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A93769 Marginall antidotes, to be affixed over against the lines of R.H. and E.B. their pamphlet, entituled, The rebukes of a reviler. Written and prescribed by John Stalham of Terling. Stalham, John, d. 1681. 1657 (1657) Wing S5185; Thomason E926_3; ESTC R207582 11,917 15

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Marginall Antidotes TO BE Affixed over against the lines of R. H. and E. B. their PAMPHLET ENTITULED The Rebukes of a Reviler Written and Prescribed by JOHN STALHAM of Terling PROV 26.4 5. Answer not a fool according to his folly lest thou also be like unto him Answer a fool according to his folly lest he be wise in his own conceit LONDON Printed for Edward Brewster and are to be sold at his shop at the Signe of the Crane in St. Pauls Church-yard 1657. Marginal Antidotes c. Their Pamphlet thus Prefaceth page 3. WHereas the ancient of dayes hath appeared c. A transforming mist to amaze the simple Reader pag. 3. 4. 5. 6. as afterwards pag. 18 19 20. Pag. 7. shamelesly stiling the pure light of Christ perverse principle and selfe-adorning-light Quakers adore their own light and magnify natural light as if it were Gospel-saving light this is from the perverse principle of their fleshly wisedome Pag. 8. O! How fain would J. S. sinfull indeed In the sence that Regenerate men have acknowledged see Pag. 149. of my Book entituled The Reviler rebuked Ibid Whether he meanes any one may not I determine not strike them Corporally c. Not any but those authorized and that either Se defendendo or for a criminall offence Pag. 9. Would wickedly make men believe that these mens Tenents sc the Quaker's are as Reprobate stuff as the Jesuites Some of their Tenents I said ' witness their Doctrine of Justification Their blasphemies as horrid as the Popish Parasites Witness Jam. Nayler and his followers Pag. 10. Would have some Stigmatized For their crimes I said not bare opinions which are notorious and grosse seandalous practises Ibid. Who art a reviler of the light of Christ calling it perverse Principle The liberty these men take to wrest adde or detract is hereby evident for I never called the light of Christ perverse Principle but as above in that they set up something in the room of Christ i. e. themselves and their common candle-light of reason which they worship and adore as some have of old the light of the Firmament this self-adoring light is their perverse Principle Pag. 11. In the sight of his Church that his shame may not appear before them The Church here is ashamed of your Doctrines and walkings Pag. 12. All are Reprobates but such in whom Christ is within them Then all the Elect are Reprobates before Conversion Ibid. I ask a proof of this sc Christ's blessing of Infant-Baptisme Many thousands have wil seal unto it Pag. 13. He seemes to charge the Scripture with false Translations The Scripture in the true sence is the believers Rule True Translations may vary in words yet not Deviate from the true sence Pag. 14. His wickednesse appeares by reproching and reviling dead men such as H. N. Jacob B. W. E. This is no judgment in my Epistle pass'd upon the men but upon and according to their Doctrines Pag. 15. Shall the honest Reader receive this for truth that the light of Christ Jesus is a perverse Principle This the fifth time the Answerer hath falsified my sence and words as to this one passage See Antidote upon his page 7. and 10. Ibid. Wee demand what these Jesuiticall plots and designs are we do carry on They are your scattering seeds of Popery and fomenting seeds of division among Protestants and Puritans in profession to carry them more and more back to Babylon Pag. 16. We do not allow that J. S. be our Interpreter Your words compared one Book and page with another and all examined by Scripture interpret themselves which was J. S. his faithfullness to discover how contradictious they are Ibid. His judgment is but out of his old lying heart This is their charity if we confesse we have something of the old man in us to judg that all we write and speak proceed from the old principle and nothing from the new creature Pag. 17. Not in the light of the Spirit do we in any one particular insisted upon by him contradict the Scripture You do not see your contradictions through want of Spirituall light and eyes together Ibid. Out of J. S. deceitfull heart * I shall not retort but pray for all simple Readers and Revilers Pag. 18 19. For as much as many have been moved Another transforming mist and a bold but feigned imitation of Luke Chap. 1.1 c. Pag. 20. And now as the Prophet Joel Prophesied is it come and coming to passe Joel 2 2 3 4. 