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A07038	Oh read ouer D. Iohn Bridges, for it is worthy worke: or an epitome of the fyrste booke, of that right worshipfull volume, written against the puritanes, in the defence of the noble cleargie, by as worshipfull a prieste, Iohn Bridges, presbyter, priest or elder, doctor of Diuillitie, and Deane of Sarum Wherein the arguments of the puritans are wisely prevented, that when they come to answere M. Doctor, they must needes say some thing that hath bene spoken. Compiled for the behoofe and overthrow of the vnpreaching parsons, fyckers, and currats, that haue lernt their catechismes, and are past grace: by the reverend and worthie Martin Marprelat gentleman, and dedicated by a second epistle to the terrible priests. In this epitome, the foresaide fickers, [et]c. are very insufficiently furnished, with notable inabilitie of most vincible reasons, to answere the cauill of the puritanes. ...; Oh read over D. John Bridges. Epitome	Marprelate, Martin, pseud.; Throckmorton, Job, 1545-1601, attributed name.; Penry, John, 1559-1593, attributed name.	1588 (1588)	STC 17454; ESTC S112311	32,960	52

Oh read ouer D. Iohn Bridges for it is worthy worke Oranepitome of the fyrste Booke of that right worshipfull volume written against the Puritanes in the defence of the noble cleargie by as worshipfull a prieste Iohn Bridges Presbyter Priest or elder doctor of Diuillitie and Deane of Sarum Wherein the arguments of the puritans are wisely prevented that when they come to answere M. Doctor they must needes say some thing that hath bene spoken Compiled for the behoofe and overthrow of the vnpreaching Parsons Fyckers and Currats that haue lernt their Catechismes and are past grace By the reverend and worthie Martin Marprelat gentleman and dedicated by a second Epistle to the Terrible Priests In this Epitome the foresaide Fickers c. are very insufficiently furnished with notable inabilitie of most vincible reasons to answere the cauill of the puritanes And lest M. Doctor should thinke that no man can write without sence but his selfe the senceles titles of the seueral pages and the handling of the matter throughout the Epitome shewe plainely that beetleheaded ignoraunce must not liue and die with him alone Printed on the other hand of some of the Priests Martin Marprelate gentleman primate and Metropolitane of al the Martins in England To all the Cleargie masters wheresoeuer sayth as followeth WHy my cleargie masters is it euen so with your terriblenes May not a pore gentleman signifie his good will vnto you by a Letter but presently you must put your selues to the paines and charges of calling foure Bishops together Iohn Canterburie Iohn London Thomas Winchester William of Lincolne and posting ouer citie countrie for poore Martin Why his meaning in writing vnto you was not that you should take the paines to seeke for him Did you thinke that he did not know where he was himselfe Or did you thinke him to haue bene cleane lost that you sought so diligently for him I thanke you brethren I can be well though you do not send to knowe how I do My mind towards you you shal from time to time vnderstand by my pistles As now where you must know that I thinke not wel of your dealing with my worship and those that haue had of my bookes in their custodie Ile make you rue that dealing of your● vnlesse you leaue it I may do it for you haue broken the conditions of peace betweene vs. I can do it for you see how I am fauored of all estates the puritans onely excepted I haue bene entertayned at the Court Euerye man talkes of my worship Manye would gladly receiue my bookes if they coulde tell where to finde them I hope these Courtier● will one day see the cause tryed betweene mee and you I haue manie sonnes abroad that will sollicit my suite My desire is to haue the matter tryed whether your places ought to be tollerated in any Christian commonwealth I saye they ought not And I say Iohn Canterburie and all ought to be out of his place Euery Archbishop is a petty Pope so is euery Lord bishop You are all the pack of you eyther hirelings or wolues If you dare aunswere my reasons let me see it done Otherwise I trow my friends and sonnes will see you one day deposed The Puritans are angrie with me I meane the puritane preachers And why Because I am to open Because I iest I iested because I delt against a worshipful iester D. Bridges whose writings and sermons tend to no other ende then to make men laugh I did thinke that Martin shoulde not haue beene blamed of the puritans for telling the trueth openly For may I not say that Iohn of Canterbury is a pettie pope seing he is so You must then beare with my ingramnesse I am plaine I must neede call a Spade a Spade a Pope a Pope I speake not against him as he is a Councellor but as he is an Archbishop and so Pope of Lambeth