feast of Easter Supremacy that they complained when Phocas conferred it vppon Boniface It is an incredible happines which you ascribe to the Roman Church that it neuer fell into heresy when as the n 2. Thes 2.7 mystery of iniquity began to worke euen in the age of the Apostles Then was o Iob. Mar. belg pag 441. Petrarch too blame for calling Rome the Whore of Babylon and p Hist pag. 535. Mathew Paris for saying she was a shamelesse common and prostituted whore Did not Marcellinus commit Idolatry in offering sacrifice to Iupiter Did not Pope Liberius fall into Arianisme when Athanasius stood vppon his right feete I am sure you haue heard that Honorius the first was a Monotholite holding that Christ had but one will and one nature Iab The q Pag. 102. sincerity of doctrine as Ruffinus noteth is the cause that the Church of Rome did neuer add any worde or sillable to the Creede but kept the same intire without addition Ma. Then you graunt as much as we craue that those principall Iewells which the Catholique Church prizest most came not out of Roomes Treasury Me thincks you should blush when you name Ruffinus for how haue you degenerated from that auncient Rome who haue not bene ashamed to add not only sillables but more then eleuen articles to the Apostolicall Creede Reckon them vppon your fingers and you shall neither finde the Popes Supremacy nor Purgatory c. which you haue added as poyntes of like necessity to be beleiued Nick. Then haue they litle affinity with the true Church for r Lett. to T. H. pag. 68. she taketh not vppon her to controll the holy Scripture her mother from whome she drew her first breath She openeth not her mouth till her Mother haue deliuered her minde she commeth not of her owne head with a sleeuelesse arrant Iab You ſ Pag 104. describe the Spouse of Christ as a mannerly young mayd brought vp in Luthers schoole You deserue a t Pag. 106. coate with foure sleeues for this Metaphor which maketh the Church Scripture Daughter Nick. Are these the u Praef. Cumaean sopps you promised take heede least you pluck an old house ouer your eares Such liueries best befitt your indigent followers Let him weare your fooles-coate with fower sleeues that is free of your company You may cutt as large a thonge as you list of your owne hide Ma. The Metaphor is sacred and doth not deserue so ridiculous a weede S. Peter vseth it saying that we are borne a newe not of mortall seede but of immortall x 1. Pet. 1.23 Rom. 10.17 by the worde of God I haue begotten you saith S. Paul y 1. Cor. 4.15 by the Ghospell The Church being begotten and gathered by the worde must not stand vppon tearmes of seniority with her progenitor Iab The z Pag. 107. Church of the old testament was some thousand yeares before scripture the Church of the newe testament did flourish many yeares before any Ghospel was written S. Irenaeus a Pag. 106. 107 writeth that many Churches in his time had neuer read any worde of Scripture yet did they flourish by keeping the Tradition of Christian doctrine in their heartes Ma. A man might pose you should he demaund what proofe you haue for your Negatiue that there were no sacred bookes before those fiue written by Moses seeing he mentioneth a b Num. 21.14 Booke of the warres of the Lord and the c Ioshua 10.13 Booke of the Iust what can you shewe to the contrary why those bookes might not be written by some of the Patriarches Doth not St. d Verse 14. Iude alleadge a testimony out of the prophecy of Enoch Min. Let vs not contend with him for this What if we graunt that the vnwritten worde was more auncient the difference was not in the matter but in the manner It was vnto them being ratifyed by the Prophets and confirmed by extraordinary reuelations in the nature of a written worde And when that worde was expressed in visible Caracters Traditions e Mat. 15.3 were of no longer vse As for the Ghospell it was written before the Race of eye-witnesses was extinct what they preached the same things they registred So that it was one and the f Proliteris spiritus Sancti gratiam se illis daturum repromisit Chrisost bom 1. in Mat. same worde by which the Church in all ages hath bene gathered For as g Euseb l. 3. 