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aberration_n herein_o but_o quiet_o permit_v he_o to_o enjoy_v the_o comfort_n and_o honour_n of_o such_o witness_n finis_fw-la preface_n to_o the_o reply_n synodus_fw-la 4tae_fw-la carthaginensis_n cent._n 4._o cap._n 9_o pag._n 873._o laodicens_fw-la concilium_fw-la cent._n 4._o cap._n 9_o p._n 833._o common-prayer_n book_n last_o edit_n dip_v by_o wash_v be_v nonsense_n nonsense_n dr._n richard_n allestree_n the_o worthy_a provost_n of_o eaton-colledg_n eaton-colledg_n in_o his_o book_n entit_fw-fr more_o proof_n of_o infant_n church-membership_a pag._n 343._o 343._o in_o his_o treatise_n of_o baptism_n london_n 1674._o pag._n 65_o 66._o 66._o anno._n 1656._o 1656._o pag._n 343._o of_o his_o book_n before_o cite_v ☞_o ☞_o ☜_o ☜_o