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A66526 VindiciƦ vindiciarum, or, A vindication of a late treatise, entituled, Infant-baptism asserted and vindicated by Scripture and antiquity in answer to Mr. Hen. D'Anvers his reply : to which is annexed, the Right Reverend Dr. Barlow (now Bishop-elect of Lincoln) his apologetical-letter : also An appeal to the Baptists (so called) against Mr. Danvers, for his strange forgeries, and misrepresentations of divers councils and authors, both antient and modern / by Obed Wills. Wills, Obed.; Barlow, Thomas, 1607-1691. Appeal to the Baptists against Henry D'Anvers, Esq. 1675 (1675) Wing W2868; ESTC R38662 92,093 163

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study_v as_o he_o ought_v to_o have_v be_v as_o to_o the_o time_n when_o child_n shall_v be_v baptize_v what_o in_o the_o last_o place_n he_o speak_v of_o hilary_n that_o none_o be_v baptize_v in_o the_o western_a church_n but_o the_o adult_n be_v confront_v in_o the_o beginning_n where_o we_o have_v show_v that_o he_o have_v no_o such_o say_n in_o lib._n de_fw-fr trinitate_fw-la the_o book_n refer_v to_o and_o how_o he_o himself_o be_v for_o infants-baptism_n from_o his_o second_o epistle_n to_o austin_n as_o for_o his_o other_o witness_n munzer_n and_o john_n of_o leyden_n with_o the_o rest_n of_o that_o faction_n though_o he_o do_v pertinacious_o persist_v against_o the_o clear_a evidence_n in_o palliate_v or_o rather_o deny_v the_o horrid_a crime_n lay_v to_o their_o charge_n and_o withal_o very_o disingenuous_o reflect_v dishonour_n upon_o those_o of_o the_o reformation_n i_o shall_v not_o be_v at_o so_o much_o expense_n of_o time_n and_o paper_n as_o to_o expose_v his_o gross_a aberration_n herein_o but_o quiet_o permit_v he_o to_o enjoy_v the_o comfort_n and_o honour_n of_o such_o witness_n finis_fw-la preface_n to_o the_o reply_n synodus_fw-la 4tae_fw-la carthaginensis_n cent._n 4._o cap._n 9_o pag._n 873._o laodicens_fw-la concilium_fw-la cent._n 4._o cap._n 9_o p._n 833._o common-prayer_n book_n last_o edit_n dip_v by_o wash_v be_v nonsense_n nonsense_n dr._n richard_n allestree_n the_o worthy_a provost_n of_o eaton-colledg_n eaton-colledg_n in_o his_o book_n entit_fw-fr more_o proof_n of_o infant_n church-membership_a pag._n 343._o 343._o in_o his_o treatise_n of_o baptism_n london_n 1674._o pag._n 65_o 66._o 66._o anno._n 1656._o 1656._o pag._n 343._o of_o his_o book_n before_o cite_v ☞_o ☞_o ☜_o ☜_o