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time_n when_o it_o invade_v the_o church_n non_fw-la est_fw-la laborandum_fw-la est_fw-la hâ—c_fw-la curiosâ—_n &_o 〈…〉_o quaestio_fw-la 3._o quaestio_fw-la de_fw-fr eccle_n contr_n 1._o quaest_n 3._o and_o in_o like_a manner_n john_n cameron_n