20. Irenaeus saith of Polycarpus he deliuered those things which he had learned of them who had seene the worde of life 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 wholy agreable to that which is written The same Father h Irenaeus l. 3. c. 1 also informes vs that the Apostles left in writing to the Church the same Ghospell which they had formerly preached by worde of mouth that it might be a foundation and pillar of our faith yea of that true and liuely saith which the Church hath receiued from them and doth prescribe to her Children As they preached saith S. Hierom. for the confirmation of faith so was it necessary they should write for the confusion of Heretiques Contra insidiosos errores saith S. i In Epist Ioh. 1. tract 2. Augustine voluit Deus ponere firmamentum in Scripturis Seeing then the ayme of Gods spirit in the deliuery of diuine Scripture which is k 2. Tim. 3.15 able to make a man wise vnto Saluation was as Theophilact writeth to preuent haereses pullulaturas what doe they but open a gappe for all heresyes which giue waye to vnwritten vncertayne and vnnecessary Traditions Considera quam sit extremae dementiae saith S. l Hom. 1. in Mat. Chrisostome nos qui primam illam dignitatem perdidimus ne secundo remedio vti velle ad salutem sed coelestia scripta quasi frustrà ac vanè posita dispicere Consider what extreme m Vide Euseb lib. 3. cap. 33. de Papiae Paradoxis traditione fulcitis madnesse it is that wee who haue lost that first dignity of purity should refuse to vse the second remedy for our Saluation by contemning those heauenly writings as if they were giuen in vaine and for no vse Thus in stead of the folly which you obiect S. Chrisostome requites you with the note of no lesse then extreme madnesse Iab Where is the perpetuall n Pag. 104. 105. Virginity of the B. Mother after the sacred birth of the Sonne of God written in the Scripture What is it but à perpetuall tradition of Gods Church S. Augustine saith it cannot be clearly proued out of Scripture that Heretiques returning to the Church should not be rebaptized and yet the Church hath forbidden the same Shall we tearme this prohibition sleeuelesse Ma. The perpetuall Virginity of the blessed Mother is no matter of saluation whether we beleiue it or no. Yet are we of that opinion because as we read not any thing to the
A CVRRY-COMBE FOR A COXE-COMBE OR PVRGATORIES KNELL Jn answer of a lewd Libell lately foricated by IABAL RACHIL against Sir EDVV. HOBIES COVNTER-SNARLE Entituled Purgatories triumph ouer Hell Digested in forme of a Dialogue by NICK-groome of the HOBIE-Stable REGINO BVRGI CIC. Canes aluntur in Capitolio ESAY 19. v. 5. Et Fluuius exsiccabitur LONDON Printed by William Stansby for Nathaniel Butter and are to be sold at his shop neere S. Austins gate at the signe of the Pied Bull. 1615. 2. TIM 3. 6. Of this sort are they which creepe into houses and leade captiue simple women laden with sinnes and led with diuers lusts 7. Which women are euer learning and are neuer able to come to the knowledge of the truth 8. And as Iannes and Iambres withstood Moses so doe the se also resist the truth men of corrupt mindes reprobate concerning the faith 9. But they shall preuaile no longer for their madnesse shall be euident to all men as theirs also was ESAY 44. v. 27. Be drie and I will drie vp the Flouds TO THE READER NOt gentle vngentle nor vngentle gentle but gentle gentle Reader I desire no better Patron for this my rusticke Dialogue then thy fauourable smile Many things passed in this conference which escaped my memorie before I could come to commit them to the custodie of my pen. That which I retained is here published for thy solace and the disgrace of all pamphletting Libellers who strut like braue Gallants till their bombasted stuffings bee discouered and then haue nothing to shew but poore meagre carcases which it would pitie a tender eie to behold With what fidelitie I haue dealt in producing the Aduersaries assertions I must referre my selfe to the indifferent suruey of his booke by which it will appeare that I haue not set him on the racke to compell him to vtter that which was against his minde but tooke euery clause as it did drop of it owne