What will the Puritane seeke to keepe out the Pope of Rome and maintaine the Pope at Lambeth Because you will do this I will tell the Bishope how they shall deale with you Let them say that the hottest of you hath made Martin and that the rest of you were consenting there vnto● and so go to our magistrates and say lo such and such of our puritane haue vnder the name of Martin written against your lawes and so call you in and put you to your othes whether yon made Martin or no. By this meanes M. Wiggington or such as will refuse to take an othe against the lawe of the land will presently be founde to haue made Martin by the bishops because he cannot be gotten to sweare that he made him not And here is a deuice to fynde a hole in the coat of some of you puritanes In life sort to fynde the Printer put euery man to his othe and fynd meanes that Schilders of Middleborough shalbe sworne to so that if any refuse to sweare then he may be thought to be the pri●●ter But bishops let your fatherhoods tel me one thing May you put men to their oth● against law Is there any law to force men to accuse themselues No. Therefore looke what this dealing wil procure at the length Euen a plain premunire vpon your backe for vrging an oth contrary to statute which is a piece of the forraine power bannished by statute For the rest that will needs haue my bookes and cannot keepe them close I care not how the bishops deale with such open fellowes And bishops I woulde I could make this year 1388. to be the woonderful year by remoouing you all out of England Martin hath tolde the trueth you cannot denie it that some of you do iniuriously detayne true mens goods as Iohn of London And some haue accounted the preaching of the word to be heresie as Iohn of Canterburie c. All of you are in an vnlawfull callng no better then a broode of pettie Popes It will be but Follie for you to persecute the Courtier Martin vntill you haue cleared your selues which you can neuer do of the crimes he hath layd to your charge Alas poore bishops you would faine be hidden in a net I perceiue I will grow to a point with you Haue but a free disputation with the puritans for the vnlawfulnes of your place and if you be not ouerthrowen● I wil come in and do vnto you what you thinke good for then I will say that you are no Popes There was the Demonstration of Discipline published together with mine Epistles which is a booke wherein you are challenged by the puritane to aduenture your Bishopprick● against their liues in disputation You haue gotten a good excuse to be deaff at that challenge vnder couler of seeking for Martin Your dealing therein is but to holde my dishe whilo I spill my pottage you defend your legges against Martine strokes while the puritans by their Demonstration crushe the very braine of your Bishopdomes Answere that booke and giue the puritan●

the ouerthrow by disputation or els I see that Martin hath vndone you Be packing bishops and keepe in the P●●rcivants or if you will needs send them abroad to molest good men then pay them thei● wages and let them not pull it out of poore mens throates like greedie doggs as they do You striue in vaine you are layd open alreadie Fryar● and Monkes were not so bad● they liued in the darke you shut your eyes lest you should see the light Archbishop Titus and Timothie will neuer maintaine your popishe callings I haue pulled off your vizards looke to your selues for my sonnes will not see their father thus persecuted at your hands I will worke your woe and ouerthrow I hope And you are alreadie cleane spoyled vnlesse you will grant the puritans a free disputation and leaue your persecuting Eyther from countrie or Court M. Martin Marprelate will do you hurt Rime doggrell Is good inough for bishops I can tell And I doe much maruell If I haue not giuen them such a spell As answere it how they cannot tell Doctor Bridges vp and downe Writeth after this fashowne The Epitome of the first booke of this worthye volume written by my brother Sarum Deane Iohn Sic foeliciter incipit THe whole volume of M. Deanes containeth in it 16 bookes besides a large preface and an Epistle to the Reader The Epistle the preface are not aboue 8. sheets of paper and very little vnder 7. You may see when men haue a gift in writing howe easie it is for them to daube paper The compleat worke very briefely comprehended in a portable booke if your horse be not too weake of an hundred threescore and twelue sheets of good Demie paper is a confutation of The learned discourse of Ecclesiasticall gouernement This learned discourse is a booke allowed by all the Puritane preachers in the lande who would haue all the remnants and reliques of Antichriste dauntehed out of the Church and not so much as a Lorde B. no not his grace himselfe dumbe minister no not dumbe Iohn of London his selfe nonresident archdeacon abbie