10 11. An abuse of the Prophet Joel who is literally to be understood in the place quoted and Chap. 2. to be Expounded by Chap. 1. ver 3.6.12 c. Pag. 21. The ground in him and the heart out of which this abundance of words in his book proceeds is the root of all errour see 2d Animadversion upon pag. 16. Ibid. Yet the root of all sin is in him and seen by him not mortified Becaus Paul said there dwelt no good thing in his flesh did he therefore write no truth in his Epistles It followeth as well as these mens reasoning An old Heart and a new are both at the same time not raigning but the old remaining in part and the new raigning over the old in the same Christian See 113. 114. pages of my Book Pag. 22. Such who be in the state as J. S. confesseth he is J. S. said not that he is in the state of sin but that sin the root of every sin is in him and others during the state of naturall Life Pag. 23. The Letter taken strictly being legall c. The Spirit is given by this Not by this but by that part of the word which is the Gospel promise See my Book pag 4. Yet the Spirit worketh by the Legall Letter see how page 6. Pag. 24. Though J. S. say that not one man in the World knows God to be God till he findes him in the Scripture If he had so said it were to be taken in the sence given in my Book pag. 66. but my words are to be read as they are pag. 69. Not one man c. knows him speaking of Christ to be God till he finds him in the Scripture John 1.45 Pag. 25. Again I. S. saith that the Authority of the Scriptures is owned among the Jewes to this day The Authority of Moses and the Prophets I onely speak of see my 13. page Ibid. J. S. saith as deep things as the Spirit hath revealed they are all in the Scripture Answer Nay As Gold pieces of 10. and 20. ● are in the gold One. Ibid. There was things revealed which was unutterable and many things written which is not in the Scriptures as the Book of Nathan the Prophet c. we know by Scripture the e was such things revealed and such Books written see my 17. 18. with 67. pages Pag. 26. Why doth he not as well hear witnesse that Pauls Epistle to the Laodiceans was read as the Word of
may they beg their bread or perish for want This man may as well prove a fals Prophet as false Teacher Pag. 57. If he have not the same Call by the same Spirit as the Apostles had he is no Minister of Christ Are all Apostles or is this man blinded with Pag. 58. God promised to teach his people himself and this man holds forth that he intended it not c. He intended it not onely by an immediate way God teacheth his people himself when he teacheth them by the Ministry of men of his sending Mat. 23.24 Pag. 58. Which Spirit is immediate He comes immediately from the Father and the Son yet gives out himself ordinarily and onely by means of his own appointment Pag. 59. He separates betwixt the words and the voice or breath By voice Joh. 5.37 is not meant breath or Spirit but what you read of Deut. 4 12. Mat. 3. last 17.5.2 Pet. 1.18 Christ distinguisheth between God's written Word and his immediate voice from heaven and yet divides not his Spirit and Breath from either His Word is not his Spirit yet his Spirit is in his Word his voice is not his breath and yet it is not without it Pag. 60. Waste Paper Pag. 61. As if there were two righteousnesses of Christ Yes as well as two natures Ibid. The righteousness of Christ is but one by which all the Saints are justified More truly said then you are aware of Ibid. Acts of holiness c. this is a righteousness of ours saith he Yes in thematter of justification not to be admitted Ibid. Let men see his ignorance Blind men Ibid. Though it be wrought by the strength of Christ in us yet as to justification Paul he saith would not be sound in it This mark again Reader canst thou see any thing here but ignorance The blinded Reader he must needs be whose eies the Lord open then he may see a mysterie of godlinesse in our doctrine and a mysterie of iniquitie in yours Ibid. Mark again What was the converting of many hundred of souls by Paul and many other works of God wrought by him but dung and loss so J.S. holds forth i.e. in the matter of Justification this is ignorance indeed c. None but your Ignoramus's will believe you Ib. The Question is what this honour is that he calls civil When you com to you selvs you will understand it Pag. 63. Neither Major nor minor proved They were proved before in the whole discourse about swearing from pag. 235. to 241. Ibid. They that charge Christ and the Apostles with contradicting Scripture are enemies to God c. but J.S. hath done so ergo When you prove your minor your conclusion may be true Ibid. He charges us that we contradict our selvs which accusation we bear with as much patience as we do his former That is none at all that is visible in your writings Pag. 64. These things I leave with the Reader Wise