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A39573 Baby-baptism meer babism, or, An answer to nobody in five words to every-body who finds himself concern'd in't by Samuel Fisher. Fisher, Samuel, 1605-1665. 1653 (1653) Wing F1055; ESTC R25405 966,848 642

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