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A67926 Actes and monuments of matters most speciall and memorable, happenyng in the Church. [vol. 2, part 1] with an vniuersall history of the same, wherein is set forth at large the whole race and course of the Church, from the primitiue age to these latter tymes of ours, with the bloudy times, horrible troubles, and great persecutions agaynst the true martyrs of Christ, sought and wrought as well by heathen emperours, as nowe lately practised by Romish prelates, especially in this realme of England and Scotland. Newly reuised and recognised, partly also augmented, and now the fourth time agayne published and recommended to the studious reader, by the author (through the helpe of Christ our Lord) Iohn Foxe, which desireth thee good reader to helpe him with thy prayer.; Actes and monuments Foxe, John, 1516-1587. 1583 (1583) STC 11225; ESTC S122167 3,159,793 882

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the proudest of you all shall repent this receiuing agayne of Antichrist and your tiranny that ye now shew agaynst the flocke of Christ. So was Doctor Taylour nowe condemned committed to the Clinke the keepers charged straitlye to keepe him for ye haue nowe an other maner of charge quoth the Lord Chauncellour then ye had before therefore looke ye take heed to it Whē the keeper brought him toward the prison y t people flocked about to gase vpō him vnto whō he sayd God be praysed good people I am come away from thē vndefiled will confirme the truth with my bloud So was he bestowed in the Clincke till it was toward night and thē he was remoued to the Counter by the Poultry When D. Taylour had lyen in the sayd Counter in the poultry a seuennight or there aboutes prisoner the fourth day of February Anno 1555. Edmund Boner Byshop of London with others came to the said Counter to disgrade him bringing with them such ornaments as do appertein to theyr massing Mūmery Now being come he called for the sayd D. Taylor to be brought vnto him the bishop being then in the chamber where the keeper of the Counter and his wife lay So D. Taylour was brought downe frō the chamber aboue that to the sayd Boner And att his comming the Bishop sayd Mayster Doctour I woulde you would remember your selfe and turn to your mother holy Church so may you do wel enough and I wil sue for your pardon Wherunto M. Taylor aunswered I would you and your felowes would turne to Christ. As for me I will not turne to Antichrist Well quoth the byshop I am come to disgrade you wherfore put on these vestures No quoth Doct. Taylour I will not Wilt thou not said the Bishop I shall make thee ere I goe Quoth Doct. Taylor you shal not by the grace of God Thē he charged him vpon his obedience to do it but he would not do it for him So he willed another to put them on his backe whē he was throughly furnished therwith he set his handes by his side walking vp and down and sayd how say you my Lord am I not a goodly foole how say you my maysters If I were in cheape should I not haue boyes enough to laugh at these apish toyes toying trumpery So the byshop scraped his fingers thūbes the crowne of his head and did the rest of such like deuilish obseruaunces At the last when he should haue geuen D. Taylour a stroke on the brest with his Crosierstaffe the Bishoppes Chapleine sayd my Lord strike him not for hee wyll sure strike agayne Yea by S. Peter will I quoth Doct. Taylour The cause is Christes and I were no good Christian if I would not fight in my Maysters quarrell So the byshop laid his curse vpon him but stroke him not Then D. Taylor sayd though you do curse me yet God doth blesse me D. Taylour 〈…〉 the ●ope and 〈…〉 of D. ●aylour I haue the witnes of my conscience that ye haue done me wrong and violence And yet I pray God if it be hys will forgeue you But from the tyranny of the Byshop of Rome his detestable enormities good Lord deliuer vs. And in going vp to his chamber he still sayd God deliuer me from you God deliuer me frō you And when he came vp he told Maister Bradford for they both lay in one chāber that he had made the Byshop of London afearde for sayth he laughingly his Chapleine gaue him counsel not to strike me with his Crosierstaffe for that I would strike agayne and by my troth sayde he rubbing his handes I made him beleue I would do so in deed The night after that he was disgraded his wyfe and his sonne Thomas resorted to him ●eepers of 〈◊〉 and were by the gētlenes of the keepers permitted to suppe with hym For this difference was euer found betweene the keepers of the byshops prisons and the keepers of the kinges prisons that the Bishops keepers were euer cruell blasphemous and tyrannous like theyr Maysters but the Keepers of the kinges prisons shewed for the most part as much fauor as they possible might So came Doctor Taylours wife his sonne and Iohn Hull his seruaunt to sup with him and at their comming in afore supper they kneeled downe and praied saying the Letany D Taylour ●lessed his 〈◊〉 D. Taylours 〈…〉 to 〈◊〉 sonne ●●rthy of al 〈◊〉 to be 〈◊〉 After supper walking vp and downe he gaue GOD thanks for his grace that had so called him and geuen him strength to abide by his holy worde and turning to hys sonne Thomas My deare sonne sayd he almighty God blesse thee geue thee his holy spirit to be a true seruaunt of Christ to learn his word and constantly to stand by his trueth all thy long life And my sonne see that thou feare God alwaies Flee from all sinne wicked liuing be vertuous serue God with dayly prayer and apply thy booke In any wise see thou be obedient to thy Mother loue her and serue her be ruled by her now in thy youth and folow her good counsell in all thinges Beware of lewd company of young men that feare not God but folowe theyr lewde lustes and vayne appitites Flye from Whooredome and hate all filthy liuing remembring that I thy father do dye in the defence of holy mariage And another day whē god shall blesse thee loue cherish the poore people coūt that thy chiefe riches is to be rich in almes and when thy mother is waxed old forsake her not but prouide for her to thy power and see that she lacke nothing For so will GOD blesse thee and geue the long life vpon earth and prosperity which I pray God to graunt thee Then turning to his wife D. Taylour councelleth hi● wyfe My deare wife quoth he continue stedfast in the feare and loue of God keepe your selfe vndefiled from theyr Popysh Idolatryes and superstitions I haue bene vnto you a faythfull yokefelow and so haue you bene vnto me for the which I pray GOD to reward you and doubt you not deare wife but God wyll reward it Now the time is come that I shall be taken from you you discharged of the wedlocke bond towards me therfore I will geue you my counsell what I thinke most expedient for you You are yet a childbearing woman and therfore it will be most conuenient for you to marry For doubtlesse you shall neuer be at a conuenient stay for your selfe and our poore children nor out of trouble tyll you be maryed Therfore as soone as God will prouide it marry with some honest faythfull man that feareth God Doubt you not God will prouide an honest husband for you he wil be a mercifull father to you and to my children whom I pray you bring vp in the feare of God in learning to the vttermost of your power and keep them from