accord from the voluntarie euidence of his penne The method cannot bee so exact as I could haue wished Hee that tracts a Fugitiue must take the By-path as well as the Rode-way Herein could I not be my owne Caruer being ouer-swayed with the current of his Streame For the conueiance of the Dialogue some few formall passages happily are transposed but without alteration either of words or sense If hee complaine of too much tartnesse let him blame his owne thundring which turned my sweet Wine into sowre Vineger Rather then hee shoulde bee troubled with the scratches I haue thought good to bestow vpon him this small cast of my Office for which if he cunne me small thankes I shall yet comfort my selfe with the loyaltie of my seruiceable intention And thus I referre my bold enterprise to thy best censure and these homely lines to thy most fauourable construction Nick. Groome CERTAINE ENCOMIASTIQVE Epigrams prefixed as a Prologue to the Authors Dialogue NIck-Groome thy quill hath flowne so passing well That none denies thy Curry-combe the Bell. If Bellarmine do send his Mare to thee Her necke if not her heart will broken be The head-strong Iade that scornes the raynes and bit Will by thy Art be soone for Saddle fit Ere while we saw this Iabal skittish wild Wincing aloft thy spurre had made him milde Oh how he fumes and fomes in foule despight To see his pride so curb'd by such a wight T is fit the Foole who cannot rule his bable Should find some fetters in the Hoby-stable HOBY MORTON NIck thou sayst ill that Miracles are done Thy lines do proue that they are scarce begunne That Stable-groomes should Iesuites confront As yet was neuer heard in Hellespont Had not some higher Genius thy thoughts inspired Thy Muse thy cause thy credit had beene bemired Nor Hall nor Sichem do such wonders yeeld Their wonders vanish thine hath wonne the field Edmund Langston BY my consent that noble Sydneys verse When thou art dead shall cleaue vnto thy herse If that the man such praise must haue Then what must he that keepes the knaue Idem ad Eundem IF Iabal meet thee Nick thou must to Hell Ther 's now no middle place for soules to dwell T is not the Tygre on thy sleeue shall bayle thee Thy comfort is thy penne will neuer faile thee William Epseley SOme free their friends by purse from Purgatory pains Some by their Oraysons some by Oblations Nick-Groome hath fully clear'd that coast without the graynes Which hallowed bene or other duplications Of Aue Maries or that mumming foppery Which makes the wiser world deride all popery To sacke those walls it cost him not a groat His pen hath set Don Charons barke afloat Anthony Tonstall WHat is this Iabal an out-landish man A Monk a Punck or Pembliconian Simon Fitz-Magus calls him Iason Raguel But he 's more kin to Nabal or Pantagruel Nabal and Iabal differ but a letter Nabal a foole this Iabal little better Iabal is Floud in English Rachil Detraction That notifies his name this displayes his faction Idem IS Iabal Doctor by degree in Schooles If he commenc'd 't was in the shippe of fooles Though neuer grac'd with Lambskins seniority He bleats in corners by the Popes authority Peregrine Hoby Aetonensis THe middle Ghosts twixt Limbo and the Lake Which neither Sunne nor Moone of long time saw Of this thy Knell doe ioyfull notice take They showt to see their Iaylor prou'd a Dawe Iabal their Iaylor being put to flight They all breake loose from shadowes of the night GILES DABITOT WHen Rome shall heare of Purgatories Knell Nick will be curs'd with candle book and bell His Curry-combe will be adiudg'd to fire O happy Nick to be a Martyrs Syre They hardly shall whether they blesse or curse Make Nick much better or his lines much worse He tooke a lucky time his booke to vent T is thought the Pope hath all his curses spent Robert Flint twice Maior of Queenborough HOw many tongues speakes Iabal fiue at least His lying tongue doth farre surpasse the rest He lies in English Latin French and Dutch Whether he speake or write he lies that 's much IARCAS PARSONS HE that Triumphs before the field be wonne May be led captiue ere the fight be done Sawest thou how proudly Iabals Charret vaunted My fellow Nick hath now his courage