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A36252 A reply to Mr. Baxter's pretended confutation of a book entituled, Separation of churches from episcopal government, &c. proved schismatical to which are added, three letters written to him in the year 1673, concerning the possibility of discipline under a diocesan-government ... / by Henry Dodwell ... Dodwell, Henry, 1641-1711. 1681 (1681) Wing D1817; ESTC R3354 153,974 372

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determine_v p._n 211._o l._n 19_o 20._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d p._n 212._o l._n 6._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d p._n 214._o l._n 15._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d p._n 215._o l._n 7._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d p._n 224._o l._n 9_o maintain_v p._n 228._o l._n 8._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d p._n 236._o l._n 9_o 10._o cyzicenus_fw-la p._n 249._o l._n 25._o a_o city_n p._n 251._o l._n 14._o contradistinction_n p._n 252._o anastarius_n l._n 18_o 19_o tatieus_n p._n 253._o l._n 19_o can_n p._n 254._o l._n 18._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d p._n 256._o l._n 26._o maintenance_n p._n 257._o l._n 20._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d p._n 268._o l._n 19_o you_o may_v p._n 274._o l._n 9_o deal_n be_v p._n 275._o l._n 5._o vrbis_fw-la quaesissetis_fw-la quib_n l._n 23._o deal_n note_n interrog_n l._n 26._o oppress_v p._n 276._o l._n 10._o presbyter_n marg_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d p._n 284._o l._n 5._o credible_a l._n 7._o deal_n be_v p._n 285._o l._n 14._o credible_a p._n 291._o l._n 19_o deal_n one_o or_o p._n 293._o l._n 1._o ad_fw-la l._n 21._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d p._n 296._o l._n 22._o bishop_n p._n 308._o l._n 3._o indispensable_a p._n 310._o l._n 11._o 46._o p_o 313._o l._n 10._o be_v p._n 321._o l._n 8._o their_o l._n 20._o frumentius_n p._n 322._o l._n 10._o homoeusians_n p._n 323._o l._n 24._o will_v p._n 324._o l._n 15._o more_o in_o constantius_n time_n especial_o p._n 326._o l._n 13._o mavia_n l._n 17._o that_o though_o p._n 327._o l._n 16._o excuse_v a_o separation_n for_o the_o want_n p._n 331._o l._n 15._o in_o case_n of_o a_o exit_z p._n 332._o l._n 19_o that_o l._n 27._o case_n you_o will_v p._n 334._o l._n 8._o inquisitive_a a_o reply_n to_o mr._n baxter_n pretend_a confutation_n of_o my_o book_n of_o schism_n content_n mr._n baxter_n disingenuous_a deal_n with_o my_o person_n a_o defence_n of_o myself_o §_o 1_o 2._o why_o i_o be_o unwilling_a to_o recriminate_a §_o 3._o a_o account_n of_o the_o publication_n of_o these_o letter_n §_o 4._o his_o endeavour_n against_o i_o can_v in_o reason_n be_v call_v a_o confutation_n as_o the_o word_n confutation_n signify_v either_o a_o answer_n to_o my_o proof_n or_o a_o disproof_n of_o my_o answer_n §_o 5._o nor_o as_o it_o may_v signify_v a_o disproof_n of_o my_o principal_a conclusion_n by_o proof_n of_o truth_n inconsistent_a with_o it_o §_o 6._o nor_o as_o it_o may_v signify_v a_o disproof_n of_o what_o be_v say_v in_o defence_n of_o my_o principal_a conclusion_n though_o without_o particular_a application_n §_o 7._o his_o invidious_a consequence_n concern_v the_o multitude_n concern_v in_o my_o principle_n do_v not_o prove_v the_o principle_n themselves_o false_a §_o 8._o not_o prove_v they_o false_a the_o unkindness_n of_o the_o application_n will_v be_v rather_o his_o than_o i_o §_o 9_o a_o defence_n of_o our_o english_a succession_n from_o aidan_n and_o finan_n etc._n etc._n §_o 10._o his_o hypothesis_n concern_v god_n give_v ecclesiastical_a power_n immediate_o draw_v out_o into_o several_a proposition_n §_o 11._o this_o be_v the_o only_a likely_a way_n of_o justify_v our_o adversary_n ordination_n their_o similitude_n will_v not_o do_v without_o it_o not_o that_o of_o a_o husband_n over_o the_o wife_n not_o that_o of_o the_o power_n of_o a_o corporation_n convey_v by_o charter_n §_o 12_o 13_o 14._o two_o thing_n premise_v before_o a_o particular_a answer_n to_o that_o hypothesis_n 1._o that_o at_o least_o it_o must_v be_v grant_v that_o the_o reason_n of_o my_o