them their office The aunswere of Luther to the place of S. Iohn Pasce Oues meas doeth teache what is to feede and what he ought to be that feedeth After thys Eckius came to the authoritie of the Councell of Constance alleging this amongst other articles De necessitate salutis est credere Rom. pontificem Occumenicum esse That is that it standeth vpon necessitie of our saluation to beleeue the Bishop of Rome to bee supreme heade of the Churche The authoritie of the councell of Constance alleging moreouer that in the same Councell was debated and discussed that the general Councel could not erre Whereunto Martin Luther againe did answere discreetly saying that al the articles which Iohn Hus dyd holde in that Councell were not condemned for hereticall with much other matter more Againe of what authoritie that Councel of Constance is to be estemed that he leaft to other mens iudgemēts This is most certain said he that no Councell hath such authoritie to make newe articles of faith Here M. Luther began to be cryed out of by Eckius and his complices for diminishing y e authority of generall Councels Although in deede he meane nothing lesse but euer labored to confirme the authority of the same yet was he called hereticke schismaticke and one of the Bohemes faction with many other termes moe of reprochful contumely Eckius then graunted the authoritie of the Apostles to be equal yet not to folow therby the authoritie of all Byshops therefore to be equall For betwene Apostleship and ministerie sayd he there is great difference To conclude Eckius in no case coulde abide that anye creature shoulde decline from any worde or sentence of the Popes decrees or the cōstitutions of the forefathers To this againe Luther answeared grounding him selfe vpon the place ad Gal. 2. where S. Paule speaking of the principall Apostles Gala. 2. sayeth And of them which seemed to be great what they were before it maketh no matter to mee for God accepteth no mans person neuerthelesse they that were of some reputation dyd auayle nothing at all c. Eckius to this said that as touching the authoritie of the Apostles Here is good doctrine of Eckius I trowe they were all chosen of Christ but were ordeyned Bishops of Saint Peter And whereas Luther brought in the constitution of the decree which sayeth Ne Romanus pontifex vniuersalis Episcopus nominetur c. Yea let not the Bishop also of Rome bee called vniuersal Bishop c. To this Eckius aunsweared on this sort that the Bishop of Rome ought not to be called vniuersal Bishop yet he may be called sayd he Byshop of the vniuersall church And thus much touching the question of the Popes supremacie From this matter they entred nexte to Purgatorie wherein Eckius kept no order The question of Purgatorie For whē they should haue disputed what power the Pope hath in Purgatorie Eckius turneth the scope of the question and prooueth that there is Purgatorie allegeth for him the place of Machab Luther leaning vpon the iudgement of Hierom affirmeth the booke of Machabees not to be Canonical 2. Mach. 12. Eckius againe replyeth the booke of Machabees to be of no lesse authoritie then the Gospels Also he alleged the place 1. Corinth 3. 1. Corint 3. Hee shall bee saued yet so as it were by fyre Moreouer he inferred the place of Math. 5. Agree thou with thine aduersary while thou art in the way with him Math. 5. least he commit thee into prison from whence thou shalt not escape tyll thou hast payed the vttermost farthing Psal. 65. c. To this he added also the place of the Psalmes We haue passed through the fire and water The question of Indulgences c. Howe these places be wrasted to purgatory let the reader discerne and iudge Then was inferred the question of indulgences wherof Eckius seemed to make but a toy a matter of nothing and so passed it ouer The question of Penaunce At last they came to the question of penance touching which matter the reasons of Eckius digressed much from the purpose which went about to proue that there be some maner of paynes of satisfaction whiche thing Luther dyd neuer deny But that for euery particuler offence such particuler penaunce is exacted of Gods iustice vpon the repētant sinner as is in mans power to remitte or l●lease as pleaseth him such penance neither Luther nor anye other true Christian did admit And thus haue ye the chiefe effect of this disputation betweene Luther and Eckius at Lypsia When Vldericus Zuinglius came to Tigurie Which was in the month of Iuly an 151● About the beginning of the same yeare 151● Uldericke Zuinglius came first to Zuricke and there began to teach Who in the 16. article in his booke of articles recordeth that Luther and both at one time one not knowing nor hearing of an other began to write against the popes pardons and indulgences Albeit if the time be rightly counted I suppose we shall finde that Luther began a yeare or two before Zuinglius Luther and Zuinglus began both at one tyme to write against the Pope Notwithstanding this doth Sledan testifie that in this present yeare when Sampson a Franciscan came with the popes pardons to Zurick Uldericke Zuinglius did withstand him and declared hys chaffer and pardons to be but a vayne seducing of the people to inueagle away their money Ex Sled Lib. 1. The next yeare ensuing Luthers bookes condemned at Louen and Colen Pope Leos Bull against Luther which was 1250. the Fryers and Doctours of Louane and also of Colen condemned y e bookes of Luther as hereticall Agaynst whom Luther agayne effectuously defended himselfe and charged them with obstinate violence and malicious impiety After this within fewe dayes flasheth out from Rome the thunderbolt of pope Leo against the said Luther notwithstanding he so humbly and obediently before had reuerenced both the person of the pope and agnised the authoritie of his see and also had dedicated vnto him Lutherus de libertate Christiana and bookes intituled De Christiana libertate that is of Christian libertye In which booke these two poyntes principally hee discusseth and prooueth 1 That a Christen man is free and Lorde of all thinges and subiect to none 2 That a Christen man is a dilligent vnderling and seruaunt of all men and to euery man subiect Moreouer in the same yeare he set out a defence of all his articles which the popes Bull had before condemned An other book also he wrote to the nobilitie of Germanie Lutherus ad Nobilitatem Germaniae Three wall or bulwarkes of the papistes in the which booke he impugneth and shaketh y e three principall walles of the papistes the first whereof is this 1 Where as y e papistes say that no temporal or prophane magistrate hath any power vpon the spiritualtie but
