sum is not sufficient for that purpose He reckoneth vpp manie perticulers to proue this his saying The Popes extraordinarie deedes of charitye which I omitt As for example that within the space of fiue yeares he gaue extraordinariely besides his standing pensons to that purpose aboue two hundred t●owsande crownes to one good worke onlye which was to the reléefe of poore widdowes and to the mariage of orphane girles and other whiche without that helpe had bene in daunger to haue fallen for néede to a lewde kinde of life The like occasions are innumerable wherin his ayde is demaunded as in the often necessities of pilgrimes that come to that cittie of Christians taken by the Turkes and Moores of poore people fallinge into miserie within his dominions and also for the faythe abroade of hospitales religious howses Churches Colleges schooles confraternities and the like which all in their néedes make recourse vnto him and are neuer reiected without some reléefe But nowe for his certaine and standinge woorkes of mercye they are farre greater without all comparisone For first as Rasius notethe Ca. de principum vita there are aboue thrée thowsand parsons which haue their dailye maintenance out of his palace of Vatican The Popes ordinare expences in deede● of cha●itye wherof verye fewe are his owne seruantes for that they haue their standinge wages besydes but they are but they are such as liue abrode in the citie and receaue thence euerie seconde day their portions of bread wyne and raw fleshe to the valew of a crowne a wéeke for which purpose the Pope besides the wines of his owne dominions buyeth euery yeare a thowsand and fiue hundred butts of wine out of the Kingdome of Naples whereof the Kinge Catholicke geueth him the custome Besids this the numbers are maruelous of English men Straungers releeued Irish men Scotts Flemings Germās Hungariās Slauons Gréeks Cypriotes and others which being molested for their consciences at home repayre to him for succour whereof none are reiected but all holpen accordinge to their necessities and his abilitie as some of them haue 30. crownes a moneth some 20. some 15. some 10 some 6 and none lesse then 4. which I haue hard of Besides all this are his standing pensions to hospitalls and to sundry orders of poore religious howses which beinge in great multituds must néedes be very chargeable vnto him especially his munificence being to geue so abundantlye as he doth and such liberal portions for I vnderstand of one religious howse only in that citie which receaueth yearely from him aboue 5000. crownes in ordinarie almes besides all other After this are schooles and learned men Vniuersities learned mē maintayned by him in dyuers places but principally in his vniuersities of Rome Bononie and Perusium For example in Rome he hath Muretus Muretus and in Bonony Sigonius Sigonius both men of great name and intertained by him with seuerall stipendes of litle lesse soome then of 1000● crownes yearly The other readers also of these vniuersities are many and very sufficient depending all or the most parte of the Popes exhibition as in Rome there are 30. readers in the Colldge named Sapientia Rasius cap. de colleg and the meanest of them hath yearely for his lecture 100. crownes and the most much more And besides these he geueth very large entertaynment to many learned men of all professions in Rome it selfe as Deuines Lawyers Oratours Poetes Antiquaries Gretians Hebritians Arabians and Sirians which remayne there for the ornamente of that citie Last of all and aboue all are his Seminaries and Colledges which he hath erected and founded vpon his owne charges for the vertuous trayninge vppe of youth as well in other countries as in his owne Seminaries in Rome And in Rome the Seminaries are manye which he hath erected Wherof the first is Seminarium Germanicum Germanicū for the vse of Germans which cost him 37. thowsand crownes the first yeare and now hath endewed it with twelue thowsande crownes a yeare of annuall rentes The seconde is Hebreum Seminarium Hebraicum for the vse of yonge Iewes conuerted to the fayth wherein they are brought vppe in exacte studie of diuinitie in the Hebrew tongue vnder Christian Rabbines for the confutinge of their nation when they come to be of sufficient

