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A93576	The hidden things of Esau brought to light, and reproved in an answer to a book intituled A true relation of a dispute between Francis Fulwood, minister of West Alvington, in the county of Devon, and Thomas Salthouse, as it is said, of the county of Westmerland, before the congregation of them called Quakers, in the house of Henry Pollexpher Esquire, in the said parish of West. Published in the truth's defence, and sent abroad in the world, to pursue the unknown authors imperfect relation. By a follower of the Lamb in the war against the Beast and false prophet, known to the world by the name of Thomas Salthouse.	Salthouse, Thomas, 1630-1691.	1657 (1657)	Wing S473; Thomason E912_4; ESTC R204852	26,539	40

unto whom I was moved to lay open the deceit of the blinde Guides Idol-Shepherds such as run but the Lord never sent them hirelings false Prophets deceivers and Antichrists such as divine for money and speak a divination of their own brain of which sort many are gone forth into the world in these last days and perilous times and many have followed their pernitious ways by reason whereof the truth hath been evil spoken of and unless you call the Scripture language railing discourse own your selves to be false accusers for it lies upon you yet to prove what your false Relation affirms Book 1 We hear the Quaker threatens to print the debate himself from whom we can expect no faithfulness therein Answ Your first Reason is grounded on a lye or false information at the best I never threatened nor indeed intended any such thing here your evil surmising appears your clearly manifest the contrary in your selves which you say you could not expect from me for if I had first printed you might have found more faithfulness then I finde at your hands But to me this is not strange seeing it is manifest of what generation you are had you not respected persons you would have done to me as you would I should have done to you and not to have added to nor diminished from my words to make them appear ridiculous to the Reader when you pretend to give a true Relation but your covering is too narrow though you have made haste with your work lest others should have written before that would have dealt equally for both parties Book 2. We hear that some others who did not write say They will lay their heads together and print as much as they can remember which if they should it must needs be done very imperfectly Answ You have left enough for them yet to do if any such intention were before the Relation be perfect and they may either write or print notwithstanding what you have done And if they should give a more imperfect Relation then you have done I shall deny both you and them and stand a witness for God against you all but this I know there is none that owns the truth in the least measure that was present that day though the words were not written that day as they were spoken that will joyn with or approve of what you have done For they may plainly see your unequal ballance and bag of deceitful weights and how you have wrested my words and enlarged upon his as if your works should never have been brought to light or you called in question to give an account thereof but the just God sees you in secret who will reward you openly Book 3. We hear that since we supposed prejudiced persons are ready to say c. Answ That they were prejudiced persons who said so is nothing but your supposition and if they said I had the best they might speak truth for truth prevails against deceit and the Lamb must have the victory There is little reason that what you suppose wonder at or affirm should gain much credit or change their mindes though for the present you have endeavored to cast a mist before the eyes of such as heard not both parties that day to beget a prejudice in their mindes against the truth Book Let none slander us with unfaithfulness in the Relation Answ To say that the Relation is unfaithful and false is no slander It seems you were convinced in Conscience of your guilt in this thing else why did you conceal your names had you given the whole Reason on both sides as you say you did you need not have been ashamed to own it or put it to others that would have remembred more and yet are you so impudent as to call it a true Relation Book Yea the weight of Mr. Fulwoods Answer though extemporary is such that we think we may safely let them loose not onely to what was said that day but to what can be replied upon the deliberation of all the Quakers betwixt this and Westmerland Answ You have manifested your selves in this Relation to the lest of these called Quakers to be proud boasters and to such as live in the light his Answers though with the assistance of his and your deliberation appear to be light and vain although you that are destroyed for want of knowledge and set your selves to contend for and uphold such as cry peace while men put into their mouths say they are weighty and by the assistance and direction of the Eternal Spirit of him who gives a mouth and wisdom to his Children that all their adversaries are not able to gainsay or resist I shall answer to some of his weightest Arguments though it may be not with such cunning devised Fables and excellence of Speech as is pleasing to your ears as cannot endure found doctrine and yet of as much and more weight and use for edification to the simple as your Narrative which you say you have humbly put before them your expressions manifest but little humility Book If any shall print another Narrative let them but be faithful in setting down Mr. Fulwoods own Answers or Arguments in their due weight and fulness Answ Ye Hipocrites will you pull a mote out of anothers eye while the beam is in your own you that would teach others would not you teach your selves it would be but vain repetitions to write his words over again Ought not you to have been faithful first in setting down my Answers and Arguments with the due weight and fulness before you had exhorted others to faithfulness in this particular and then there had been no need of another Relation but the steddy eye as you say of those before whom you put your Narrative might have taken a full view of the truth on both sides as their ears had done before who were present at that discourse Book We know not that we have concealed any thing save some infirmities viz Reproaches and vile Speeches which indeed were such and so many c. Answ Oh you deceitful tongues do you pretend a concealing of infirmities reproaches and vile speeches and yet mention them in general which such aggravating circumstances as to be such and so many as even inforced some of Mr. Fulwoods more ingenious adversaries to say That they wondred that flesh and blood could contain so long under such temptations c. What were those reproaches and vile speeches had it not have been as much Charity to have exprest the particulars as to mention them in general with such aggravations Let that in your consciences witness whether you intended any such thing as to conceal my infirmities and vile speeches if any had been uttered were not those the vile speeches as you mention the discovery of the deceit of the hirelings and false Prophets which if you should have set down would have manife sted the folly and wickedness of him and that generation which you go about to