forenoone to perswade Luther simply and absolutely to submitte the iudgement of his writinges to the Emperor and Empire Sollicitat●ō to causa Luther to yelde He aunswered he would doe it and submit any thing they would haue hym so they grounded with authority of holy Scripture otherwise he woulde not consent to doe any thing For God sayd by his Prophet sayth he Trust ye not in Princes nor in the childrē of men in whom there is no health Also Cursed be he that trusteth in man And seeing that they did vrge him more vehemently he answered We ought to yeld no more to y e iudgement of men thē the word of God doth suffer So they departed and prayed him to aduise for better answere and sayd they would returne after dinner After dinner they returned exhorting him as before but in vayne Luthers cōdition They prayed him that at the least he woulde submit his writing to the iudgement of the nexte generall Councell Luther agreed therunto but with this conditiō that they themselues shoulde present the Articles collected out of his bookes to be submitted to the Councell in suche sort as notwithstanding the sentence awarded by the coūcell should be authorised by the Scripture and confirmed with the testimonyes of the same They then leauing Luther departed and reported to the Archbishop of Triers False witnesse that he had promised to submit his writinges in certayne articles to the next Councell in the meane space he woulde keepe silence which Luther neuer thought who neither with admonitions ne yet manaces could be induced to deny or submit his bookes to the iudgementes of menne he had so fortified hys cause wyth cleare and manifest authorityes of the Scripture vnlesse they could proue by sacred scripture and apparant reasōs to the contrary The prouidēce of God It chaunced then by the speciall grace of God that the Archbishop of Triers sent for Luther thinking presently to heare him And when he perceiued otherwise then Peutinger and the Doctour of Bade had tolde him he sayde that he would for no good but that he had heard himselfe speake for els he was euen now going to the Emperor to declare what the Doctors had reported Then the Archbishop entreated Luther and conferred with him very gently Familiar talke betweene the archbishop and Luther first remouing such as were presēt as well of the one side as of the other In this conference Luther concealed nothing from the Archbishop affirming that it was daūgerous to submit a matter of so great importaunce to them who after they had called hym vnder safeconduct attempting him with new commaundementes had condemned his opinion and approued the Popes Bull. Moreouer the Archbishop bidding a frend of his draw nigh required Luther to declare what remedy might bee ministred to helpe this Luthers prophecie out of Gamaliell Luther answered there was no better remedy then suche as Gamaliel alledged in the fyfte chapter of the Apostles as witnesseth S. Luke saying If this Councell or this woorke proceede of men Act. 5. it shall come to nought but if it be of God ye can not destroy it And so he desired that the Emperour might be aduertised to write the same to the Pope that he knewe certaynely if this his enterprise proceeded not of God it would be abolished within three yea within two yeares The Archbishop enquired of him what he would do if certayne articles were taken out of his bookes to be submitted to the generall councell Luthers cōstancie Luther aunswered so that they be not those which the counsell of Constance condemned The Archbyshoppe sayd I feare they will be the very same but what then Luther replyed I will not nor I cannot holde my peace of such for I am sure by theyr decrees the word of God was condemned therefore I wyll rather loose head and life then abandon the manifest word of my Lord God Then the Archbishop seing Luther would in no wise geue ouer the word of God to the iudgement of men gētly bade Luther farewell who at that instaunt prayed the Archbishop to entreat the Emperours maiesty to graunt him gracious leaue to depart He aunswered he woulde take order for him and speedely aduertise hym of the Emperours pleasure Within a small while after Iohn Eckius the Archbyshops officiall in the presence of the Emperours Secretary who had bene Maximilians Chauncellour sayde vnto Luther in his lodging Luther sent home from the counsel by the commaundement of the Emperour that since he had bene admonished diuersly of the Emperiall maiesty the Electors Princes and estates of the Empyre and that notwithstanding he woulde not returne to vnity and concord there remained that the Emperour as aduocate of the Catholique fayth should proceed further and that it was the Emperours ordinaunce that he should within 21. dayes returne boldly vnder safe conduct and be safely garded to the place whence he came so that in the meane while he styrred no commotion amonge the people in his iourney either in conference or by preaching· Luther hearing this aunswered very modestly christianly euen as it hath pleased God so is it come to passe the name of the Lord be blessed He sayde further he thanked most humbly the Emperors maiesty and all the Princes and estates of the Empyre that they had geuen to hym benigne and gracious audience and graunted safe conduct to come and returne Finally he sayd he desired none other of them then a reformation according to the sacred word of God and consonancy of holy Scriptures which effectually in his hart he desired Otherwise he was prest to suffer all chaūces for the Emperiall maiesty as life and death goodes fame and reproch reseruing nothing to himselfe but the onely word of God which he would constantly confesse to the latter end humbly recommending hym to the Emperours maiesty and to all the Princes and other estates of the sacred Empyre The morow after which was the 26. day of Aprill Luthers departure from Wormes after he had taken his leaue of such as supported him and other his beneuolent frends that often times visited hym and had broken hys fast at tenne of the clocke he departed from Wormes accompanyed with such as repayred thyther with him hauing space of time limited vnto him as is sayd for 21. dayes and no more The Emperours Heralde Casper Sturine folowed and ouertooke him at Oppenhime being commaunded by the Emperour to cōduct him safely home ¶ The vsuall prayer of Martin Luther COnfirme O God in vs that thou hast wrought and perfect the worke that thou hast begunne in vs to thy glory So be it Ex histor Phil. Melancth Ex Sledano Ex Parali Abb. Vrsperge ex Casp. Peucero MArtin Luther thus being dismissed of the Emperour according to the promise of his safeconduct made as you haue heard departed from Wormes toward his countrey the 26 of Aprill Luther in his iourney wryteth to
foorth his fruite so did it appeare by thys man Antichristians are those which are against Christ. For he daily seeing the glorye of God to be so blasphemed idolatrous religion so embraced and maintained that most false vsurped power of the Bishop of Rome so extolled was so greeued in conscience and troubled in his spirite that he could not be quiet till he did vtter his minde therein Wherefore dealing priuately with certaine of his frendes he did plainely open and disclose howe blasphemously and abhominably God was dishonoured his worde contemned and hys people whom he so dearely bought were by blinde guides caried headlong to euerlasting damnation and therefore hee coulde no longer endure but muste needes and would vtter theyr abhominations and for his owne parte for the testimonie of his conscience and for the defence of Gods true religion The godly zeale of Tho. Benet would yeelde hymself moste patiently as neare as God woulde geue him grace to die and to shedde hys bloude therein alleaging that his death shoulde be more profitable to the Churche of God and for the edifying of his people then his life shuld be To whose perswasions when hys friendes had yeelded they promysed to pray to God for hym that hee myght be strong in the cause and continue a faithfull souldiour to the ende Which done he gaue order for the bestowing of such bookes as he had and very shortlye after in the moneth of October hee wrote his minde in certaine scrolles of Paper whyche in secreate maner he set vp vpon the doores of the Cathedrall churche of the Citie in which was wrytten The Pope is Antichrist and we ought to worshippe God onely The Pope is Antichrist and no Saintes These bils being found there