A Discouerie of I. Nicols minister misreported a Iesuite latelye recanted in the Tower of London Wherin besides the declaration of the man is con●ayned a ful answere to his recantation with a con●utation of his slaunders and proofe of the contraries in the Pope Cardinals Clergie Studentes and priuate men of Rome There is also added a reproofe of an oration and sermon falsely pretended by the sayd Nicols to be made in Rome and presented to the Pope in his Consistorye Wherto is annexed a late information from Rome touch●ng the autētical copie of Nicols recantation IHS God hathe exalted him and geuen him a name whiche is aboue all names Philippens 2.ver.9 There is no other name vnder heauen geuen vnto men wherin we must be saued Act. 4 ver 12 A lyeing witnes shall haue an yuel ende Pro. 21. An non ex hac odiosa impudentia pullulabit mox impoenitentia mater desperationis Bern. Ser. 42. in Can. 1 A preface shewing different proceeding in ●atholicks and their aduersaries with a diuision of the booke into three partes 2 The firste parte contayneth a narration of Iohn Nicolls with a refutation of certayne vayne and false vauntes made of him selfe 3 The seconde parte contayneth a confutation of many malitious slaunders vttered by Nicolls againste Catboliques but especiallie and more in particuler against the Pope the Cardinals priestes and religious men the English studentes in Rome diuers particuler persons and againste the cittye of Rome it selfe where also the contraries to Nicols reportes are declared 4 The third parte contayneth an explication and defence of certayne controuersies misunderstood and absurdly peruerted by Nicols 5 Nicols oration sermon published in english since the writing of this booke pretended by him as made in Rome presented to the Pope are conuinced of forgery by manifest absurdities impossibilities and contradictions 6 Also there is added a late information from Rome of the true copie of Nicols recantation in that place 7 Lastly there is put downe an example 〈◊〉 a tast of Nicols talent in rayling at both sides TO the indifferente Reader IT IS one poynte among other o● very bare brokers to extol immoderatly very base wares And it is not the guise but of needye distressed warryers The aduersaries pouertie to receaue wi●h trōpet to place of dignitie euerie ragged and wandering fugitiue Which two thinges notwithstanding with no smal discredite of their owne cause some aduersaries of ours haue followed of late in soe greedye receauing and aduauncinge to the pulpet with measureles commendation one Iohn Nicoles farre vnfitte in mine opinion for soe great a doe beinge but a reiected thing of the contrarie parte a séelie grammarian and twise reuolted minister Whose recantation or rayling rather inuectiue published not long since from the Tower of London In februarie Ano. 1581. I coulde more willinglye haue pittied then aunswered knowing the mans féeblenes as I doe but only for that he surchargeth with slaunder soe manie other men yea Princes and states in that his declamation as it was harde for me whiche before god in my conscienes knewe all or moste of it to be forged to hould my peace in soe manyfest vntruthes and by silence to yelde credite to the manye malytious and reproche●ul reportes The dealing also of our aduersaries in this case and she like moued me not a little to answere whoe shame not to proclaime triumphes vpon soe base conquestes against their mother the Catholique Church whoe hath borne them and brought them vp and whoe if she would but a litle folow the same course Different dealing in Catholiques their aduersaries not in falshed and malice as they doe but in euident truthe ether by noting the knowen vices of her enemies which rather she soroweth and hartely be wayleth or in vaunting the gaine of suche as daylye by goddes g●ace returne againe from rebellion she might easely in bothe these things matche and ouermatche the lauishe tōgues of her reuoulted children were she not restrained by charytie in the one and by grauitie in the other For touching the first who doth not knowe that if in lewe of this and the like t●● notable infamous a●tes of ministers preachers onlye in this one Realme of Englande for the space of one doson years past Looke the crowne off●●● and other lyke recordes w●re ga●hered into some one booke ●or the vewe of the worlde they would be more in quantitie and in qualitie more haynous then al that they haue gathered by great laboure muche falshod in their seueral bookes out of the liues of the worste Catholiques for these thowsand yeres past ouer all the whole worlde And yet these men ●or●oothe came as prophetes to re●orme vs and our f●thers liues and ther●ore in reason should haue liued more exactly them selues And touching the second who dothe not sée the great varietie of important learned personages which from time to time vppon trial of the truthe doe retourn● vnto vs euen from their ministerie and they also of other qualitie and talente then séelye Iohn Nicols whoe in good soothe is not worthe the taking vp being sounde in the stréete and yet we vaunt not of eache thing in printe nor sturre we tragedies vpon litle trifles We are contente to leaue this to our aduersaries whose fraude or feruor is to make mountaines of molehilles and greate speache vppon small matter If any man wil doubt wh●ther such returne of Protestantes be made vnto vs or noe as I noted before passing ouer other places let him cast his eye but vpon these Seminaries and Colleges