and intelligent let him be and not one of your Novices Ibid. To deny Matthew Mark Luke and Johns declarations of the Gospel to be Gospel is no denial of the Scripture You neither know what you deny nor what you affirm but go to School in time to Mark 1.1 2. and know what that meaneth Pag. 65. rightly paged The example of Abrahams servant is nothing c. It is somthing to prove my servant may and cought to call me as I am his Master Ibid J.N. doth not say the Letter is the Believers witnesse Where learnt J.N. that the believers witnesse is in himself but from the Scripture see my 245 246 pages Ibid. Joh. 5.39 Doth say the Scripture testifieth of him but it doth not say that he is revealed in the Scripture c. What difference is there between testifying and revealing in this case especially You and your whole sect love to contend about words Pag. 66. The Apostles of Christ did not preach what they had gathered from Scripture Go learn what that Sermon of Paul means Act. 13. and whence he had his Quotations verf. 18 c. vers 22 33 34 35 vers 40. Ibid. In the next he will be proved a false Prophet When the Scripture is found false from whence I preach then I shall be found a false Prophet Ibid. That E.B. compiled a book out of Scripture-Collections is false I supposed you would pretend to it at least who affixe above a hundred Texrs of Scripture to your warning to Under-Barrow Did the Spirit bring every Chapter and Verse to mind and did you read none of the Quorations before vou wrote them Did the Spirit teach you to misapply them Ibid. Neither is this selfe Contradiction to aske which of the Saints had witnesse of their soules union to seek in the Letter and yet to affirme the Spirit opens and brings that which is spoken to remembrance The contradiction is discovered in my 253.254 pag. Pag. 67. Let J.S. first answer the Quere in plainnesse which is an honest Quere The Quere not over honest while put forth in disparagement of the Scriptures was plainly answered in my first Book to this effect The witnesse of a souls union is not in the Letter onely but also in the Counter-pane written in a believers heart See contradictions of Quakers pag. 21. Ibid. Who saith the Spirit is in the Letter See how cleared in the Reviler rebuked page 4. and 254. Ibid. He hath also slandered Christ to be imperfectly holy Christ was none of the Pen-men nor are the Secretaries of the Holy Ghost slandered if judged inferiour in wisedom and holiness to what they wrote Pag. 68. And though we say the Saints teacher cannot be removed into a corner as saith the Scripture and that the Saints will find their Teacher as they lye in their beds both these are true The Scripture saith not cannot but shall not see Isai 30.20 speaking of the teaching Levites Prophets and men of God But if your Saints Teacher cannot but be publicke how will you find him in so private a place as your beds Pag. 69. Rightly Paged Undervaluing words of the pure light of Christ Ibid. It is no contradiction to say that every man is lightned by Christ with the true light * True saving light turns men out of their naturall condition Act. 26.18 and yet to say some men are living in a naturall condition But comparatively in respect of Christ himselfe and Gospel-saving-light Pag. 69. He that lighteth every man c. Is not base beggerly scraps as J.S. it is Learn I beseech you at last to distinguish between the Light-given and the Light-Giver Pag. 70. I would know of him where the Gospel works if not in men's Consciences Albeit Gospel-conviction is feated in the Conscience yet it works about the conviction which ariseth meerly from a naturall Conscience as such see my 266. pag. Ibid. He that can understand that Scripture John 1.5 Shall see the truth c. Whether you understand it or no
let the judicious Reader observ by the context opened in my 54. page Ibid. The rule of the Spirit of God is above the Scripture Asmuch as to say he Scripture is above the Scripture But the naked truth is the spirit of God ruleth by the Scriptures He is above his Rule but the Saints even as such are under it Pag. 71. Let him charge them that are guilty sc for putting off that for redemption light which is but old-creation light That is R.H. and E.B. with men of their deluded and deluding perswasion Ibid. His whole Section I leave to be read in his Book See my 276. p. I understand not this nonsence Ibid. Neither did we ever affirme that Christ is not in the Reprobate and so is not in all Ibid. Neither do we concerning Justification contradict our selves You must take their word for it who will not or cannot try their Doctrines by the Scripture Touch-stone and compare one of their sayings with another Ibid. What would J.S. have said of John who told them they needed no man to teach them