was no smal adde and no litle search made for the inquiry of the heretike that should set vp these bils Benet setteth vp billes against the Pope and the Maior his officers were not so busie to make searches to find this heretike but the bishop and all his doctors were as hote as coales enkindled as though they had bene stong w t a sort of waspes Wherefore to kepe y e people in their former blindnes order was taken that the doctors should in hast vp to the pulpit euery day and confute this heresie Neuerthelesse this Thom. Benet keping his own doings in secret went the sonday folowing to the cathedral church to the Sermon and by chaunce sate downe by 2. men which were the busiest in al the city in seking searching for this heretike and they beholding this Benet sayd the one to the other Surely thys fellowe by all likelyhoode is the heretike that hath set vp the billes and it is good to examine him Benet almost tak● in the church Neuertheles whē they had wel behelde him and saw the quiet and sober behauiour of the man his attentiuenes to the preacher his godlinesse in the Church being alwayes occupied in hys Booke which was a Testament in the Latine tongue were astonied and had no power to speake vnto him The storyes a little vary touching the taking of Benet but departed left hym reading in his booke As touching this poynte of Benets behauior in the Church I finde the reportes of some other a litle to vary and yet not much contrary one to the other For in receiuing the letters and wrytings of a certain minister whych at the same time was present at the doynge hereof in Exeter thus I finde moreouer added concerning the behauiour of this Thomas Benet in the Church At that time sayth he as I remember doct Moreman Crispin Caseley wyth suche other bare the swinge there Beside these were there also preachers there Doctors friers in Exeter one Doctour Bascauild an vnlerned doctor God knoweth and one D. Dauid as wel learned as he both Gray friers and doctor I know not who a Blacke frier not much inferiour vnto them Gregory Bassed Fryer of Exeter Moreouer there was one Bacheler of Diuinitie a Gray frier named Gregory Bassed in deede learned more then they all but as blinde and superstitious as he whych was most Whych Gregorie not long before was reuolted from the way of righteousnes to the way of Beliall for in Bristowe sayth the author he lay in prison long almost famished for hauing a booke of M. Luther called his questions which he a long time priuily had studied for teaching of youth a certaine Cathechisme To be shorte the braines of the Canons and Priests the officers and commons of that Citie were very earnestly busied howe or by what meanes suche an enormious heretique whyche had pricked vp those billes might be espied and knowen but it was long first At last the Priestes founde out a toye to curse him what soeuer he were with booke bel and candle which curse at that day seemed most fearefull and terrible The maner of the curse was after this sort One of the Priestes apparelled all in white ascended vp into the pulpit The priestes curse they cannot tell whom The other rabblement wyth certaine of the two orders of Friers and certaine superstitious Monks of S. Nicholas house standing round about and the Crosse as the custome was being holdē vp with holy candles of waxe fixed to the same he began his sermon w t this Theame of Iosue Est blasphemia in Castris There is blasphemie in the armie and so made a long protestation but not so long as tedious and superstitious and so concluded that that foule and abominable heretike which had put vp such blasphemous billes was for that his blasphemie damnably accursed and besought God our Lady S. Peter Patrone of that church with all the holy companie of martyrs confessors and virgines that it might be knowen what hereticke had put vp such blasphemous billes that Gods people might auoide the vengeance The maner of the cursing of the sayd Benet was maruelous to beholde for as muche as at that time there was fewe or none The manner of the popes blacke curse with booke bell and candle vnlesse a Sherman or two whose houses I well remember were searched for billes at that time and for bookes that knew any thing of Gods matters or how God doeth blesse theyr curses in such cases Then sayde the Prelate by the authoritie of God the father almighty and of the blessed virgin Mary of S. Peter and Paule and of the holy Saints we excommunicate we vtterly curse and banne commit and deliuer to the deuill of hell him or her what soeuer he or shee be that haue in spite of God and of S. Peter whose church this is in spite of all holy saintes and in spite of our most holy father the Pope Gods vicare heere in earth Here is colde charitye and in spite of the reuerend father in God Iohn our Diocesane and the worshipfull Canons Maisters and Priestes and Clarkes which serue God daily in this Cathedrall Church
thus Steph. Winchester takyng his leane biddyng the Pope farewell endeth with a frēdely exhortatiō Steph. Wint. taketh his vale of the Pope but not his ultimum vale willyng him to be wise circumspect not to striue stubburnely agaynst the truth The light of the Gospell sayth he so spreadeth his beames in all mens eyes y t the works of the Gospell be knowne the mysteries of Christes doctrine are opened both learned and vnlearned men women beyng Englishmen borne do see perceiue that they haue nothyng to doe with Rome nor with the Byshop of Rome but that euery Prince in his owne dominion is to be taken and accepted as a Uicare of God Uicegerent of Christ in his owne boūdes And therfore seyng this order is taken of God The office of teaching The office of of Ruling that one in the Church should beare the office of teachyng an other should beare y e office of rulyng which office is onely limited to princes he exhorteth him to consider the truth and to folow the same wherein consisteth our true and speciall obedience c. To this booke of Stephen Winchester De obedientia we will adioyne for good felowshyp y e Preface also of Edmund Boner Archdeacō then of Leycester prefixed before the same to the entēt that the reader seyng the iudgemētes of these men as they were then agayne the sodeine mutation afterward of the sayd parties to the cōtrary opiniō may learne thereby what vayne glory and pompe of this world cā worke in the frayle nature of man where Gods grace lacketh to susteine The Preface of Boner before the sayd booke of Winchester De obedientia proceedeth thus in effect as foloweth ¶ The Preface of Edmund Boner Archdeacon of Leycester prefixed before Stephen Gardiners booke De obedientia FOr asmuch as some there be no doubt as the iudgements of men be alwaies variable which thinke the controuersie which is betweene the Kings roiall Maiestie Boners preface be●ore Winchesters booke of obedience and the Bishop of Rome consisteth in this point for that his Maiestie hath taken the most excellent and most vertuous Lady Anne to wife which in very deede is farre otherwise and nothing so to the intente therefore that all true harty fauourers of the Gospell of Christ Queene Anne which hate not but loue the truth may the more fully vnderstand the chiefe point of the controuersie and because they shall not be ignoraunt what is the whole voice and resolute determination of the best and greatest learned Bishops with all the nobles and commons of England not only in that cause of Matrimony but also in defending the doctrine of the Gospell The doctrine of