on this side the seas where English studentes are and he shal finde a great and principal part therof to haue bene in times past not onely of there religion but also towardes there ministerie Ministrye to Preisthode whoe on the contrary can not shew me any one Préest in these later yeres perverted by them I add in these later yeres for that albeit in the beginning of heresie when first the banner of sedition was raysed agaynst the Church great multitudes of people reuolted together as in al commotions is wonte to happe by some generall fa●se sugg●stion of the principal rebels Cause of former reuolting and present re●urninge yet afterward the heate being past and more calmer consideration coming in place men haue staied them selues and harkened to the cause and diuers also returned which in the first furie ranne out with the rest of which two sortes both the one and the other remayne better fortified for resisting of lyke error for the time to come The meanes which haue bene vsed generally to preistes taken these later yeres for I wil conceale tower matters in particuler for the withdrawing of them in religion haue bene many and strong and qualified in both extremities of rigor and alluremēt promises and minaces and yet so great is God his goodnes no one I say not any one hath vnto this day faultered But of ministers

was like to haue tourned to the ruine of the citie for that they were now entred into violente murdering one an other To thes are adherents in matter of estate gouerment Card. Cardinales imployed in matters of state Aragonia Sforza Altemps Ferra●a Columna Vrsino Gonzage Farnesio Alexandrino Sansisto in Rome Granvello Guisio and others abroade imploied by these mens direction For the seconde which is learninge Excercise of learninge I might name the most parte of them al but for breuitie I wil name only fower Sanseuerinus Sanseuerinus Sirletus Sirletus Alciatus Alciatus Hossius lately decessed Hossius Wherof the former two being verie experte in the tongues doe promote with special care the studdy and knowledge of the same as by that which I meane to speake of their excersices shall appeare Card. Sanseuerine is protector of the Hebrew Nation and of their Seminarie whiche they haue in Rome wherof I haue spoken before Besids the care of which Colledge he maintaineth diuers excelēt Hebritians about him from sundrie partes of the worlde and he hath besides certaine learned Rabbines conuerted which euerie satterday repaire to the Iewes Sinagoges to conuerte them or to confounde them out of their owne lawe in the hebrewe tongue Furthermore he hath at certaine dayes in the wéeke a Congregation or méeting of learned hebritians who in ●h● presence of him ●elfe diuers other Cardinals and Prelates doe examine and discusse the hebrewe writings of all th● oulde Rabbines takinge oute only● that whiche shall bee thoughte bye th● Congregatiō to be blasphemous agains● Christ and vnsu●ferable and the reste to correcte and make cléere with anotations for the better vnderstanding of studēts in that tonge And by this meanes we are lyke erre it be longe to enioy all the Hebrewe commentaries The Syriacke and Arabicke songs in rome and other discourses vppon the olde Testamente which wil be noe smal helpe to students in diuinitie Besids the promoting of the Hebrewe tongue this Cardinall hath also by the Popes appointement a speciall care of aduauncinge the Syryan and Arabian tongue in Rome but principallye of the Arabian which is common to all the Easte partes of th● worlde both of Asia 〈◊〉 Egipt for hel●● of which countries their is also a peculier Seminarie now th●●ght vpon and a very gold print erected in Rome this last yeare for the diuulgatinge our auctours in that tongue which is doonne chéefly by the Patriarch of Antioche which about thrée yeares agoe fledde from the Turke to Rome The patriarch of Antioche fled to Rome and there is maintayned by the Pope according to his degrée with many learned Arabians about him whoe wryte and translate many things in that tonge by his direction he beinge very learned in diuinitie himselfe There is vsed also as a principall instrumente in this matter one Iohannes Baptista Romanus of the Societie of Iesus a Iew borne and once a learned Rabbin amongest them but now a zealous Christian whoe was sent about thrée yeares past with diuers companiōs into Asia and there wrought great frute in our fayth and returned agayne after one yeare requiringe more laborers to be sente thyther and for a proofe of the peoples capacity he brought with him two excellente boyes of very a quicke and sharpe vnderstanding by séeinge of which the Pope was the more moued to thinke of a Seminary for the● Nations and to prefer other matters before recited for their commoditie Card. Syrletus is protectour of the Gréekes and of their Seminarie beinge him selfe excellente well studied in that tongue