lubder or anye such loyterer tollerated in our ministerie Insomuch as if this strong holde of theirs be ouerthrowne hoe then all the fat is run to the fire with the puritanes And therefore hath not the learned prudent M. Deane delt very valiantly how wisely let Iohn Cant. cast his cardes and consider in assaulting this fort of our precise brethren which he hath so shakē with good vincible reasons very notably out of reason that it hath not one steane in the foundation meare then it had Trust me truely he hath giuen the cause sicken a wipe in his bricke and so lamb skinned the fame that the cause will be the warmer a good while for it The reasons that moued him to take this paines was that at the first comming out of the Learned Discourse the D. in a Sermon of his at Paules crosse did not onely confute a great part of this booke but by his said learned sermon made many of the puritans relent and distrust their owne cause what cannot a smooth tongue and a schollerlike wit bring to passe Some other of the puritans in deede being more vntoward to learne then the rest stood stiffe in their former opinions concerning the gouernment of bishopps notwithstanding this sermon of M. doctors challenged him for his sermon offered him y e disputation yea the non plus too or els I am deceiued here M. dean promised them a large confutation of the Learned discourse which in this ●ooke he hath now performed wherein he hath behaued himselfe verye scholerlike His stile is as smooth as a crabtree cudgell The lieader cannot chuse but haue as great delight therein as a Iacke an Apes hath in a whip he hath so thumped the cause with crosse blowes that the puritans are like to haue a good and a sound cause of it as long as they liue In this one thing I dare preferre him before any that euer wrote to wit that there be not 3. whole periods for euery page in the book that is not graced with a verie faire and visible solacism O most excellent and surpassing eloquence He speaketh euery thing so fitly to the purpose that he neuer toucheth the matter in question A rare gift in a learned writer He hath vsed such varietie of lerning that very often he hath translated out of one mans writing 6. or 7. pages together note here a newe founde manner of bookemaking And which is more strange he bringeth those testimonies for his purpose whose very words translated set down by him are as flat against the purpose whereto he bringeth them as fire in quallity is contrary to water Had not he a right vse of his wits think you while they were thus bestowed Not to stand long in this place of those quallities in him whereof before I haue made some mention to his praise in the former Epistle Whatsoeuer might be for the ornament and furthering of an honest cause he hath in this booke so defied them all that elsewhere you are to seeke for them for here they are not to be found Wherin he hath very wisely and prudeutly obserued the decorum of the cause in hand Like lips like Lettice as it is in the prouerbe The goodnes honestie of the matter he handled required such good honest proffs as he brought Let those that handle honest and godly causes labor to bring good prooffs and a cleare stile Presbyter Iohn defended our Church gouernement which is full of corruptions therefore the stile and the prooffs must be of the same nature that the cause is The priest leaues not so much as the title of the Discourse vnexamined The title forsooth is A learned discourse c. A sawcie title but what sayth the lerned Bridges vnto it O you know he is good at a stale iest euer since he plaide my Lord of Winchesters foole in his sermon at Sir Maries Church in Cambridg therfore he iesteth at the title I vs the puritans haue nothing to doe with that sermon why should they hit their brother in the teeth therewith he hath made their betters to laugh at him for his Sermon since that time And whye should he not for his grace will allow him because he is content that bishops should be Lords he hath subscribed weareth a corner cap and a tippet woulde gladly come to the honor to weare that which might make him a lord spirituall and if it were a shauen crowne or a coxcombe which his grace his articles would enioyn him to weare what hurt could that do vnto him Now I wonder what our brethren will say to this that their booke is scoffed at at the first dashe I am sure their noses can abide no iest What say they man do you make anye question of that I warraunt you they will affirme that the author of the Learned Discourse and