the Gospell heere shall be published the Oration of the Bishop of Winchester a man excellently learned in all kinde of learning entituled DE VERA OBEDIENTIA that is See how these clawbackes can clung togeather in truth and in false hood and al to fashiō thēselues to the world and the time present concerning true obedience But as touching this Bishops worthy praises there shall be nothing spoken of me at this time not only because they are infinite but because they are farre better knowne to all Christendome then becommeth me heere to make rehearsall And as for the Oration it selfe which as it is most learned so it is most elegant to what purpose should I make any words of it seeing it praiseth it selfe inough and seeing good wine needeth no tauerne bushe to vtter it But yet in this Oration whosoeuer thou art most gentle Reader thou shalt beside other matters see it notably and learnedly handled of what importaunce and how inuincible the power and excellencie of Gods truth is which as it may now and then be pressed of the enemies so it can not possibly be oppressed and darkened after such sorte but it sheweth it selfe againe at length Mens traditons The contents of Winchesters booke De vera obedientia The kinges mariage with Queene Anne more glorious and more welcome Thou shalt see also touching obedience that it is subiect to truth and what is to be iudged true obedience Besides this of mens traditions which for the most parte be most repugnaunt against the truth of Gods law And there by the way he speaketh of the Kings said highnes mariage which by the ripe iudgemente authoritie and priuiledge of the most and principall Vniuersities of the world and then with the consent of the whole Church of England Supreme head he contracted with the most excellent and most noble Lady Queene Anne After that touching the Kings Maiesties title as perteining to the supreme head of the Church of England Lastly of all The Bishop of Roomes pretensed supremacy of the false pretenced supremacie of the Bishop of Rome in the Realme of England most iustly abrogated and how all other Byshops being felowlike to him in their function yea and in some points aboue him within their owne prouinces were before time bound to the King by their othe But be thou most surely perswaded of this good Reader that the Bishop of Rome if there were no cause else but onely this mariage Bo●ner knewe well what morsell would best please his father of Rome that mony bribes would soone stoppe his mouthe would easely content himselfe specially hauing some good morsell or other geuen him to chaw vpon But when he seeth so mighty a King being a right vertuous and a great learned Prince so sincerely and so hartely fauour the Gospell of Christ and perceiueth the yearely and great pray ye so large a pray that it came to as much almost as all the Kings reuenues snapped out of hys hands and that he can no longer exercise his tyranny in the Kings Maies●ies Realme * Seeing thou knewest the Pope to be such a cruell tirant why then wouldest thou against thy knowledge become his slaughter man alas heeretofore too cruell and bitter nor make lawes as he hath done many to the contumelie and reproch of the Maiestie of God which is euident that he hath done in time past vnder the title of the Catholicke Church and the authoritie of Peter and Paule when notwithstanding he was a very rauening Wolfe dressed in sheepes clothing calling himselfe the seruaunt of seruaunts to the great damage of the Christen common wealth heere heere began all the mischiefe thereof rose these discords these deadly malices and so great and terrible bustling For if it were not thus could any man beleeue that this Iuppiter of Olympus which falsely hath arrogated vnto himselfe an absolute power without controlment woulde haue wrought so diligently by all meanes possible to stirre vp all other Kings and Princes so traiterously against this so good and godly and so true a Gospellike Prince as he hath done Neyther let it moue thee gentle Reader that Winchester did not before now apply to this opinion for he himselfe in this Oration sheweth
thou art sent for No my Lord quoth he No quoth the Byshop That is a meruailous thing Forsooth my Lord quoth he vnles it be for a certaine search made of late in Windsore I cannot tell wherfore it should be Then thou knowest the matter well enough quoth the Bishop and takyng vp a quire of the Concordance in his hand sayd Understandest thou the Latine tongue No my Lord quoth he but simply No quoth the Bishop And with that spake M. Wrisley then secretary to the king he saith but simply I cannot tell quoth the B. but the booke is translated worde for word out of the Latin Concordaunce and so began to declare to the rest of the Counsaile the nature of a Concordance and how it was first compiled in Latin by the great diligence of the learned men for the ease of preachers concluding with this reason that if such a booke should goe foorth in English it would destroy the Latin tongue And so casting down the quire again he reached another booke which was the booke of Esay the prophet and turnyng to the last chap. gaue the booke to Marbecke and asked hym who had written the note in the margent The other looking vpon it said forsooth my Lord I wrote it Read it quoth the B. Then he read it thus Heauen is my seate and the earth is my footestoole Nay quoth the B. read it as thou hadst written it Then shall I read it wrong quoth he for I had written it false How hadst thou written it quoth y e bishop I had written it quoth he thus Heauen is my seat and the earth is not my footestoole Yea mary quoth the Bishop that was thy meanyng No my Lord quoth he it was but an ouersight in writyng for as your Lordshippe seeth this worde Not is blotted out At this tyme came other matters into the Counsaile so that Marbecke was had out to the next chamber And when he had stood there a while one of the Counsaile named sir Anthony Wingfield Captaine of the Garde came foorth and callyng for Marbecke committed him to one Belson of the gard saying vnto him on this wise Take this man and haue him to the Marshalsey and tell the keeper that it is the Counsailes pleasure that he shall entreat him gently And if hee haue any mony in his purse as I think he hath not much take you it from him left the prisoners do take it and minister it vnto him as he shall haue need And so the messenger departed with Marbecke to the Marshalsey and dyd his commission most faithfully and truly both to the keper and to the prisoner as he was commanded The second examination of Marbecke before the Bishops Gentleman in the Marshalsey ON the next day which was Tuesday by 8. of the clock in the morning there came one of the B. of Winchesters Gentlemen into the Marshalsey whose mā brought after him two great books vnder his arme finding Marbecke walking vp and downe in the Chappell demanded of the keeper why he was not in irons I had no such cōmaundement quoth he for the messenger which brought hym yesternight from the Counsaile sayd It was theyr pleasure he should he gētly vsed My Lord quoth the gentleman will not be content with you and so takyng the bookes of his man called for a chamber vp to the which he caried the prisoner and casting the bookes from him vpon a bed sate him downe and said Marbecke my Lord doth fauour thee well for certaine good qualities thou hast and hath sent me hither to admonish thee to beware and take heed least thou cast away thy selfe wilfully If thou