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A42757 Aarons rod blossoming, or, The divine ordinance of church-government vindicated so as the present Erastian controversie concerning the distinction of civill and ecclesiasticall government, excommunication, and suspension, is fully debated and discussed, from the holy scripture, from the Jewish and Christian antiquities, from the consent of latter writers, from the true nature and rights of magistracy, and from the groundlesnesse of the chief objections made against the Presbyteriall government in point of a domineering arbitrary unlimited power / by George Gillespie ... Gillespie, George, 1613-1648. 1646 (1646) Wing G744; ESTC R177416 512,720 654

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to_o be_v compile_v before_o the_o year_n of_o 〈◊〉_d 367_o nor_o finish_v before_o the_o year_n of_o christ_n 500_o the_o jerusalem_n talmud_n can_v pretend_v to_o no_o great_a antiquity_n than_o the_o year_n of_o christ_n 230._o so_o that_o both_o be_v collect_v long_o after_o the_o dissolution_n of_o the_o sanhedrin_n and_o government_n of_o the_o jew_n no_o marvel_n therefore_o if_o these_o decline_a time_n do_v wear_v out_o the_o memory_n of_o some_o part_n of_o their_o former_a government_n 3._o object_n the_o king_n be_v by_o god_n appointment_n entrust_v with_o the_o custody_n of_o the_o book_n of_o the_o law_n deut._n 17._o 18._o 2_o king_n 11._o 12._o answ._n 1._o the_o principal_a charge_n of_o the_o custody_n of_o the_o law_n be_v commit_v to_o the_o priest_n and_o levite_n deut._n 31._o 9_o 24_o 25_o 26._o of_o the_o king_n it_o be_v only_o say_v deut._n 17._o 18._o that_o he_o shall_v write_v he_o a_o copy_n of_o this_o law_n in_o a_o book_n out_o of_o that_o which_o be_v 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signification_n and_o be_v a_o type_n of_o christ_n and_o communion_n with_o he_o it_o be_v worthy_a of_o observation_n that_o by_o the_o chaldee_n paraphrase_n exod._n 12._o 43._o any_o israelite_n who_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d a_o apostate_n may_v not_o eat_v of_o the_o passeover_n again_o verse_n 48._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d &_o omnis_fw-la prophanus_fw-la so_o the_o latin_a interpreter_n of_o onkelos_n and_o no_o profane_a person_n shall_v eat_v of_o it_o the_o word_n be_v use_v not_o only_o of_o a_o heathen_a but_o of_o any_o profane_a person_n as_o prov._n 2._o 16._o where_o the_o chaldee_n express_v the_o whorish_a woman_n though_o a_o jewesse_n by_o the_o name_n of_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d it_o come_v from_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o be_v profane_v è_fw-la sancto_fw-la prophanum_fw-la fieri_fw-la sure_o onkelos_n have_v not_o thus_o paraphrase_a upon_o exod._n 12._o if_o it_o have_v not_o be_v the_o law_n of_o the_o jew_n that_o notorious_a 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which_o see_v apollonius_n in_o his_o ius_n maj●…statis_fw-la circa_fw-la sacra_fw-la but_o the_o erastian_n error_n be_v thus_o bear_v nurse_v feed_v and_o educate_v do_v fall_v into_o a_o most_o deadly_a decay_n and_o consumption_n the_o procure_a cause_n whereof_o be_v these_o three_o first_o the_o best_a and_o most_o and_o in_o some_o respect_n all_o of_o the_o reform_a church_n refuse_v to_o receive_v harbour_n or_o entertain_v it_o and_o so_o leave_v it_o expose_v to_o hunger_n and_o cold_a shame_n and_o nakedness_n some_o harbour_n it_o have_v in_o switzerland_n but_o that_o be_v look_v upon_o as_o come_v only_o through_o injury_n of_o time_n which_o can_v not_o be_v help_v the_o theological_a and_o scriptural_a principle_n of_o the_o divine_n of_o those_o church_n be_v anti-erastian_a and_o presbyterial_a as_o i_o have_v 53._o elsewhere_o show_v