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A66530 The lying spirit and false aspertions turned home again, or, An answer to two reviling letters about the peoples right to tythes sent to the people call'd Quakers in the Vail of Bellvier by Clement Nedham, a Presbyterian, who writes himself, a farmer in the county of Leicester : wherein I have shew'd according to scriptures, what spirit it was that brought up tythes among the Christians, so call'd : and that those that brought them up since Christ put an end to them were not in their right senses, but were made drunk by drinking of that spirit of error that made them do they knew not what, and consequently their examples not to be followed : with an addition, shewing, that the impropriator hath less right to tythes then the poor or priest, if less can be : with a few words in love to all those that send their sons to those places called universities, with an intent to make them ministers : also a copy of a letter sent to G.N. in manuscript, wherein his unhansom and unchristian-like dealings may be seen : with a short postcript to the reader / by J.W. ... Willsford, John. 1673 (1673) Wing W2872; ESTC R40124 16,433 28

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now it is in my Heart to put thee in mind of thy Unhansome and Unchristian-like Dealings towards us First The Time thou didst send thy Letter to us was when Friends of Clauson where thou didst direct thy Letter were under Sufferings and grievous Threatnings by John Reay Propriator of the same Town whose Envy was and is beyond the Bounds of Christianity And here thou seemest to add Affliction to the Afflicted and to strengthen the Hands of Evil-Doers Again After thou hadst sent thy first Letter I sent one in Love to thee for that End that thy Understanding might be opened to see the Rice and Ground of Tythes and what Spirit brought them up hoping a Word to the Wise might have been sufficient But instead of accepting my Love thou vilifiedst me with Reviling Words as one that seemed to have neither common Sense nor Reason and saidst Thou wast unwilling that the Nakedness of our Pretence to Truth should be exposed to Censures through the Ignorance Folly and Confidence of soweak a Defendent And here thou didst manifest thy Pride as if thou thought scorn to meddle with me much like Goliah the Philistine who defyed Israel and disdained David and then brought forth another Monster more Odious then the first and we being silent a while thou didst put them all in Print and for no other End as I can see but to render us Odious to the whole Nation and to open a Gap for further Persecution For consider After thy many Arguments and pleading Popish Laws thou drawest thy Conclusions That if Ignorance will not nothing else can excuse us before God or Man from being more Criminal then Common Notorious Thieves Further Thou sayest Malefactors do or may suffer Death by Law for stealing things of small account but your Robbery sayest thou is of great Value and consequently the Laws are very favourable towards you A sad Consequence Were ever such Conclusions drawn against an Innocent People Truly when I read them I could not but say There was a Snare laid for our Lives and it brought to my Remembrance the Cruelty of New-England's Persecutors But how Just thy Charge is I hope is or will in due time be made manifest From thy True Friend John Wilsford Who could be glad to see a persecuting Saul become a Preaching Paul I have something further to say in answer to thy Book which if I do hear thou art not satisfied in due time it may come forth seeing thou hast made my Name publick to the Nation Broughton the 3d of the 8th Moneth 1673. J. W. These words above written were delivered into the hands of C. N. the 5th Day of the 8th Moneth A Postscript READER FOr thy better Satisfaction or lest thou shouldst think I have not done fairly in mentioning some things that are done and past do but consider C. N's Wicked Charge and Unhansome Dealings towards me and the rest of my Friends weight them in the Ballance of Equity and then see if I could do any less then I have done or whether I have done any more then to lay the Load on the Right Horse Further consider That notwithstanding Christ Jesus so loved the World as that he laid down his Life for it yet when the Jews rose up in Envy against him he told them how they killed the Prophets and stoned them that were sent unto them as may be seen at large Mat. 23. And likewise when the Jews rose up in Envy against Peter he told them how they crucified and slew the Lord of Life as thou mayst see at large in the Acts Chap. 2 3 4. And John said Rev. 18.6 7. Reward her even as she rewarded you double unto her double according to her Works Some may say Art thou pleading for a Carnal Weapon I answer Nay the Saints Weapons are not Carnal but Spiritual the Lamb's Sword proceedeth out of his Mouth if any man have an Ear to hear let him hear here is the Wisdom and Patience of Saints He that killeth with the Sword must with the Sword be killed And so I leave desiring every one to mind the Light of Christ Jesus which gives a true Understanding of the Mysteries of his Kingdom J. W. THE END
