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A77832 A vindication of the book called, Some Gospel-truths opened; according to the Scriptures, and the opposition made against it by Edward Borrough, a professed Quaker, (but proved an enemie to the truth) examined and confuted by the word of God. And also, the things that were then laid down, and declared to the world by me, are a second-time born witness to, according to truth: with the answer of Edward Burrough to the quæries then laid down in my book reproved. And also, a plain answer to his quæries, given in simplicitie of soul; and is now also presented to the world, or who else may read, or hear them; to the end (if God will) that truth may be discovered thereby. / by John Bunyan ... Bunyan, John, 1628-1688.; Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662.; Bunyan, John, 1628-1688. Some gospel-truths opened according to the Scriptures. 1657 (1657) Wing B5606; ESTC R170889 81,202 76

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