I say although he hath therein spoken against bishopps euen our bishops now liuing and so against himselfe as being nowe a B. yet that his booke is a carnall and vnlearned booke smelling altogether of earth without rime and without reason And that his speaking against bishops therein was but a snare to catch a bishopprick as it now appeareth The particular sentences marginall notes shalbe set downe and where I set anye note vpon your booke there shalbe an m. for difference sake added thervnto We will beginn with your owne wordes vnto the Bb. that is vnto your selfe and your brethren page 23. Oh they may thanke God say you that they haue this time to breathe them and bethinke them of their naughtie and hellishe crueltie and to call dayly and hourely for pardon and forgiuenes for let them thinke that if they be not punished in this life nor repent God accounteth their deedes so vile and their ●ults so haynous that no temporall paines be inough for such offences And therefore reserueth them to eternall damnation Oh howle and wayle you priests and prelates not for the danger you stand in of loosing your bishopricks and benefices your pride your pompe your dignities and honors your riches and welth But for that hel hath opened her mouth wide and gapeth to swalow you for the sheding of so much innocent blood for murdering so manie martyrs though this her true in our bishops yet let me in steede thereof say for imprisoning so many innocents and murthering the soules of so many in ignorance and spoiling Christs church of so manie glistering and glorious ornaments commended of all for their learning and discommended of none for their liuing Nowa lest anye man shoulde thinke that he writeth these things to popish bishops you are to know that he wrote them vnto such as were bishopps in the raigne of her maiestie vnto bishops prosessing the gospel in name but in deed deniyng the power thereof And in the next page line 10. he hath these words against those bishops and now against himselfe But Christ knowing the bounds of his office would not meddle with externe pollicies translating of realmes and depriuing of true inheritors Now whē he was desired to be arbiter betwixt two brethren he asked not how the plea stood but who made him an officer Diuines me thinkes should by this example not giue themselues too much the brydle and too large a scope to meddle with matters of pollicie as this is whervpon dependeth eyther the welfare or ilfare of the realme If these two offices I meane ecclesiasticall and ciuill be so iumbled together as it may be lawful for both parties to meddle in both functions here can be no quiet nor well ordered common wealth Thus the reader may see what a paterne of hypocrisie this wicked bishop since he wrote this book hath shewed himself to be in taking vpon hi● not onely that calling whiche in his owne iudgement is vnlawfull but also in ioyning those two offices together the coupling whereof he confesseth to bee ioyned as well with the most vile disorder as with the dangerous disquietnes of the common wealth And yet he hath not here left off speaking against bishops Therefore as before in the Epistle hath bin touched he dealeth more roundly with thē page 103 then before in these wordes Come off you bishops away with your superfluities yeeld vp your thousandes be content with your hundreths as they be in other reformed Churches where be as great learned men as you are Let your portion be pristlike not prince like Let the Queen haue the rest of your temporallities and other landes to maintaine these warres which you procured and your mistresse left her and with the rest to build and found schools throughout the realme that euery parrishe Church may haue his preacher euerie citie his superintendent to liue honestly and not pompously which will neuer bee vnlesse your lands be dispersed and bestowed vpon many whiche now feedeth and fatteth but one Remember that Abimelech when Dauid in his bannishment woulde haue diued with him kept such hospitallitie that he had no bread in his house to giue him out the shewe bread Where was all his superfluitie to keepe your pretenced hospitallitie For that is the cause you aleage why you must haue thousands as though you were commanded to keepe hospitallitie rather with a thousand then with a hundred I woulde out countriman Wicklieffes booke which he wrote De Ecclesia were in print and there should you see that your wrinches and cauillations be nothing worth Hitherto you see that this Balaam who hath I feare me receiued the wages of vnrighteousnes spoken in generall as well against the callings of bishops and their vsurping of ciuill offices as against their pride pompe superfluitie Must not he thinke you haue eyther a most scared or a most guiltie conscience that can finde of his heart to continue in that calling yea and in the abuse of that calling which his owne conscience if he woulde but awake it telleth him to be vnlawfull The Lord giue him repentance if he belongeth vnto him or speedely rid his Churche of such a scourge And may not all the former speeches be fitly applied vnto him Is without dout But the next he may be thought to haue written to himselfe which he hath