The Apostles meaning 1. Jo● 2.27 is vindicated from these men and cleared in my 41. pag. Pag. 74. Though God spake by G.F. to him viz. E. Bor. ough this doth not contradict the teaching of the Sporit of God It clearly sheweth that E.B. had not all by the immediate teaching of the Spirit and still your contradiction holds as I have demonstrated it in my 280.281 pages or if you 'l say and it be your meaning that God teacheth mediately here to bring us to immediate teachings altogether in Heaven and that outward teaching leades to inward and inward to outward while we are here it will argue ingenuity a concession of truth and an eating of former clashing expressions Pag. 73. Rightly paged E.B. doth never say that the light of Christ is natur all and carnall but the light of man Who gave man that light Answer E.B. for your self and others Ib. E.B. Speaks of mans light and J.S. foolishly opposeth him c. Who I ask again gaveman that light Ibid. Neither Christ nor his blood is in Scripture This is your ignorant Blasphemy Ibid. Let it be moved Where and whither If it be moved at the Mouth by Alder-gate let a room be built for it in the Land of Shinar Pag. 74. He saith the Scripture was given by the Spirit for a Rule this we desire a proof of by plain Scripture till then we deny it If any man wil be ignorant and obstinate Let him be ignorant and Obstinate Ib. He saith the Spirit gives out himself by Scripture and yet he saith he never said the Scripture did give the Spirit and this is an absolute contradiction In your apprehension who knew not what a contradiction is and what it is not Ib He saith our possessing perfection and Quaking after Moses example cross shins on the other Professing I said yet I will hold in your languager much more Ibid. But wherein he doth not shew The thing shews it selfe see my first Book page 25. Pag. 75. And yet doth own Prayer in the Spirit and who are moved by the Spirit morning or evening or at meales or otherwise The Spirit moveth to payer as to each other duty by the Scripture-Rule and according to it 1. Thes 17.18 Tim. 4.4 Act. 27.35 Rom 14.6 Pag. 76. And this is truth let J.S. gather what he can from it J.S. gathers that you would engrosse the Spirit to your selves which if it breath in your praiers well hee is sure it breaths not in your Writings Ib. Speaking that which is not in the Spirit we check You check the Spirit in others and grieve the Spirit where it is in any of your selves Page 77. According to the light of Christ Jesus in every man's conscience which is but one in all This helps your nonsence page 71. rightly paged but contradicts what was there delivered Christ is not in the Reprobate Ibid. By these words No Law must be concerning Religion we do not mean that we should not have a Law according to Religion but no Law to limit to or from this or that manner of Religion It appears by this you do not alwaies mean as you speak but it were well your meanings were better then your sayings now learn to write and speak better and we shall the better judg of your meanings Pag. 78. Wee are not they that would have any Magistrates to bind themselves from striking at offenders who are truly able to judge of offences Agreed and then all in my Epistle Dedicatorie charged with lies slanders presumption arrogancy flattery and cruelty will stand good against your charge Ibid. and Pag. 79. As for the rest of his Book sc the Appendiz c. His lyes I do deny from first to 8. Animadversion Here is all along but your nay against my yea Whereof I give too home proof for your patience to bear it Let my Appendix be viewed and reviewed Pag. 79. So that from the first of his Book to his last his whole work is borne witnesse against not to be of God but of the Devill If R H. as it seems by the posture of letters listed himselfe to fight in the Front of the Pamphlet and E.B. in the Rear although they toss and racket my name up and down as a Tennis-ball from the beginning to the end yet they do but beat the Aire and strike at themselves and hurt not me For pag. 50. one saith he pursues me not in every Argument the other saith From the first of my Book to the last my whole work is born witnesse against How these things accord let the Reader judg Now R.H. and E.B. if you can receive the censure of a discerning Christian of no inferiour rank it was this All the reason of this your Book may be put into an Egge-shell and for my part I have no more taste of it except in such few passages where you are reduced to a better explication of your minds then of the white of an Egge Pag. 80 81 82 83. Ah! J.S. against whom hast thou set thy self c To all these four last pages with many other passages in the book it is the King of Heavens commandement Prov. 26.4 not to answer you a word FINIS