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they_o speak_v false_o in_o many_o thing_n and_o that_o which_o none_o of_o the_o ancient_a writer_n do_v affirm_v as_o for_o instance_n mr._n danvers_n tell_v we_o seb._n frank_n and_o twisk_n affirm_v that_o donatus_n teach_v that_o no_o infant_n shall_v be_v baptize_v but_o only_o those_o that_o believe_v and_o desire_v it_o which_o be_v false_a and_o neither_o they_o nor_o mr._n danvers_n can_v prove_v it_o out_o of_o austin_n or_o any_o ancient_a writer_n but_o suppose_v donatus_n himself_o have_v be_v against_o infant-baptism_n yet_o una_n hirundo_fw-la non_fw-la facit_fw-la ver_fw-la one_o swallow_n do_v not_o make_v a_o spring_n it_o will_v not_o follow_v that_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o donatist_n be_v so_o likewise_o no_o more_o than_o because_o mr._n tomb_n the_o head_n of_o the_o anabaptist_n do_v conform_v therefore_o all_o the_o anabaptist_n of_o england_n do_v conform_v again_o jac._n mern_v say_v that_o cresconius_n oppose_v austin_n in_o that_o point_n viz._n of_o infants-baptism_n but_o in_o the_o whole_a dispute_n between_o austin_n and_o