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A85121 A plain-dealing, and plain-meaning sermon, preach't in the parish church of St. Nicholas, Bristol, April. 6. 1660. Being the day appointed by the Parliament for publique fasting and humiliation for the sins of the nation, &c. Together with a prefatory epistle, and subsequent vindication both of the sermon, and author. Wherein (besides an apology for home and plain-preaching) you have something offered to allay the heat of thier stomacks, and to temper the tongues of those, who (being ignorant in scripture) reproach and revile Presbytery and Presbyters. With some hints at Satans subtlety, and the mischief of those people, who brand zeal for God and truth (in free, home, and faithfull preaching) with the reproachful names of anger, passion, and railing. Farmer, Ralph. 1660 (1660) Wing F443; Thomason E1025_5; ESTC R208684 39,155 50

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and raved at it Oh! that blessed book think they that most excellent book for sports on the Sabboth That was a good a blessed a merry time with us These people are like those Jer. 44.16,17,18 As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord we will not hearken unto thee But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth to burn incense unto the Queen of heaven and to pour out drink-offerings unto her as we have done we and our fathers our Kings and our princes in the Cities of Iudah and streets of Ierusalem For then had we plenty of victuals and were well and saw no evill But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven c. we have wanted all things and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine Well sirs think as you will For my part I thinke that accursed book was none of the least provocations that drew down the judgements of God upon the Nation And yet how glad would many be of this licentious liberty re-introduced And oh for some good Court Bishops to help us in this particular against the Round-heads and these puritanical Presbyterians Beloved Reader I charge this upon the Court Bishops onely For confident I am there were many good and godly Bishops in the Nation who abhorred that execrable thing and yet this is the thing these miserable wretches look for And here let me not be mistaken or mis-reported as if I thought that none but prophane and godlesse persons look and long for the Kings coming No far be it from my soul For I am assured there are many godly and honest hearts sober and discreet persons who earnestly desire it and would be glad to see it But as for prophane and ungodly persons drunkards swearers whoremongers Sabboth-breakers despisers of Religion and godlinesse in the power of it upon what good account can they desire him I leave it to any reasonable man to judge Do they desire it either for the Kings good or their own good certainly no But they are sure if one party whom they how hate should prevail they shall still walke in their chains and fetters but from another they hope at least for freedome And should they be hampered and restrained by that other they would hate both alike For 't is not this person or that person this party or that which is the quarrel or offence But the old enmity of opposition and hatred between the two seeds of godly and ungodly And if the King be as by some he is reported which God grant godly and shall shew it by his curbing their wickednesse they will not like him long but would be weary of him And clearly the observation and information of their prophanesse the last Fast day is to me yea and to any considering person a sufficient argument of their ungodlinesse and these onely are the men I spoke of and desired to consider the vanity of their expectations That if it had been the will of God I might have been instrumental to undeceive but some one of them and see how they requite me for my labour But I shall not lose it And truly although these be the persons I chiefly aym at as most worthy of reprehension Yet since I am now discharging my conscience in this way of writing which I think not to do again I would beg leave to advise some of our more civill and moderate opponents in one particular 'T is too easie and familiar with many of you upon the least provocation sometimes without it to return upon us with the word Presbyterian by way of reproach as a Nick-name and to inveigh against Presbytery But Sirs do you understand what you do It 's true the Bishops have a long time kept the name and thing in a kind of silence under hatches But will you without passion and partiality and as in the presence of God for so I desire to deale with you be informed in the truth Then I must tell you this one thing the Scripture speaks more of and for Presbyters then Bishops Not that I bring this as an argument to prove Presbytery to be more sacred then Episcopacy For I thinke them both so alike and I intend not to handle that controversie My designe is to let you know if the Scripture may rule you you may as well speak scornfully of Bishops as Presbyters and of Episcopacy as of Presbytery For I tell you again the Scripture makes oftner mention of Presbyters then Bishops Now for your information and to clear this to you you must know that the word presbyter though we by use make it English is a Greek word which we in our English Bibles have always translated by the word Elder It comes from 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Senex one that 's old And 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is Senior one that 's Elder And this word is used in Scripture sometimes in a naturall sense to signifie one elder in age and sometimes in an ecclesiastical sense for an Officer in the Church of Christ Now it was my purpose to have examined all the places in the Greek Testament where the word Presbyter is used and to have observed how many times it was used in an ecclesiastical sence signifying a Church-Officer But the day before the writing hereof there came very happily to my hand a Book lately published by one whose other workes praise him in the gate and this not a little scil Mr. George Lawson Politica Sacra which saves me some labour which I am willing to embrace at this time for hast-sake especially from such an Author And he tells me page 139. of that Book that he finds the word Presbyter in an ecclesiastical sence and notion about sixteen times in the New Testament And now as for the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which is sometimes translated an Overseer as Acts 20.28 and sometimes a Bishop I could quickly number them for 't is but five times used and one of them is spoken not of an ordinary Church-officer but of our Lord Christ Jesus 1 Pet. 2.25 So that I say the Scripture makes more use and more often mention of the word Presbyter then Bishop and therefore not so to be slighted and reproached or to be used as a terme of disgrace to any man unlesse you have a mind to disgrace the Scripture which thus honours Presbyters and Presbyterians above Bishoips Yea but Bishops are above them How know you that They were so and so have a long time that 's true But did the Scripture put them there Good sirs let no man be angry with me if I express my mind freely I mean not to make a quarrel of it nor contend with any man about it for I have better work to do then nodum in scirpo quaerere But where doth the Scripture put a Bishop above a Presbyter Let any man in the world shew me the place Shall I ask