against_o mr._n coleman_n so_o that_o erastianisme_n can_v not_o get_v warmth_n and_o strength_n enough_o no_o not_o in_o zurick_n 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this_o purpose_n augustine_n the_o civet_n dei_fw-la lib._n 5._o cap._n 21._o where_o he_o say_v juliano_n that_o the_o same_o god_n give_v a_o kingdom_n and_o authority_n both_o to_o the_o roman_n assyrian_n persian_n hebrew_n and_o that_o he_o who_o give_v the_o kingdom_n to_o the_o best_a emperor_n give_v it_o also_o to_o the_o worst_a emperor_n yea_o he_o that_o give_v it_o to_o constantine_n a_o christian_n do_o also_o give_v it_o say_v he_o to_o julian_n the_o apostate_n tertullian_n apol._n cap._n 30._o speak_v of_o the_o heathen_a emperor_n of_o that_o time_n say_v that_o they_o be_v from_o god_n à_fw-la quo_fw-la sunt_fw-la secundi_fw-la post_fw-la quem_fw-la primi_fw-la ante_fw-la omnes_fw-la that_o he_o who_o have_v make_v they_o man_n do_v also_o make_v they_o emperor_n and_o give_v they_o their_o power_n ibid._n cap._n 33._o ut_fw-la meritò_fw-la dixerim_fw-la noster_fw-la est_fw-la magis_fw-la caesar_n ut_fw-la a_o nostro_fw-la deo_fw-la constitutus_fw-la so_o that_o i_o 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not_o hard_a to_o find_v such_o precedent_n as_o our_o opposite_n will_v be_v ashamed_a to_o own_o i_o be_o sure_a heathen_n themselves_o have_v know_v the_o difference_n between_o the_o office_n of_o priest_n and_o the_o office_n of_o magistrate_n aristotle_n de_fw-fr repub._n lib._n 4._o cap._n 15._o speak_v of_o priest_n say_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d for_o this_o be_v another_o thing_n then_o civil_a magistrate_n he_o have_v say_v before_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d for_o a_o civil_a society_n have_v need_n of_o many_o ruler_n but_o every_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d who_o be_v make_v by_o election_n or_o lot_n be_v not_o a_o civil_a magistrate_n and_o the_o first_o instance_n he_o give_v be_v that_o of_o the_o priest_n and_o so_o aristotle_n will_v have_v the_o priest_n to_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d a_o ruler_n but_o not_o a_o civil_a magistrate_n so_o de_fw-fr repub._n lib._n 7._o cap._n 8._o he_o distingu_n sheth_o between_o the_o priest_n and_o the_o judge_n in_o a_o city_n but_o to_o the_o matter_n i_o will_v here_o endeavour_v to_o make_v these_o two_o thing_n appear_v 1._o that_o no_o administration_n formal_o and_o proper_o ecclesiastical_a and_o namely_o the_o dispence_n of_o church_n censure_n do_v belong_v unto_o the_o magistrate_n nor_o may_v according_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n be_v assume_v and_o exercise_v by_o he_o 2._o that_o christ_n have_v not_o make_v the_o magistrate_n head_n of_o the_o church_n to_o receive_v appeal_n proper_o so_o call_v from_o all_o ecclesiastical_a assembly_n touch_v the_o first_o of_o these_o it_o be_v no_o other_o than_o be_v hold_v forth_o in_o the_o irish_a article_n of_o faith_n famous_a among_o orthodox_n and_o learned_a man_n in_o these_o kingdom_n which_o do_v plain_o exclude_v the_o magistrate_n from_o the_o administration_n of_o the_o word_n and_o sacrament_n and_o from_o the_o power_n of_o the_o key_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n it_o be_v the_o unhappiness_n of_o this_o 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this_o be_v matth._n 7._o 6._o 2_o thess._n 3._o 6_o 14_o 15._o 1_o cor._n 11._o 27_o to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o chapter_n compare_v with_o jude_n vers_fw-la 23._o 1_o tim._n 5._o 22._o another_o proof_n add_v by_o the_o assembly_n be_v this_o there_o be_v power_n and_o authority_n under_o the_o old_a testament_n to_o keep_v unclean_a person_n from_o holy_a thing_n levit._n 13._o 