set downe page 34. As if you shoulde saye my L. Lubber of London is a tyrant Ergo he is no Byshop I warraunt you though he graunted you the antecedent which he can hardly denie yet he woulde denie the consequent or els he would call for wiely Watson to helpe him Here brother London you haue crossed your selfe ouer the costard once in your dayes I thinke you would haue spent 3. of the best Elmes which you haue cut down in Fulham and 3. pence halfepenie besides that I had neuer met with your booke But vnlesse you and Iohn of Excetor with Thomas Winchester who haue beene in times past hypocrites as you haue bene leaue off to hinder the word and ver godly men I will make you to be noble and famous bishops for euer And might not a man wel iudge yon three to be the desperat Dicks which you brother London page 29. affirm to be good bishops in England For to allude vnto your owne words page 28.29 Whereas other bishops in the land for the most onely Iohn Canterburie excepted lest they should one day answere for their proceedings vnto her maiestie and gaine the euill will of the noble men and gentlemen that fauour the sinceritie of the gospell will not seeme to bee such dealers as you 3. are though they serue at an inche in their place to maintaine his graces pride and cruelty to stay the course of the gospell and to fetch in men with in the compasse of subscription yet are they those for the most part that will imprison none

and trouble verie few vnles it be for fear that if they should tollerate to much they should haue a checke of their worshipfull Paltripolitan But you three like furious senceles brute beasts dread no perill looke no farther then your feete spare none but with tooth and naile cry out downe with that side that fauoreth the gospel so Fetch them vp with purciuants to the Gatehouse to the Fleet to the Marshalsey to the Clinck to Newgate to the Counter with thē It makes no matter with you I folow your own words brother London so you may shew your selues in shewe though not in trueth obedient subiects to the Queene disobedient traytors to God and the realme Thus farre I haue followed your words howbeit I thinke you are not well pleased w t me because yo● meane not to stand to any thing you haue written Nay you holde it vnlawfull now for a preacher as far as the two tables of the lawe do reache to speake against bishops much lesse any vngodly statute And yet you say page 49. line 7. That prechers must not be afraid to rebuke the proudest yea kings and Queenes so far forth as the two tables of the law doe reache As we see in Samuell Nathan Elias Iohn Baptist many other They may not stoope to euery mans becke studie to please man more then God Thus far are your wordes and they are as farr from your practize as you are from the imitation of these godly examples whiche you haue brought I see a bishoppricke hath cooled your courage for in those dayes that you wrote this book you woulde haue our parliament to ouer rule her maiestie not to yeelde an inche vnto her of their prileadges Your words I will set downe In like manner say you page 53. if the parliament vse their priuiledges the king can ordaine nothing without them if he doe it is his falt in vsurping it and their folly in permitting it wherfore in my iudgement those that in king Henrie the 8. daies would not graunt him that his proclamations shoulde haue the force of a statute weare good fathers of their countrie worthie of commendation in defending there libertie c I assure you brother Iohn you haue spoken many thinges worthie the noting and I would our parliament men woulde marke this action done in King Henry the 8. dayes and follow it in bringinge in reformation and putting downe lord Bishops with al other points of superstition they may in your iudgment not only doe any thing against their Kings or Queenes minde that is behoofull to the honor of god and the good of the common welth but euen withstand the procedings of their soueraigne But me thinks you haue a palpable error in the 48.49 50. page of your booke which is that women are vncapable of the ministerie not in regard of their sexe but of certaine wants and imperfections in their sex vz. their want of learning and corage so that if a woman should be brought vp in learning and trained in disputations were not milder in nature then men of al which wants in women you speake page 48 but knewe their quarter stroke which knowledg you require in the minister page 49 then by your reason they might prech in your di●ces whosoeuer wil read your 50. and 51. pages shal find this to be your iudgment Besides al this the reader shall find such earthly carnal stuff in al these pages that you must needs giue this iudgment of the whole book surely fleshe euen a lump of meere fleshe writ it For there you shall see the Englishe man prefered before other people only because he