and as Sanseuerin furthereth the Hebrew● soe doth he by all meanes possible the Gréeke and hath a like Congregation of learned Gretians at certayne dayes of the wéeke Greeke exercises vnder Sir ●etus as the other hath of Hebritians and they haue now almost ended the examination of the gréeke Bible according to the Septuaginta with the helpe of great varietie of aunciente copies from manye partes of the world with conference of all the old gréeke Fathers which worke is thought wil be very profitable when it shal come forth in print the which being done they meane to procéede to other matters of noe lesse commoditie for the furtherance of Christian diuinitie To these are ayders in the aduauncemente of learninge besides the forenamed Card. Sainctes Leomeline Maffeus Sancta Croce Iustiniā Cornaro Sangeorgio and others For the thyrd which is bountefull liberalitie in workes of charitie Workes of charitie God be thanked I might bring many examples but without iniurie to the reste I will name only a few particulers whose presente monumentes of charitie are more apparante to the worlde Card. Cesius hath bulded in our time for the monastery of destitute maydes such as before their coming thither were in perill of dishonest life a very fayre Church with other necessaries to the valew of 30. thowsand crownes Card. Burrho●meus And Card. Borrhomeo hath bestowed 40. thowsand crownes in a Church for the Mal Maritate whereof I wil speake more in myne answere for Rome Card. Farnesius Card. Farnesius also hath disbursed alredy aboue 80. thowsād crowns in a Church for the Iesuites the thinge being not yet halfe finished and his almes besides are knowē to be very liberall partly to poore Hospitals partly to other poore people to whom be geueth certayne stipendes and pensions to the number of a 100. so that the whole some of his expences in charitable déedes are thought to amounte yearly to 30. thowsand crownes or not much lesse I could recken here many particulers of other Cardinals but that time serueth not Notwithstāding I can not omit to say a worde of Card. Medices Car. Medices● brother to the Duke of florence whoe besids other déedes of pietie Anno 1575● did vse in the late yeare of Iubile to repayre often to Trinitie Hospitall where great numbers of Pilgrimes did alwayes remaine A very rare example in a Prince a●d there putting on an apren did serue them at table and not onely reléeued them with monie of his owne but also became a gatherer for them amongest his frends and acquayntance to the greate edification of others and comforte of those poore men And finallye there is no Cardinall that I haue hard of but doth besides his extraordinary al●es allot out monthly some certayne s●ome of monie to be distributed to the poore as may appeare in the bookes of Hospitalls and other poore howses wherein you shall sée noted how much these howses receaue from eache Cardinall euery moneth For the fourth and last which is rare example of Pastoral lyfe Rare exāple of pastorall life amongst many I will name thrée whom the world doth both knowe and woonder at That is Card. Caraffa Caraffa Paleotto Borrhomeo Caraffa is a yong man abiding coōmonly in Rome and his vertues are rare in al kinde of zelous Christian behauiour that

Church true against heretickes Now then let vs examine bréefly both our marks and those of our aduersaries accordinge to these thrée properties and conditions● Our aduersaries bring two principal markes Cal. li. 4. in ca● 1. num 7. 8.9 whereby they would haue the true Church to be tryed the one is the true vse of Sacramentes the other the true interpretatiō and preaching of God his word which two thinges alb●it they be pri●iledges of the true Church and onely found in the same yet can they be no external markes to shew vnto vs the saied Church Heretical markes re●uted for that they want al those thrée properties of true markes before recited For first they are as vnknowen to vs as the thinge we séeke for it being as hard and obscure and as much in cōtrouersie who doe preach the worde sincerely and administer the Sacramentes aright as it is whi●h is the true Church Secondly these two thinges are not soe proper to the true Church but that euery heretical congregation may and doth in the sight of the world chalēg the same vnto it selfe consequētly it can not be a good marke to distinguishe their cōgregations from the true Church Thirdly the holy Fathers did neuer vse thes two marks against the hereticks of their time but rather did reiect thē when they were brought for marks by hereticks as they are now Li. 3. ca. 19. de bap con Don. ep 48. ad Rog. li. 1. ca. 29. cont Cresc as it may appeare by S. Austē in diuers places against the Donatists Rogatistes and other here●ickes which did labour as he sayeth That their error may be named truth ther wikednes iustice for the sacramēts scripturs which they hold for