former_a book_n will_v hold_v on_o supposition_n that_o ecclesiastical_a power_n be_v give_v by_o god_n not_o immediate_o but_o by_o the_o interposition_n of_o the_o ordeiner_n §_o 15._o 2._o that_o this_o hypothesis_n be_v not_o agreeable_a to_o the_o notion_n of_o any_o party_n that_o own_v any_o such_o thing_n as_o ecclesiastical_a power_n but_o only_o of_o enthusiast_n who_o utter_o deprive_v the_o church_n of_o any_o such_o power_n or_o of_o be_v a_o political_a society_n §_o 16_o 17._o the_o mischievous_a consequence_n of_o this_o hypothesis_n §_o 18._o authority_n do_v not_o necessary_o result_v from_o true_a qualification_n it_o be_v not_o agreeable_a to_o the_o sentiment_n of_o mankind_n to_o think_v so_o not_o in_o supreme_a power_n §_o 19_o not_o in_o subordinate_a god_n suit_v his_o establishment_n in_o government_n to_o the_o sentiment_n of_o mankind_n §_o 20._o it_o be_v not_o agreeable_a to_o the_o principle_n of_o ecclesiastical_a government_n in_o particular_a the_o right_n of_o god_n not_o alienable_a without_o a_o particular_a and_o express_a consent_n §_o 21._o the_o right_n of_o forgive_a offence_n least_o alienable_a of_o all_o other_o right_n §_o 22._o less_o alienable_a by_o a_o governor_n which_o be_v the_o person_n god_n assume_v here_o than_o by_o any_o other_o person_n §_o 23._o this_o hypothesis_n not_o agreeable_a to_o authority_n the_o scripture_n account_n of_o extraordinary_a office_n be_v ground_v on_o gift_n not_o favourable_a to_o our_o adversary_n §_o 24._o much_o less_o pertinent_a to_o the_o scripture_n account_v concern_v ordinary_a office_n the_o independency_n of_o gift_a person_n on_o the_o ordinary_a governor_n express_o oppose_v in_o the_o scripture_n §_o 25._o the_o scripture_n constant_o suppose_v man_n instrumental_a in_o give_v ordinary_a ecclesiastical_a authority_n §_o 26_o 27._o it_o be_v no_o dishonour_n to_o the_o holy_a ghost_n to_o suppose_v he_o give_v by_o man_n instrumental_o §_o 28._o want_v of_o gift_n do_v not_o invalidate_v ecclesiastical_a authority_n when_o once_o give_v §_o 29._o gift_n for_o preach_v not_o essential_a to_o the_o ministry_n §_o 30._o application_n to_o the_o forementioned_a hypothesis_n §_o 31._o argument_n of_o mr._n baxter_n s_o elf_n conviction_n conclusion_n §_o 32._o §_o i_o mr._n baxter_n in_o a_o late_a book_n of_o his_o bestow_v one_o whole_a chapter_n on_o the_o confutation_n of_o my_o schismatical_a book_n so_o he_o be_v also_o please_v to_o call_v it_o of_o schism_n i_o wish_v with_o all_o my_o heart_n he_o have_v confine_v himself_o to_o my_o book_n 9_o and_o forbear_v unbecoming_a as_o well_o as_o undeserved_a insinuation_n concern_v my_o person_n i_o mean_v particular_o those_o suggestion_n concern_v communion_n which_o most_o oblige_v i_o on_o the_o account_n of_o conscience_n to_o take_v notice_n of_o they_o and_o which_o notwithstanding_o can_v hardly_o be_v discuss_v without_o what_o i_o be_o otherwise_o so_o averse_a to_o some_o consequential_a reflection_n on_o he_o he_o have_v indeed_o put_v i_o in_o hope_n of_o some_o amends_o for_o it_o if_o he_o perform_v it_o it_o will_v be_v well_o for_o his_o own_o sake_n for_o my_o part_n i_o do_v not_o intend_v to_o depend_v usurpation_n on_o it_o i_o know_v how_o ordinary_a it_o be_v for_o the_o nonconformist_n to_o asperse_v that_o same_o religion_n which_o have_v be_v settle_v here_o by_o those_o law_n and_o legislator_n who_o first_o exclude_v popery_n with_o that_o same_o odious_a name_n against_o which_o those_o law_n and_o legislator_n be_v deserve_o so_o zealous_a we_o know_v how_o very_o late_o they_o have_v again_o be_v endeavour_v it_o and_o even_o at_o a_o time_n when_o themselves_o pretend_v a_o cordial_a union_n among_o protestant_n so_o very_o necessary_a i_o know_v particular_o how_o mr._n baxter_n have_v be_v guilty_a of_o it_o in_o his_o book_n of_o the_o grotian_n religion_n i_o know_v how_o moderation_n in_o the_o dispute_n of_o christendom_n be_v apt_a to_o be_v so_o miscall_v by_o these_o who_o so_o much_o pretend_v themselves_o to_o moderation_n what_o difference_n be_v there_o betwixt_o that_o which_o be_v decry_v as_o grotianism_n in_o those_o excellent_a person_n