feedeth vpon and hath in his possession plentie of sheepe Oxen kie calues I keepe Iohn Elmars words Con●es fish and where as other nations feed vpon rootes rawe hearbes oyle grapes c. In the last place against the French King he raileth and outrageth in this wife That Turkish valesius that French tyraunt Is he a king or a diuell a christian or a Lucifer that by his cursed confederacie with the turke Page 113. line 4. O wicked ca●tife fyrebrand of hell And line 8. O foolish Germanes which conspire not together with the rest of christian princes to pull out such a traytour to God and his kingdome by the eares out of France hang him against the Sun a drying The discreet reader of that whiche hath bene spoken may apparantly see the vndiscreete briutishnes that was in you euen then when you were best worthy to be accounted off And thereby may gather what you are now when you haue bidden farewell not onely vnto the synceritie of religion whiche then you seemed to imbrace but euen vnto all humanitie and ciuill behauiour And yet you doe not thus leaue the Frenche king but in this page 113. line 13. You say that the diuel hath none of his side now but him to maintaine both the spirituall the temporall Antichrist in the same page Wherefore seeing he hath forsaken God like an Apostata and solde himselfe to the diuell c. And line 27.28 Proud Holophernes Oh blessed is that man that looseth his life against such a Termagaunt Againe page 114. line 2. but this Iulia the Apostata is named a diuels name Christianissimus Line 3. And like a trayterous Sarazen is Christes enemie● Here he leaueth the French king and here I leaue his booke Nowe I entreat the reader to consider these thinges that I haue set downe out of his booke and iudge whether such things as he wrote coulde proceed from a religious heart and whether the booke be not an offspring proceeding from a lumpe of earthly flesh This booke is almost all the tokens of Christianitie that euer he shewed Since the time he became bishop he hath bene a continuall oppressor of the Churche of God His practises against God and his saintes was the onely cause whie I haue taken this paines with his booke and he shall bee more beholding vnto me vnlesse he leaue his tyrannie But now alas alas brother Bridges I had forgotten you all this while my brother London and I were so busie that wee scarce thought of you Why coulde not you put me in minde that you staid al the whyle But it is no matter we will make the quicker dispatche of our busines You shall see I will bee the more fauorable to you And let me see howe roundly you ouerturne these puritans for you are now to ouerthrow the seuerall partes of their discipline Our brethren say that our Sauior Christ ordayned an holy ministery● of men for the buylding of his Church and prooue the saying by the place of Paule Ephe. 4.11.12 Your mastership 3. maner of wayes shew the place they alleage to make nothing for their purpose First say you Paule speaketh of diuers functions therefore nothing of Ecclesiasticall gouernment This reason brethren is a very sound one if you should denie

scripture medleth with no ciuill pollicie anye farther then to teach obedience therefore it teacheth not what persons should beare rule And again page 44. The ministers office is ouer the soule therfore a minister must not reprehende disorders in the ciuill state page 47. Paules commission is to teache obedience therefore hee hath nothing to doe to call for a redresse of matters in ciuil pollicie yea in this 47. page line 19. Iohn of London hath these wordes which to his commendation I will set downe as followeth And this being a great matter of pollicie sayth he as it is the greatest for it containeth the whole it cannot be within the compasse of Paules commission and so it followeth that Paul in this place ment no such matter as they gather or if hee did he did it without the compasse of his commission c. Nowe truely brother Bridges I thanke you heartily for putting me in minde of this point I hope my brother London cannot be offēded with vs for quoting him for our authoritie I see now it is no maruaile though Paul be put to silence within the diocesse of London for I perceiue there is an olde grudg betweene my Lord and him yet I commende your fatherhood better then his Lordship in this point For in the 57. page of your booke you allowe Paule a larger commission where you say that the worde of God is able to make the ciuill gouernement perfect yea and that the perfection of the ciuill gouernement must be out of the word and in the word inclusiuely But for all this you must giue me leaue to doubt how this reson of yours followeth Christ hath prescribed the inward gouernment therfore he hath not prescribed the outwarde It may be your seconde reason will make the matter more cleare vnto me which is in the same page thus framed We are