Neither do we find that this was practised any more He further demands VVhat Scripture Example we can shew that any man bought Lands chargeable with Tythes and Refused to pay them Answ It is not hard to guess from what spirit this Demand ariseth but in the Eternal Light it s seen to our Eyes to arise from that spirit that sleights us for sticking so close to the Scriptures I might ask him What Scripture Example he can shew that any man sold Land chargeable with Tythes under a Gospel-Dispensation Again seeing thou pleadest so much for Papists Laws whether dost thou own all to be Right that was brought up by the Papists yea or nay If nay then how or by what must we distinguish betwixt Right and Wrong Good and Evil seeing there is Danger of calling Good Evil and Evil Good and of putting Light for Darkness and Darkness for Light Answer this Question else stop thy Mouth forever There are some frivolous Demands in thy Book but being sufficiently answered by my Friend T. R. I shall pass them by desiring thee to take notice of the latter-end of thy last Letter thou sayest But if the Truth be not on my side in what I have formerly offered or may be offered by those of greater Vnderstanding then none of those Conclusions are applicable against you but must confessedly be returned upon me and those whose Cause I plead Answ The Truth is not on thy side for Christ is the Truth and I do not know that thou hast named either Christ or Scriptures in all thy first Letter only at last thou sayest Farewell in the Name of the Lord. Answ The name of the Lord is a Strong Tower the Righteous flee unto it and are safe but thou hast not fled unto it for Safety and Strength to mannage thy Design but on the contrary hast fled to Popish Authors and set up their Laws above Christ and Scripture and so hast manifested thy self to be more of Antichrist then of Christ So let thee and those whose Cause thou pleadest take thy Conclusions home unto your selves and according to thy words confess them your Dues for we are clear as before is proved Addition THere is a Sense upon my Spirit concerning some who have their Understandings so far opened as to see that Ministers of the Gospel ought not to receive Tythes but they cannot tell what to say to the Impropriators because they are become as Free Estates or Iay Possessions to them Answ Why truly Friends if I were free to pay Tythes I could rather pay them to the Priest or Poor then to the Impropriators my Reasons are Because they are wholely diverted from the use that ever they were given for For Mark When they were given in the Time of the Law they were given for the Poor Fatherlerless Widdow and Priest that there might not be a Beggar in Israel but being Ended in Christ there was Collection among the Saints for the Relief of such as stood in need And I believe they had never come up again had not that Midnight of Apostacy come up yet when they did come up again they were given for the Poor and Priest and for the Use of the Church so called so that I believe although the Gives of them were Blind and Dark in that Matter and their Example not to be followed yet it never was their Intent That they should be Bought and Sold or become as Lay Possessions Hence I conclude That no man hath Right to Receive TYTHES from Another but when they were Ended by Christ they became the Proper Right of the Donors as was the Rest of their Increase Postscript I Have a few words to say in Love to all those that send their Sons to those places called Universities with an Intent to make them Ministers First Whether they think they buy the Gift of God or nay If yea then are not they in the Gall of Bitterness that think that the Gift of God can be bought for Money Acts 8. Secondly If it be not the Gift of God then what is it Thirdly Whether they that Sell the Gift of God for Money are not as bad as Simon Magus the Sorcerer who thought it might be bought for Money And further Be it known unto you all The Lord will not have Ministers of your Choice but he will have Ministers of his own chusing and he will set up his School on the Top of all your Schools and Colledges namely the Teachings of his own Spirit in the Hearts of his People for he is as Able as ever he was to chuse poor Trades-men and to fill them with his Spirit Power and Wisdom and to send them forth to preach the Everlasting Gospel as ever he was though some may say Is it not the Carpentor's Son whose Father and Mother we know I might produce many Scriptures to prove that God and Christ often times chose such as were Unlearned and little esteemed in the Eyes of the World see the first of the Corinthians verse one and Acts four verse thirteen that no Flesh might glory in his Presence And now is the Lord fulfilling his Promises who said In the last days I will pour out of my Spirit upon all Flesh upon my Hand-Maids I will pour out in those dayes of my Spirit and they shall Prophesie I will put my Law in their inward Parts and write it in their Hearts Jeremiah 32. Joel 2. Act Therefore all ye that sleight the Lord's Work at this day which he is doing in and among his People betware lest that come upon you which is spoken in the Prophets Behold ye Despisers and wonder and perish I work a Work in your day a Work which ye shall in no wise believe though a Man declare it unto you A Copy of a Letter sent to CLEMENT NEDHAM Whereunto is added a short Postscript C. Nedham I Find Drawings in the Bowels of Love to write unto thee and desire thee that thou wouldst imploy thy Wisdom Strength ad Pretious Time in and for the Use and service of thy Creator and against Oppression that the poor People groan under even as the Children of Israel did under Pharoah's Task-Masters and not to spend it in and for the Use and Service of the Proud Priests and Impropriators Beast Whore and False Prophet except thou are able to prove They are of God and their Wages Right according to his Law lest thou provest a Servant to the Devil for he is the Root from whence all Evil springs and thou canst not serve two Masters But if thou wilt persist in Opposing the Truth and the Requirings of God's Spirit in the Hearts of his People be it known unto thee That New Jerusalem which is coming down from God out of Heaven prepared as a Bride adorned for her Husband which thou writest against and spendest thy pretious Time to oppose and callest her Light a Pretended Light will prove a Burdensom stone too heavy for thee to Overturn And