bishop_n bramhall_n and_o doctor_n pierce_n and_o that_o which_o be_v so_o much_o applaud_v as_o equal_v and_o candid_a deal_n in_o mounseur_fw-fr le_fw-fr blanc_n mr._n baxter_n himself_o and_o as_o many_o of_o that_o party_n as_o have_v affect_v the_o praise_n of_o be_v man_n of_o healing_n principles_n i_o know_v how_o the_o defence_n of_o order_n and_o discipline_n and_o ecclesiastical_a power_n be_v apt_a to_o be_v so_o miscall_v by_o they_o and_o far_o be_v it_o from_o i_o that_o i_o shall_v endeavour_v to_o purchase_v their_o good_a word_n or_o opinion_n by_o desert_v such_o cause_n as_o these_o let_v they_o call_v they_o by_o what_o odious_a name_n they_o please_v for_o other_o who_o be_v more_o equal_a judge_n i_o think_v i_o have_v as_o much_o to_o say_v to_o clear_v myself_o from_o the_o imputation_n of_o popery_n as_o mr._n baxter_n himself_o have_v or_o can_v have_v i_o mention_v not_o my_o education_n from_o the_o begin_n in_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n and_o never_o vary_v from_o it_o i_o mention_v not_o my_o renunciation_n of_o popery_n when_o i_o be_v make_v
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episcopo_fw-la duma_n also_o mention_v by_o mr._n baxter_n be_v send_v as_o bishop_n of_o that_o new_a colony_n of_o christian_n ordinatus_fw-la à_fw-la finano_n episcopo_fw-la 22._o sigbercht_v king_n of_o the_o east_n saxon_n be_v baptize_v by_o the_o same_o finan_n baptizatus_fw-la est_fw-la à_fw-la finano_n episcopo_fw-la and_o when_o cedd_v a_o holy_a person_n be_v invite_v by_o sigbercht_v for_o the_o conversion_n of_o his_o people_n he_o take_v occasion_n to_o make_v a_o visit_n at_o lindisfarn_n the_o seat_n of_o the_o northumbrian_n bishop_n propter_fw-la colloquium_fw-la finani_fw-la episcopi_fw-la where_o he_o be_v make_v bishop_n by_o finan_n vocatis_fw-la ad_fw-la se_fw-la in_o ministerium_fw-la ordinationis_fw-la aliis_fw-la duobus_fw-la episcopis_fw-la qui_fw-la accepto_fw-la gradu_fw-la episcopatûs_fw-la rediit_fw-la ad_fw-la provinciam_fw-la &_o majore_fw-la autoritate_fw-la coeptum_fw-la opus_fw-la explens_fw-la fecit_fw-la per_fw-la loca_fw-la ecclesias_fw-la presbyteros_fw-la &_o diaconos_fw-la ordinavit_fw-la etc._n etc._n we_o see_v here_o how_o punctual_a observer_n of_o the_o canon_n these_o scotish_n bishop_n be_v notwithstanding_o our_o adversary_n will_v fain_o persuade_v we_o that_o themselves_o be_v ordain_v by_o presbyter_n because_o the_o monk_n of_o the_o isle_n of_o hii_n though_o bishop_n be_v subject_a to_o their_o abbot_n though_o only_o a_o presbyter_n as_o to_o the_o rule_n of_o their_o monastic_a discipline_n for_o the_o sake_n of_o their_o first_o founder_n columba_n who_o never_o exceed_v the_o order_n of_o presbyter_n but_o mr._n baxter_n will_v do_v well_o to_o let_v we_o know_v what_o use_n they_o can_v have_v have_v of_o bishop_n at_o all_o 10._o if_o it_o be_v not_o to_o perform_v some_o office_n for_o which_o no_o superiority_n of_o their_o presbyter_n abbot_n in_o the_o monastery_n can_v qualify_v they_o without_o bishop_n and_o what_o either_o then_o or_o ever_o be_v take_v for_o so_o unseparable_a a_o right_n of_o episcopacy_n as_o ordination_n if_o therefore_o they_o be_v willing_a their_o presbyter_n abbot_n shall_v for_o the_o sake_n of_o columba_n have_v all_o the_o honour_n of_o which_o a_o presbyter_n be_v capable_a and_o yet_o think_v it_o necessary_a to_o have_v bishop_n also_o for_o their_o ordination_n be_v not_o this_o a_o plain_a conviction_n that_o they_o think_v this_o office_n of_o ordination_n not_o performable_a by_o single_a presbyter_n and_o how_o have_v it_o be_v a_o unusual_a order_n as_o bede_n express_o say_v it_o be_v that_o presbyter_n if_o such_o only_o have_v be_v mean_v by_o the_o name_n of_o bishop_n shall_v have_v be_v subject_a to_o the_o abbot_n who_o be_v also_o a_o presbyter_n but_o to_o fancy_v that_o the_o office_n of_o bishop_n and_o presbyter_n be_v confound_v in_o those_o late_a age_n of_o which_o we_o be_v discourse_v whatever_o they_o be_v in_o the_o apostle_n be_v indeed_o a_o fancy_n so_o extravagant_a as_o mr._n baxter_n can_v hardly_o have_v be_v 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