wylt be plaine thou shalt doe thy selfe much good if not thou shalt do thy selfe much harme I assure thee my Lord lamenteth thy case for as much as he hath alwayes hearde good report of thee wherfore now see to thy selfe and play the wise man Thou art acquainted with a great sort of heretikes as Hobby and Heynes with other mo knowest much of their secrets if thou wilt nowe open them at my Lords request he will procure thy deliueraunce out of hand and preferre thee to better liuing Alas sir quoth he what secretes doe I knowe I am but a poore man and was neuer worthy to be so conuersant eyther with M. Hobby or M. Heynes to know any part of their myndes Wel quoth the Gentleman make it not so strange for my lord doth know wel inough in what estimation they had both thee and Anth. Person for your religion Of Anth. Person quoth he I can say nothyng for I neuer saw him with them in all my lyfe And as for my selfe I can not denye but that they haue alwayes I thanke them taken me for an honest poore man and shewed me much kindnes but as for their secrets they were to wise to commit them to any such as I am Peraduenture quoth the Gentleman thou fearest to vtter any thing of them Marbecke cannot be perswaded to 〈…〉 because they were thy frends lest they hearing therof might hereafter withdraw their frendship from thee which thou nedest not to feare I warrant thee for they are sure enough and neuer like to pleasure thee more ner no man els With that the water stoode in Marbeckes eyes Why weepest thou quoth the Gentleman Oh sir quoth he I pray you pardon me these men haue done me good wherfore I beseech the liuing God to comfort them as I would be comforted my selfe Well quoth the Gentleman I perceiue thou wilt play the foole and then he opened one of the bookes and asked him if he vnderstood any Latine But a little sir quoth he How is it then quoth the gentleman that thou hast translated thy booke out of the latin Concordance yet vnderstandest not the tongue I will tell you quoth he In my youth I learned the principles of my Grammar wherby I haue some vnderstāding therin though it be very smal Then the gentleman began to try him in the latin Concordance English Bible which he had brought and when he had so done was satisfied he called vp his man to fet away the bookes so departed leauing Marbecke alone in the chamber the dore fast shut vnto him About two houres after the Gentleman came againe with a sheet of paper folded in his hand Another talke betweene Winchesters gentleman and Marbecke sate him down vpon the beds side as before sayd by my troth Marbecke my lord seeth so much wilfulnes in thee that he saith it is pity to do thee good When wast thou last w t Haynes Forsooth quoth he about a three weekes agoe I was at dinner with him And what talke quoth the Gentleman had he at his boord I cā not tel now quoth he No quoth y e gentleman thou art not so dull witted to forget a thyng in so short space Yes sir quoth he such familiar talk as mē
Turner of Magdalen Colledg in Oxford and after of Windsore a godly lerned 〈◊〉 and a ●●od prea●●er who in Queene Maryes tyme fled into Germanye and there dyed my frende M. Turner chaunced to steale vpon me vnwares seeing me wryting out the Bible asked me what I meant therby And when I had told him the cause Tush quoth he thou goest about a vain and tedious labour But this were a profitable worke for thee to set out a Concordance in English A Concordance sayde I what is that Then he tolde me it was a booke to finde out any word in the whole Bible by the letter that there was such a one in Latin already Then I tolde him I had no learning to goe about such a thing Enough quoth he for that mater for it requireth not so much learning as diligence And seeing thou art so painful a man and one that cannot be vnoccupied it wer a goodly exercise for thee And this my Lord is all the instruction that euer I had before or after of any man What is that Turner quoth the B. of Salis. Mary quoth D May an honest learned man and a Bacheler of Diuinitie and sometime a felow in Magdalene colledge in Oxford Howe couldest thou quoth the B. of Salisb. with thys instruction bring it to thys order and forme as it is I borrowed a Latine Concordance quoth he and began to practise my wit and at last wyth great labor and diligence brought it into this order as your lordship doth see A good wit with diligence quoth the bysh of Harford may bring hard things to passe It is great pitie quoth the Bish. of Ely he had not the Latine toung So it is quoth D. May. Yet can not I beleue quoth the Bishop of Salisb. that he hath done any more in thys worke then wrytten it out after some other that is learned My Lordes quoth Marbecke I shall beseech you all to pardon me what I shall say Marbeckes wordes to the Bishops and graunt to my request if it shall seeme good vnto you Say what thou wilt quoth the Byshops I do maruaile greatly wherfore I should be so much examined for this booke whether I haue committed any offence in doing of it or no If I haue then were I loathe any other to be molested or punyshed for my faulte Therefore to cleare all men in this matter thys is my request that ye wil trie me in the rest of the boke y t is vndon Ye see that I am yet but in the letter L. Beginning now at M. take out what word ye wil of that letter so in euery letter folowing and geue me the wordes in a pece of paper and set me in a place alone where it shall please you wyth inke and paper the English Bible and the Latine concordance and if I bring you not these wordes wrytten in the same order forme that the rest before is then was it not I that did it but some other By my trouth Marbecke quoth the Byshop of Elye that is honestly spokē and then shalt thou bring many out of suspition That he shal quoth they all Then they badde Doct. Oking draw out such wordes as he thought best in a peece of paper and so rose vp and in the meane time fel into other familiar talke with Marbecke for the Byshop of Ely and Harford both were acquainted w t hym afore and his frendes so farre as they durst who perceiuing the Bishops so pleasauntly disposed besought them to tel hym in what daunger he stoode The bishops 〈◊〉 Salisbury 〈◊〉 Harford 〈◊〉 wel the 〈◊〉 of ●●●becke Shal I tell thee Marbecke quoth the Byshop of Sarum Thou art in better case then anye of thy felowes of whom there be some would geue 40 li to be in no worse case then thou art whose sayinges the other affirmed Then came D. Oking wyth the wordes hee had wrytten while the Byshops were perusing them ouer Doctour Oking sayd to Marbecke very frendly on thys wise D. Skippes comfortable wordes to Marbecke Good M. Marbecke make hast for the sooner ye haue done the sooner ye shall be deliuered And as the Byshops were going away the bishop of Harforde tooke Marbecke a litle aside and enformed him of a word whych D. Oking had written false and also to comfort him sayd Feare not there can no law condemne you for any thing that ye haue done for if ye had wrytten a 1000. heresies so longe as they be not your sayings nor your opiniōs the law cānot hurt you And so went they all with the Byshop of Sarum to dinner who taking the pore man with them who dined in the hall at the Stewardes borde and beside that had wine and meate sent downe from the bishops table When dinner was done the Bishoppe of Sarum came downe into the Hall commaunding inke and paper to be geuen to Marbecke and the 2. bookes to one of his men to go with him at whose going he demanded of