a shew not to saluation The Catholickes on the other side doe alleag more certaine easie and manifest marks for trial of the Church which markes haue al the properties before recited albeit they vse to bring 15. or 16● s●ueral notes or signes al foūded in the scripturs by vew wherof it is most esie to discerne the true Church from al other yet for breuities sake I wil name only fower thrée whereof are impugned by Iohn Nicolls in his booke The first marke is that the true Church is Catholicke as our Créed teacheth vs 1 Catholicke Au● ep 170. ad Seuer Lirin li. aduer here which word S. Austē expoundeth thus The Catholicke Church is that which is spread ouer the whole world an other father not long a●ter him expon̄deth that to be the Catholike or vniuersal Church which holdeth that faithe ●ero dial con Lucif Pacian ep ● ad Simp. Aug. li de vera religi cap. 7 tract 118. in Ioh. in psal 49. 147. li. 2. cont Pet. cap. 55. ser. 131. de tempore that hath bene h●lde generally by Christians euerye where and in all times since the beginning● And generally al the holy Fathers doe vse and vrge this marke against all heretiques prouing that church onlye to be the true church which being planted by the Apostles and their successors was spread ouer al partes of the world or the chéefe partes therof wherby it tooke the name of Catholique and that all other congregations which afterwarde began in corners or by some one or fewe men contrarie to the more parte of Christianitie can not be the true Church but hereticall Sinagogues Li. de vtili cre cap. 7. Whereas there be many heresies amongest Christians saith S. Austen and all wil seeme to be catholiques calling other men heretiques besides them selues the Catholique Churche is but one more plentifull in multitude if we consider the whole world as al men will graunt And againe Ep. 165. ad gen If an Angel frō heauen should saye leaue the Christianitie of the whole world and hould the partes of Donatus he ought to be accursed for that he goeth about to cutt thee from the whole and to thrust thee into a part And againe Li. 4. de simb ca. 10. Whatsoeuer Congregation of heresie sitteth in a Corner she is a harlot and noe mother Now whether this marke agrée to our churche or theirs let our aduersaries iudge The second marke of the true church is Antiquitie 2 Antiquitie For as God was before the diuel and as the good séede was sowē in the gospel before the cockle Math. 13. soe was Christ his true church before al heresie and al heresies haue sprong vp since our Catholique faithe was planted whiche thing may be shewed in this māner See of this Aug. li. cō Ep. funda cap. 4. Ierō ep ad Pam. Ocean dial con Lucif Hillar li. 6. de trin ante medium For that in euery notable change or alteration of religion these six thinges maye be shewed First the authore of that newe religion secōdly the new doctrine which he taught thirdly the time when he began fowerthly the place or coūtrie wher he began fiftly that some men resisted and impugned this newe doctrine at the beginning sixthly that some other fewe men first began to embrace the same And al these six thinges we can shewe in euery heresie since Christes time as also of the doctrine of our aduersaries But they can neuer shewe the same of the beginning of our doctrine And therfore it appeareth that their doctrine is new and h●retical and ours auncient and Catholique This argument of antiquitie al the Fathers haue vsed against heretiques of their time Lib. de prescrip con here What are you saith Tertuliā to certaine heretiques whēce whē came you where haue you beene hidden soe longe Lib. 2. And Optatus against Parmenian Shew the beginning of your chayre which will challenge the holy Church vnto you The third marke vsed by the ould Fathers to know the true Church 3 Succession is succession of Bishopes frō the Apostles time especially in the sea of Rome Lib. 3. con her cap. 3. For so saieth Ireneus aboue 1300 yeares past reconinge vpp all the Bishopes of Rome from S. Péeter vnto his time And adding that by that succession of Bishopes all heretiques were confounded The same saythe Tertulian Lib. de prescrip Let heretiques laye forthe the beginninge of their churches let them tourne ouer the order of their Bishopes comminge doune by succession● cet Epi. her 27. Epiphanius also vseth this argument of reconing vpp the Bishopes of Rome for proofe of the Catholiqu● faythe and confutation of heresie The like dothe Optatus and S. Augustine against the Donatistes Oopt li. 2. cont Pa●m Au. ●p 165. 42. Willing them to doe the like if they meane to aquite them selues from heresie And the reasone of this is for the Christ leauing his Churche to be gouerned by his Apostles whiche were Bishopes and they by their successors whosoeuer came in afterward not by this lawfull and ordinarie dore of ordination succession Iohn 10 except he bring extraordinarie