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A51562 A reply to an answer to the Defence of Amicia, daughter of Hugh Cyveliok, Earl of Chester wherein it is proved, that the reasons alleadged by Sir Peter Leicester, in his former book, and also in his said answer, concerning the illegitimacy of the said Amicia, are invalid, and of no weight at all / by Sir Thomas Mainwaring ... Mainwaring, Thomas, Sir, 1623-1689. 1673 (1673) Wing M303; ESTC R10002 39,045 108

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