the Byshop what time hys Lordship would appoynt him to doe it in Against to morrowe this time quoth the Byshop whyche was about 2. of the clocke and so departed Marbecke now being in his prison chamber fel to his busines so applied the thing that by the nexte day when the Bishop sent for him againe he had written so much in the same order forme hee had done the rest before A false dissembling Byshop as conteined iij. sheetes of paper and more The whych when he had deliuered to the Bishop of Sarum Doc. Oking standing by he marueiled and sayd Well Marbecke thou hast now put me out of all doubt I assure thee quoth hee putting vp the paper into his bosome the king shal see this or I be 24. houres elder but he dissembled euery worde and thought nothing lesse then so For afterwarde the matter being come to light and knowen to his grace what a boke the poore man had begon which the Byshops woulde not suffer him to finish the king saide he was better occupyed then they that tooke it from him So Marbecke departed from the byshop of Sarum to prison againe and heard no more of hys booke The 5. examination of Marbecke before D. Oking and M. Knight Secretary to the Bishop of Winchester in S. Mary Ouers Church VPon Whitsonday following at after noone The 5. examination of Marbecke was Marbecke sent for once againe to S. Mary Ouers where he found D. Oking with an other gentleman in a gowne of Damaske with a cheyne of gold about his neck no mo in all the churche but they two sitting together in one of the stalles their backes toward the church dore lookyng vpon an Epistle of M. Iohn Caluins whiche Marbecke had written out And when they sawe the prisoner come they rose and had him vp to a side alter leauing his keeper in the body of the church alone Nowe as soone as Marbecke saw the face of
bishop of Rome should sodainly arriue in some place of England eyther driuen by tempest or of purpose to do hurt ye should see such order kept by firing of their Becons as hath already bene written vnto you by our letters to repulse the same in so good aray as you can as we do not doubt but you will for the safegard of your countrey so that the enemy shall haue little ioy of his comming and for that purpose you shall see diligently that men haue horse harnesse and other furniture of weapon ready according to the Statutes and good orders of the realme and the kings maiesties commandements And so for this tyme ye may depart What zealous care was in this yong kyng and in the L. Protector his vncle T●e singular zeale of king Edward and his Vncle in reforming religion concerning reformatiō of Christes Church and sincere religion by these Iniunctions letters precepts and exhortations as well to the bishops as to y e Iustices of the realme aboue premised it may right well appeare Wherby we haue to note not so much the careful diligence of the king and his learned counsaile as the lingering slacknes and drawing backe on the other side of diuers the said Iustices and Lawyers but especially of Bishops The slacknes of Popish Curates in furthering the kinges proceedinges and old popish curates by whose cloked contempt wilfull winkyng and stubburne disobedience the booke of common prayer was long after the publishing therof eyther not knowen at all or els very irreuerently vsed thoroughout many places of this realme Which when y e king by complaint of diuers perfectly vnderstood beyng not a little agreued to see the godly agrement of the learned the willyng consent of the Parliament and his graces owne zealous desire to take so small effect among his subiects decreed presently with the aduise of his whole Counsaile agayne to write vnto all the bishops of his realme for spedy and diligent redresse therin willing and commanding them therby that as well they themselues should thenceforth haue a more speciall regard to the due executiō of the premisses as also that all others within their seuerall precincts and iurisdiction should by their good instructions willing example be the more oftener and with better deuotion mooued to vse and frequent the same As further appeareth by the contents of hys letter here ensuyng ¶ Another letter directed by the King and hys Counsaile to Boner Bish. of London partly rebuking hym of negligence partly chargyng hym to see to the better settyng out of the seruice booke within his Diocesse RIght reuerend father in God right trusty and welbeloued we greete you well An other letter to Boner Byshop of London and where as after great and serious debating and long conference of the bishops and other graue and well learned men in the holy Scriptures one vniforme order for common prayers and administration of the Sacramentes hath bene and is most godly set forth not only by the common agreement and full assent of the nobilitie and Commons of the late Session of our late Parliament but also by the lyke assent of the bishops in the same Parliament and of all others the learned m● of this our realme in their Synodes and conuocations prouinciall Like as it was much to our comfort to vnderstand the godly trauaile then diligently willingly taken for the true openyng of things mentioned in the sayd booke whereby the true seruice and honour of almighty God and the right ministration of the Sacraments beyng well and sincerely set forth accordyng to the Scriptures vse of the primatiue church much idolatry vayne superstition great and slanderous abuses be taken away so it is no small occasion of sorow vnto vs to vnderstand by the complaints of many that our sayd booke so much traueled for also sincerely set forth as is aforesaid remayneth in many places of this our realme eyther not knowen at all or not vsed or at the least if it be vsed very seldome The kinges booke neglected and that in such light and irreuerent sort as the people in many places either haue herd nothing or if they heare they neither vnderstand nor haue that spirituall delectation in the same that to good christians appertaineth The fault wherof lyke as we must of reason impute to you and other of your vocation called by God thorough our appointment to haue due respect to this and such lyke matters so consideryng that by these and such like occasions our louyng subiectes rema●ne yet still in their old blyndnes and superstitious errors and in some places in an irreligious forgetfulnes of God wherby his wrath may be prouoked vpon vs and them and remembring with all that amongst other cures committed to our princely charge we thinke this the greatest to see the glory and true seruice of hym maintained extolled by whose clemency we knowledge our selues to haue all that we haue we could not but by aduise and consent of our deerest vncle Edward duke of Somerset gouernour of our person and protector of our realme dominions and subiects and the rest of our priuy counsaile Anno 1549. admonish you of the premisses Wherein as it had bene your office to haue vsed an earnest diligence and to haue preferred the same in all places within your Diocesse as the case required so haue we thought good to pray and require you Boners ne●●ligence noted and neuerthelesse straightly to charge and commaund you that from henceforth ye haue an earnest and speciall regard to the reduce of these things so as the Curates may do their dueties more often and in more reuerent sort the people be occasioned by the good aduises and examples of your selfe your Chauncellor Archdeacons and other inferior ministers to come with oftener and more deuotiō to their sayd common prayers to geue thanks to God and to be pertakers of the most holy Communion Wherein shewyng your selfe diligent and geuyng good example in your owne person you shall both discharge your duty to the great pastor to whom we all haue to accompt and also do vs good seruice and on the other side if we shall hereafter these our letters and commaundement notwithstandyng haue eftsoones complaint and finde the lyke faults in your dioces we shall haue iust cause to impute the fault thereof and of all that ensue thereof vnto you and consequently be occasioned therby to see otherwyse to the redresse of these things wherof we would be sory And therfore we do eftsoones charge and commaund you vpon your allegiance to loke well vpon your duety herein as ye tender our pleasure Geuen vnder our signet at our Manor of Richmond the 23. of Iuly the 3. yeare of our raigne 1549. The B. of London among the rest of the bishops receiuyng these letters did as alwayes tofore in outward shew willingly accept the same and therfore immediately with the sayd letters directed this his precept
