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A09635 A Godly dyalogue & dysputacyon betwene Pyers Plowman, and a popysh preest concernyng the supper of the Lorde no lesse frutefell then necessarye to be noted of al Christen men specyally considering the great controuerses & varyaunces had therin now in your tyme. 1550 (1550) STC 19903; ESTC S1639 2,472 14

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¶ A godly dyalogue dysputacyon betwene Pyers plowman and a popysh preest concernyng the supper of the lorde / no lesse frutefull then necessarye to be noted of al christen men specyally considering the great controuer ses varyaunces had therin now in your tyme ¶ .i. Corinth i ¶ God hath chosen the weake thinges of the worlde to confounde thynges whyche are myghtye yea thynges of no reputacyou for to bryng to nought thynges of reputacion that no flesh shuld presume ī his sight IT chaunced that this simple Pyers plowmā com to a certeyne house where as was a daner prepared for the neyghbours dwellyng ther aboute At the which dynner were iiii Prests amongest whome was moche resoning concerning the Sacrament of the Aultre to be shorte one amongest these iiii to make the symple people beleue that he was better learned then all hys fellowes sayde and declared ther that the sacrament was the very body and bloud of Chryste Alleagynge further that great daunger yt was to receyue yet vnworthely c. where vppon Pycets plowman encouraged hym selfe yea was rathere boldened and encouraged by the secret motyon of the holy goost hauyng this sentence of Christ before hys eyes that he that for saketh me before the world hym wyl I forsake before mi farther whyche is in heauen ▪ begynneth wyth the sayde preest after thys manner followynge Master parsō by your pacience I woulde aske youe a question in the way of communycacion Prest ¶ Aske what ye wyll Pyers ¶ I praye the syr whether shall whe receyue the very selfe same body whyche the blessed vergyn Marye conceyued in hyr whom●●e by the inspyracyon of the holye goost at thys holye tyme of Easter or no Preest ¶ We shal receiue the same body Pyers I deny that prest Then shal we receyne some other body pers That I denye also prest Now I parceyue that thou arte a ranke heretyke Pyers ¶ If I am and heretike then is S. Austyne and heretyke also prest ¶ S. Austen sayth no such thing I trow how be it to saye truthe I haue not greatly occupyed mi selfe in redyng of hys workes Pyers ¶ Swere not master parson for I beleue you well ynough I thyncke you comber but lytel your braynes eyther with S Austens wryntinges or yet with the holy and sacred Bible But I tolde you before yf I am an heretyke S. Austen is anheretyke also Prest In what place I praye the dooth S. Austyne speake these wordes Pyers Learne to vnderstand these fewe wordes which S. Austen writeth in a booke intituled Magistra sēt enciarum Iesum et non ipsum quod videbatur in cruce manducatur in altari Hoc est ipsum scꝪ corpus quod videbatur in cruce manducabatur no māducabatur Man ducabatur autē spiritualiter it non carnaliter that is that and not that body whyche was seen on the crosse was eaten at the aulter that is to saye it is eaten and it is not eaten After this man nor is it eatē when it is minstred accordynge to the institucyon of Chryst spiritually that is sted fastlye to beleue that we are redemed and saued by the metites of Chrystes passyō wher of this sacramēt is only a remēbraunce is not eaten carnalle or fleshlye as ye papistes do roate cry Prest But for al that he is at the alter in the forme of breade Pyers I denye that for yf he where there vnder the forme of bread the bread / shoulde lose hys taste wayght and colour Where by maye easelye be parecyued that your sayinge is false But hys power when it is mynystred and receyueyd according to the institucion of Chryst is there inuisible so vs Here to also apparteyneth an other saying of S. Austen Crede et manducasti That is beleue and thou hast eaten And thus I beleue that the supper of the lordes body can be made no better by a good preste nor worsse by abad prest Prest That I graunt also pyers Syris not he both God and man Prest Yea forsoth paers But now master parson tell me I praye the in how many places can he be as one tyme concernyng his godheade Prest God occupyeth no place Pyers That is truth for he is a spirite and a spy●yte is where he wyll And I praye t●● … maye not God be in euery place althoughe he occupyeth noplace Prest yea forsoth Pyers ¶ So I beleue that God is al in al thynges as Pau●e witnesseth And so he may be in all places where the. Sacrament is consecrated accordynge to the instrucion of Chryste Prest ¶ All that is no lesse then truth Pyers ¶ Gentell master parson tel me I pray that whether occupyed that body which the bledssed vyrgyn mary bare any place or no ▪ Preest Ye marye dyd it good man pyers Pyers How many places occupied the same bodye at oone tyme Preest But one place at ones Pyers Dyd not the selfe same body suffer vnder ponce pilate and was it not also crucyfyed deade and buryed for our offences Prest Yea forsoth dyd he Pyers Dyd not that same body reman in the graue or sepulchre whyles the spirite descended in to hell And was not the god head with the spyrite in hell and remayned not y● godhead neue● the lesse with the body / in the sepulchre or graue Preest Yea forsoth it was euen so Pyers Syr dyd not that selfe sam body aryse agayn on the thyrde daye And after his resurrectiou dyd not he eate of a broyled fysh and of a Honycombe in a token that he was very man Prest It was euen so Pyers Dyd not the body ascend in to heauen sytteth he not at the ryghte hand of the maiestie of god Prest yea mary Pyers ❧ Now mayster parson where is that body now prest ¶ It is in heuen pyers ❧ Now tell me I praye the dyd that body euer come downe frome heauen ▪ sence it ascended vp into heauen / prest ¶ No verely it neuer descended or came doune sence pyers ❧ Ergo to you master parson then is not the same body that our lady bare mynystred at the Aultet but onelye a rememb ance of the same as it appereth not onelte by my layingout also by poutes prest For soth it were a straunge matter to reason vppon before the laye people pyers ¶ No syr not so It were a very godly and necessary matter to be resoned and cōnuned of for by thys meanes myght the symple people learne to be ware of the leauen of suche pharyses I wyll not say as you are for now thankes be to god ye are come to the ryght way but as a great forte the more pytie be ❧ The other .iii. prestes sayd If these hobbes and rusticals be suffred to be thus busy in readynge of Englysh heresy and to dyspute after this maner wyth vs which are sperytual men we shal be fayne to learne some other occupacion or els we are lyke to haue but a colde broth Pyers AMEN