hide and uphold Book There were some things very remarkable and the cunning craftiness of the Quaker was such That do what Mr. Fulwood could to force him to it he still found some trick or other to evade the maintaining those passages of dangerous consequence which he let fall in his first discourse which were not a few and which he took notice Mr. Fulwood wrote down Answ O ye deceitful Craftsmen and false Accusers what were these passages of dangerous consequence was it declaring against sin and exhorting to purity and holiness to minde the light and take up the Cross and follow Christ in the straight way or was it the laying open the deceit of the false Prophets hirelings and such as say they are Ministers of Christ and are not such as are called of Men Master take the cheif Seats in the Assemblies uppermost rooms at Feasts and whose hearts are exercised with covetous practises and have forsaken the right way and are gone in the way of Cain and run greedily after the error of Balaam for gifts and rewards If he that you call Mr. Fulwood wrote down any thing of dangerous consequence it had been his duty or yours in this Relation to have published them that so they might have been avoided and the Author ashamed for you say this was published out of a sincere desire that truth might be cleared and error ashamed And here you have added another lye to say That I took notice that Mr. Fulwood wrote down those passages of dangerous consequence for I did not see him nor any other write any thing that day of that discourse which I was moved of the Lord to speak not fearing all that came to oppose themselves Although I were sensible there were many that day come together to lie in wait to catch me in my words and if I had seen any write down what I said that day I had no cause to be afraid nor ashamed knowing that I have a witness in all your consciences that heard me even the Authors of his Book though they manifested themselves to be my subtil Adversaries their cunning will deceive them in the end as their deceit comes to be laid open by the light which makes manifest every mans work of what sort it is Book 2. He took all occasions to bring the dispute to such points as lay in difference between us and the Anabaptists that thus he might engage the Anabaptists with himself which indeed he effected the greatest advantage he got that day Answ Have you no other resuge but lies to shelter under what occasion took I to engage the Anabaptists both they and most of the company then present saw the deceit of Francis Fulwood that day and many of them declared against it I utterly deny that I endeavored to engage any further then the truth convinced them neither did I fear any that did engage against me And if the Lord raised up a witness in those you call Anabaptists or any others to contend for the truth against your deceit let him have the glory I admire no mans person because of advantage and if Francis Fulwood lost the advantage that day with your assistance or likely with the help of his Brethren of the Craft he may think to regain what he then lost by enlarging upon his confused Answers and Arguments and diminishing and wresting my Answers Replies and Arguments that day made in the truths defence but neither yours nor the as formed weapons shall prosper your refuge of lies the Lord will sweep away Book 3. That upon every stand or difficulty he continually fled unto the common Refuge of Hireling taking Tithes c. Answ It s a better refuge then lies to flie unto did not the true Prophets Ministers and Messengers of Christ declare against hirelings such as divined for money bare rule by their means sought for their gain from their quarter and against covetous proud heady high-minded men Is Francis Fulwood guilty of any of these If so let him repent in time and turn you from him if not neither he nor you need be offended at me nor account it too grateful a discourse to any Book 4. Although he first urged to have the express words of Scripture to be the rule of the dispute c. Answ You still flie to your old refuge which cannot long stand to wit lies look back to the third remarkable thing as you call it and compare it with this and your contradictions and confusions will appear remarkable indeed Did not you there say that in every stand I fled to the common refuge of Tithes Hirelings Diviners for money c. which are express words of Scripture and are you now so impudent as to say that I did not so much as once keep so exactly to the express words of Scripture Here you have given an opportunity sufficiently to discover and lay open your folly Book 5. Yet his cunning deceived him in that as is most remarkable The very Texts which he urged as before noted afforded so direct and plain Answers upon every occasion that he had no room left for any colourable Reply Answ What can you not open your mouths without lying I need give no other answer to this but appeal to all those that heard the dispute whose judgments are not captivated with prejudice Where are those plain Answers how is it you had not set down some of them in that which you call a true Relation A Reply that had not given satisfaction might stand for a colour but as troups of Robbers that lay in wait to murder by consent you bend your tongues for lies and shoot out your arrows even bitter words Book 6. Lastly And which did justly amaze us how boldly and with what inforcing Repetitions did Mr. Fulwood challenge him to set down his opinions and engage that thereupon he would at the next meeting bring Papists Books c. Answ All opinions and sects I deny neither can I remember at present that I heard him speak of writing down any but my principles what I owned and disowned I freely declared that day which neither be nor you hath or can disprove that dispute being the Fourteenth day of the Moneth called October 1656. I had three meetings the same Moneth one at the house of Henry Pollexphen aforesaid on the Six and twentieth day another the Seven and twentieth at Batson and another the Eight and twentieth at Kingsbridge of which its likely Francis Fulwood had notice For Nicholas Tripe in whose house the Meeting then was informed me that he sent a Messenger to him with a Message to this purpose That if he were dissatisfied in any thing in the forementioned discourse he might have free liberty to come into his house and be answered to what he had to object which was done at my request Let his practise and mine be judged by the Light which is nearer to Popery and who it was that fainted Book The Lord awaken us betime