5._o num._n 9_o 7._o 2_o chro._n 23._o 19_o and_o the_o like_a power_n and_o authority_n by_o way_n of_o analogy_n continue_v under_o the_o new_a testament_n for_o the_o authoritative_a suspension_n from_o the_o lord_n table_n of_o a_o person_n not_o yet_o cast_v out_o of_o the_o church_n now_o that_o which_o be_v the_o strength_n of_o the_o assembly_n proof_n of_o the_o proposition_n m_o r_o prynne_n have_v almost_o never_o touch_v but_o run_v out_o upon_o other_o particular_n three_o observe_v that_o he_o dispute_v all_o along_o whether_o any_o minister_n can_v suspend_v one_o from_o the_o sacrament_n but_o 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excommunicatio_fw-la 5._o anathematisinius_n etc._n etc._n nevertheless_o there_o be_v a_o truth_n too_o in_o that_o which_o m_o r_o prynne_n say_v i_o confess_v the_o prelate_n never_o dare_v desire_n that_o which_o this_o learned_a and_o pious_a assembly_n have_v desire_v in_o this_o particular_a he_o have_v say_v it_o the_o prelate_n never_o dare_v indeed_o take_v upon_o they_o to_o suspend_v all_o scandalous_a person_n from_o the_o sacrament_n for_o if_o they_o have_v it_o have_v be_v say_v unto_o most_o of_o they_o physician_n cure_v thyself_o beside_o the_o lose_n of_o many_o of_o their_o party_n and_o moreover_o the_o very_a lordly_a prelate_n never_o dare_v make_v themselves_o to_o be_v but_o member_n of_o presbytery_n nor_o to_o be_v subject_a to_o the_o admonition_n and_o censure_n of_o their_o brethren_n which_o every_o minister_n now_o must_v do_v the_o lordly_a prelate_n do_v contrary_a to_o the_o institution_n of_o jesus_n christ_n make_v himself_o pastor_n of_o many_o 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bibit_fw-la sibi_fw-la non_fw-fr tibi_fw-la etc._n etc._n of_o which_o last_o sentence_n if_o m_o r_o prynne_n can_v make_v good_a latin_a let_v he_o do_v it_o for_o i_o can_v not_o and_o when_o he_o have_v do_v so_o he_o may_v be_v please_v to_o look_v over_o his_o book_n better_a to_o seek_v those_o word_n elsewhere_o if_o he_o can_v find_v they_o for_o as_o yet_o he_o have_v direct_v we_o to_o seek_v they_o where_o they_o be_v not_o my_o next_o animadversion_n shall_v be_v this_o the_o word_n of_o augustine_n which_o m_n r_o prynne_n allege_v for_o judas_n his_o receive_n of_o the_o sacrament_n be_v these_o tract_n 6._o in_o joh._n num_fw-la enim_fw-la mala_fw-la erat_fw-la buccella_fw-la quae_fw-la tradita_fw-la est_fw-la judae_fw-la à_fw-la domino_fw-la absit_fw-la medice_fw-la non_fw-la daret_fw-la venenum_fw-la salutem_fw-la medice_fw-la dedit_fw-la sed_fw-la indignus_fw-fr accipiendo_fw-la ad_fw-la perniciem_fw-la accepit_fw-la quia_fw-la non_fw-la pacatus_fw-la accepit_fw-la 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condemnation_n as_o for_o example_n judas_n and_o simon_n magus_n both_o of_o they_o do_v receive_v the_o sacramental_a sign_n i_o can_v subscribe_v to_o all_o this_o for_o it_o be_v true_a in_o respect_n of_o the_o baptism_n both_o of_o judas_n and_o simon_n magus_n but_o i_o must_v here_o put_v m_o r_o prynne_n in_o mind_n that_o the_o thing_n which_o he_o plead_v for_o be_v extreme_o different_a from_o that_o which_o the_o belgic_a church_n hold_v for_o harmonia_n synodorum_n belgicarum_n cap._n 13._o say_v thus_o nemo_fw-la ad_fw-la caenam_fw-la dominicam_fw-la admittatur_fw-la nisi_fw-la qui_fw-la fidei_fw-la confessionem_fw-la ante_fw-la reddiderit_fw-la &_o disciplinae_fw-la ecclesiasticae_fw-la se_fw-la subjecerit_fw-la &_o aquavitae_fw-la inculpatae_fw-la testes_fw-la fideles_fw-la produxerit_fw-la let_v no_o man_n be_v admit_v to_o the_o lord_n supper_n except_o he_o who_o have_v first_o make_v a_o confession_n of_o his_o faith_n and_o have_v subject_v himself_o to_o the_o 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