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to_o be_v beguile_v etc._n etc._n we_o must_v simple_o and_o without_o all_o ambyguity_n believe_v the_o word_n of_o christ_n say_v this_o be_v my_o body_n etc._n etc._n o_o how_o many_o say_v now_o adays_o i_o will_v see_v he_o i_o will_v behold_v his_o visage_n his_o vestment_n etc._n etc._n but_o he_o do_v more_o than_o this_o for_o he_o give_v himself_o not_o only_o to_o be_v see_v but_o to_o be_v touch_v also_o handle_v and_o eat_v by_o thou_o nor_o only_o do_v the_o father_n affirm_v so_o asseverant_o that_o it_o be_v the_o true_a natural_a body_n of_o christ_n though_o it_o appear_v bread_n in_o form_n and_o shape_n and_o that_o we_o must_v not_o believe_v our_o sense_n herein_o but_o do_v deny_v express_o that_o it_o be_v bread_n after_o the_o word_n of_o consecration_n whereof_o you_o hear_v long_o discourse_v before_o out_o of_o s._n ambrose_n in_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr sacramentis_fw-la and_o de_fw-fr initiandis_fw-la before_o the_o word_n of_o initiand_n consecration_n it_o 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