his Church if we holde fast the confidence of our hope vnto the end Therefore there is no externall gouernment of the Church set downe in the word This reason to omit what ground it hath in the worde is very plausible euen in nature is it not thinke you A man is a man though he go naked Therefore by maste● deanes reason the Lorde hath ordained no couering for his nakednes Again a man is a man if he be once born though he neuer eate meate therefore it is not the ordinance of God he should eat meat Let our cauilling brethren go see nowe what may be brought to reproche the credit of such inforcible proofes M. Doc. doubtlesse will stand to his tackle whatsoeuer they bring If they should be so ignoraunt as to denie the consequent of both these reasons they must stay vntill M. Deane hath read euer his predicables predicaments with fryar Titlemanes rules De inveniendis medijs v● vntil he hath gotten a bishoppricke before he prooue eyther of them And it may be then to that he will prooue what they denie as master Canterburie hath prooued that which master Cartwright confuted In the meane time marke how stoutly M. deane goeth forward And although page 56. he meet by the way with his nowne sweet friend Bellarmines a popish writers distinction of agreeable and not contrarye to the word the papistes affirming all their m●ditions to be agreeable and none of them contrary to the word yet his answere page 57. to the place of Paule 2. Tim. 3.7 is as good and as canonicall as anye of the former reasons concluded thus The place of scripture which doth not denie but that the ciuill gouernement which must be inclusiuely according to the worde may be elsewhere prescribed then in the worde that place also doth not forbid the Church gouernment to be fetched from some other fountaine then the prescription of the worde But this place 2. Tim. 3.7 doth not denie but that ciuill gouernment being a gouernement nor prescribed in the worde may bee learned elsewhere then out of the word and yet be according to the worde Also it doeth not denie but that the church gouernment may be a church gouernment according to the word which is not therein prescribed It is a hard matter I tell you to conceiue all the wisdomnes of this syllogisme For if you marke the proposition very well you shall therein finde the errors as M. doctor accounteth them of Peter and Paule verye notablie ouerthrown The one of them calleth the ciuill gouernement an humane ordinaunce the other affirmeth our sauiour Christe to haue ordayned euery minister and Church officer that were at anye time to be in the Church and to haue tyed the ministerye vnto two ordinarie functions of pastors and doctors But his worship lighting vpon william Woodcockes diuinitie putteth in the propositions both that the Church gouernment is an ordinance of man inuented and ordayned by man and also that there may be as many sortes of ministers in the Church if the magistrate will haue it so as there be degrees of ciuill officers in a common-wealth For the Church gouernement is no more prescribed in the word sayth the deane then the ciuill gouernment is You may see then how headie and peruerse these our brethren are that had rather sticke vnto a poore fisherman and Tentmaker Peter and Paule in a matter of trueth then imbrace the manifest falsehood of so plaine an vntrueth with a fat deane and all the braue spiritual Lordes in the lande Well fare our cleargie men yet who being like the priest whereof Iohn of London maketh mention of in his foresaid booke page 32. line 3. that sware by his priesthood that if the Trinitie were not in his portesse he would not beleeue it will allow of nothing but that which is in the B. of Canterburies Articles be it neuer so often read in Paules writings And I trow M. doctors reasons following wil make the puritans stoope vnto his grace and leaue their peeuishnes and running beyonde their commission after the example of Paule in speaking against any established gouernement yea and a gouernment established by act of parliament I thinke my L. of London gaue Paule inough as we heard before for medling with state matters And his grace admonisheth the puritan preachers often inough that howsoeuer they haue trueth of their side yet they must not runne beyond a law and without law if they doe though they haue Peter and Paule to speake for them yet by your leaue hee hath in his hande that whiche will tame them and all their fa●tors If the abusing of the high commission an whole popedome be able to do it But all this while we go not on forward with you brother Sarum Therefore in the next page let vs here how you fetch your brethren ouer the coales with your next reason whereof trust me I know not almost though it were to gaine a bishoprick how I should make a good syllogisme but I will do my best after this manner It suffizeth that suche orders