it musty our selues yet must we beleue it is sweete and then pay them well for theyr so saying and all is safe But I might saye agayne What sir be ye wiser then Christ and God hys father or the holy Ghost What wiser then the Prophetes and the holy Apostles and all the holye Martyrs I pray you sir where had you your high learning It is higher thē God being in heauen is able to teache or haue ye set it lower in hell then euer Christ durst to venter For it is some straunge learning belike that Christ nor his Apostles could neuer attaine to the knowledge of it But vayne men are neuer without some shift For peraduenture they will not be ashamed to saye that Christ cōming on his fathers message did forget half his errād by the way For I dare say the greater halfe of theyr ceremonyes were neuer commaunded by Christ Yea I doubt it would bee hard to finde one in the Churche perfectly as hee lefte so Romishly hath Antichrist turned the church vpsidedown for lukers sake Beloued Mother as I oftentymes sayde vnto you euen so now I beseeeche you from my very hart roote in Christ to consider your owne soules health is offered you doe not cast it off we haue not long time here Why should we deceiue our selues either for ease of our fleshe or for the winning of this worldes treasure I know that some will say to you why should wee condemne our fathers that liued thus God forbid that wee shoulde condemne any that did according to their knowledge But let vs take heede that they condemne not vs for if they had hearde the word as we haue and had bene warned as wee haue it is to bee thought that they would more thankefully haue receaued it thē we do The fathers that heard no better are not to be condemned but rather will condemne vs that heare and receaue it not yea they were more faythfull in that they knewe then many now are Therefore they shall be our condemnation if wee doe not embrace this grace offered vs. And surely looke how many of them God will accept and saue those shall wee neuer see nor haue any part among them for our disobedience is more great then their ignoraunce Wherefore if we will meete our fathers in blisse and ioye let vs not refuse his mercye offered more largely to vs then to them euen according to Christes promise which sayd after such great ignoraunce as to seek hym from country to country and finde him not Yet shall the Gospel sayth he be preached in all the world and then shall the ende come And now let vs knowe the time of our visitation and not turne backe agayne seeing we are once deliuered for surely God will not beare it at our handes to turne backeward Gods visitation not to be refused Oh remember Lots life God must needes punish out of hand our shamefull backesliding eyther with induration and hardnes of hart so that they shall persecute his Churche and true seruauntes or els reward it with open vengeaunce and plagues And therefore good mother accept this my simple letter as a fruite of my loue obedience to you Would God we might be so knitte in fayth trust in Gods word and promises here in this lyfe as wee myght together enioye the blisse and consolation of eternall lyfe which I desire and seeke aboue all worldly treasure as ye partly know If I woulde seeke the good will of men contrarye to my conscience I could make some my frendes whiche now peraduenture are ielous ouer me amisse Experience how Gods Martyrs seeke not the world But I thanke God let them waye the matter betweene God and theyr consciences and they haue no iust cause so to do neuerthelesse I would they would yet refrain and put theyr matter and myne into the euen ballaunce of gods most holy worde there to be wayed by the mynde of the holye Ghost expressed vnto vs by the holy Patriarckes and Prophetes and by Iesus Christ our onely Sauiour and Mediatour and by his holy Apostles and then I doubt not but our matter shall be ended with peace and ioyfulnes of hart whiche God graunt vs for his mercies sake Amen Your owne childe Nicholas Shetterden prisoner for the trueth in Westgate 1555. A letter to his brother VVater Sheterden My vncle hath bene with me made great promises and great threates also I Wishe you healthe in Christe true knowledge of hys word a faithful obedient hart vnto y e same It is shewed me my brother y t yee willed me by a letter made to a frend of yours to perswade with me that I shoulde be ruled by mine Uncle which saith he wil bestow his goods very largely vpon me If I shoulde not stand to highe in mine own conceipt But my good brother I trust ye doe not iudge so euill of me that I should haue a fayth to sell for money For though he or you were able to geue me the treasure of the whole countrey yet I thanke my Lorde God I do iudge it but an heape of dongue in respecte of y e treasure hid w tin yet I do esteme a buckle of your shoe if it come with good wil. And for to be counselled and ruled by him or you or any other my frends I do not neither haue refused it if they require no more of me then my power that which belongeth to mortall men But if they require of me any thing which pertayneth to God onely there is neither high nor low frend nor foe I trust in God shall get it of me nor yet the Aungels in heauen For though I be not learned as the vayne men of the world call learning yet I thanke my Lorde God So should he haue 2. bodyes at once one glorified and an other mortall No order nor reason in the popes doctrine I haue learned out of Gods booke to know God from his creatures and to know Christ from hys sacramentes and to put a difference betweene the merites of Christes Passion and hys Supper a difference betwene y e water of Baptisme and the holy Ghost and not to mixe and mingle all thinges confusely together so that if one aske me a question or a reason of my fayth I must say thus I beleeue as holy Church beleeueth if he aske me what is the order of that fayth I should be so ignoraunt that I could not discerne God from his creatures nor Christ from his sacramentes If I should so monstrously vtter my faythe that I were not able to iudge betweene Christes byrth and his buriall nor which were first of his mortification and hys glorification who would beleue that my faith wer sound For some affirme that Christ did not geue to his Apostles a mortall and a passible bodye but an immortall glorified body so that he should haue a glorified bodye before his death so his glorification was before