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A05456 Cyuile and vncyuile life a discourse very profitable, pleasant, and fit to bee read of all nobilitie and gentlemen : where, in forme of a dialoge is disputed, what order of lyfe best beseemeth a gentleman in all ages and times ... 1579 (1579) STC 15589.5; ESTC S106722 50,662 109

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aboad there and at what age may hee without offence and in reason retire him selfe Vallentine You are very discrete and orderly in all your demaunds I would wish you to aske of more skilfull Courtiers for though I haue seene the Courtes of sundry forraine Princes and serued longe our owne Soueraigne yet dare I not accompt my self so perfite as to enforme you in euery of these Vincent I haue saide and so I must once more say that you are ouer full of respectes which humor you found beyond the Mountaynes I pray you laye by this curiositie and do as you partly promised tell of the order of a Courtly life and what exercises becommeth a Courtier in euery age and begin at fiue and twenty yeares or there about for before that time a young Gentleman may haue both studied in Schooles seen the warre and trauelled Countreyes Which three thinges or at the least one of thē in any wise I wish a Gentleman should doo to make him worthy of a Princes seruice Vallentine Such a man beeinge retained to the Prince his best meane to aduauncement as I thinke is to excell if possible hee may in that he professeth adding therunto dilligence and fidelity in seruice And if hee professeth specially armes I would he aduentured him selfe in euery honourable warre till such time as hee hath gayned the true knowledge and reputation of a Souldier And touchinge the exercises of such a one duringe his aboad in Court it shall well become his age and profession to handle all sorts of armes both on horseback and foote leape daunce runne ride and if hee so like play at all sortes of games so that hee accompanieth either his betters or equals and that with such discretiō as his loss be not at any time so great as to occasion his ruyn It will also stand wel with his condition to entertaine Ladyes and serue specially some one whose vertue and priuate curtesie doth at his hand best deserue One other thinge also I wish hee vsed I meane that at the least one howre of euery day hee should read either in some notable History or excellent discourse For that will much exercise the minde encrease the knowledge Vincent It is true that as the strength of body vnused will quickly decay so wil also the wit and memory But I pray you tell mee when these lusty exercises will become a Gentleman I meane whither they bee seemely all his life or but only for some certaine yeares Vallentine In this question I am sure you aunswere your selfe that they are seldome seemely in a man of ripe age and in olde yeares very rediculous For if you should see an olde Gentleman with a white or grisly beard take vpon him to daunce or turney for his Mistrisse fauour I suppose you would not looke on him without laughter nor shee without disdaine yea such is the force of cumlinesse as euen in those that make profession of dauncing vnlesse their yeares be fit for the vse therof they doo rather instruct others then vse it them selues But armes becommeth a Gentleman in all ages But yet diuersly for old men must only in earnest vse it But young men both in earnest sporte are bound to that exercise Vincent Yet haue you not tolde mee how longe this lyfe wil be seemely Vallentine I pray you presse mee no more with these demaunds for I referred you to a booke that can better enforme you Yet sith you seeke my opinion I say as in a sorte I haue already sayd that these exercises of bodie doo only become youth And therefore that age which I suppose by the Philosophers rule endeth at thirty and fiue yeares doth onely grace a Gentleman in them After that time beeinge of capassitie and experience hee is rather to be imploied in serious seruices then left at leysure to entertayne Ladies or daunce a Galliard Vincent But if it happeneth hee bee not vsed in any action meete for his age and skill But either through want of occasion freendes or fortune let stand still in his first estate without either aduauncement or imployment beeing no longer fit for loue and dalliance How should hee grace him self in Court Vallentine Truly as I take it beeing come to the declyne of his age and drawing neare to fortye yeares hee may without offence retire him selfe and resigne his ordinary attendance resortinge some times to see his Soueraigne as a cheefe comfort For if you consider well that place which requireth the person of a younge man will misbecome the same body beeinge in yeares also while youth and lust lasted there was hope of good which now decaied the man becommeth not only vnfit for the place he vsed But also not preferred looseth the reputation wherin his vertue and expectacion did holde him Vincent You speake like a man of experience and iudgement as one that knoweth what is beseeming in euery age and estate Notwithstandinge I see some vnaduaunced also vnemployed Courtiers that dwell in their young places of seruice euen to their last yeares Vallentine Euen so in troth it is and the occasions thereof diuerse Some there are of those men very imployable yet therwith deepely infected with ambition and therfore will neuer leaue the Courte clearely forgetting that Fortune is a woman which sexe seldome preferreth folke of declyning age Others hauinge happely committed some error and therby incurred the princes offence beeing penitent and desirous to recouer fauour and reputation doo notwithstanding they know them selues ouer aged for their profession stil attend a plausible departure which is not quickly obtayned for you wot well Ira and Irabundia bee speedier passions then are Beneuolentia and Gratia. Vincent The thirde forte are the Children of Phao who for want of wit will imagine they bee euer young neuer knowinge what becomes them but still stay in Courte without countenaunce not to aspire to any thinge but to eate and drinke among Lords For them was the Florentyne Prouerbe deuised which saith Chi S'inuecchia in Corte in paglia more Vincent Sir you needed not so far to haue fetched a Prouerbe to apply to this purpose for wee haue one of our owne But I thanke you for yours you teach mee betwixt times some beyond sea Vallentine Then Maister Vincent sith you encounter mee with mockes I will speake no more of Court but as I haue oft tolde wish you to peruse the booke of the Courtier Vincent Yet one word more of the Court and then speake whereof you please You seemed to say that Learning Armes were the true professions of a gentleman would you then that when hee commeth to age hee should abandon one of them I meane Armes or be so discurteous as no longer to loue Ladyes Vallentine I meane nothing lesse But that duringe life a Gentleman should professe Armes and at occasions vse them as I tolde you before in age ernestly in youth both in earnest sporte Also I would haue all Gentlemen euen to their dying