daunted Nick tyes him to the racke thus fortunes alter Nick clippes his mane Nick leades him in a halter Tho. Cooke MY trusty Nick thinke not that I collogue I do protest I like thy Dialogue Thy Matter Method and thy pleasing straine Haue let the Brauo bloud in th' Antique vaine Thy Curry-combe hath iust as many notches As Iabals pybald Coxcombe Iagges and scotches Thou shalt haue passage to the March-beere barrell For foyling Iabal in thy Masters quarrell Sim. the Butler SOme say that Iabal hath a Swinish looke And others say he wrote a dogged booke I rather thinke it was a Hogge that wrought it And wot you why t was Chaunce our dogge
patronized k Pag. 180. Barbarity downe on thy marrow-bones prostrate thy selfe at the foote of this thy valorous Champion borne in l Pag. 171. Margent Brinitania who hath stretched his fiue wits on the Tenter-hooks to maintaine thy worth T is great pitty that this lusty Iuuentus came so raw from the ferula had he continued a little longer at School by this time he would haue made the Welkin roare Ma. I know not how other men stand affected for my owne part I haue euer held that Fidler worthy to bee turned out of doores among the rascall company though he haue a badge on his sleeue as broad as my hand who still harpes vpon one string and dwells vpon one tune be it the best horne-pipe that euer Lincoln-shire affoorded Doth not one harsh bleating voice disgrace a whole quire Doth not one vnsauory hearb giue a relish to the whole pot of pottage A discord I grant may be admitted with some grace but not continued without some intollerable disgust In a word if one flye mar a boxe of sweetest ointment I cannot see what credit this multiplicity of Spiders Cobwebs Flyes can bring to Iabals booke Nick. I hope we shall find better stuffe in the rest how doth he shake off the flyes they sticke I feare so close to his skin maugre his m Pag. 11. Neapolitan perfume that they will hardly out of the bone Min. He n Pag. 15. blusters mainly that the Knight shold crie Fie vpon his genericall and accidentall Christning of Bells relatiue honour of Images and metaphoricall diuision of the Kingdome betweene God and the Virgin Ma. Is he so impudent as to stand in the defence of these vncouth and ridiculous fopperies which can shew no other pedegree but heathenish folly and Idolatrous superstition to countenance them from exploding contempt Min. As touching the first practise he doth not say that Bells are o Pag. 15. Formula baptizandi campanas apud Durand de Rit lib. 1. ca. 22. Christned but that the Blessing of bells hath some genericall similitude with the Christning of a Child Ma. Whether it be a similitude or an p Tantundem dat tantidem Identity I am not so cunning a Logician to distinguish It skils not much how they please to tear me it who are driuen to their shifts in seeking some colourable mantle to shroud it from the inglorious note of heathenish bastardy The question is quo iure what warrant he hath for this genericall similitude which he confesseth betweene the Blessing of Bells and the Christning of a Child Min. Nay there he leaues you to your own search If you can neither find Scripture Father nor ancient Councell to warrant this practise hee meanes not to be your Informer It sufficeth him beeing betweene Hawke and Buzzard to turne it ouer with a witlesse and vnciuill iest which he deuideth betweene his old familiars the q Pag. 15. Buzzard and the Asse Nick. I haue heard some say there was once much adoe about the r Eras Adag shadow of an Asse but there beeing store of that breed at Doway Iabal is now growne so nice that he will not be seene vpon the backe of his olde animal wherefore the poore wearied Asse is faine to ride him Ma. T is pitty they should part companies yet did I neuer see man more troubled with the mare in his sleepe then Rachil is at mid-day with the Asse of whom he grones to be disburdened Faine would he haue the Å¿ Pag. 16. Printer beare part of his luggage but seeing it is now more then a yeere and a day since the Lazi-as was found as a stray and cryed in open Mart by Rabshakeh the custome of the Mannor secundum vsum Sarum makes it his owne without cutting off either mane or t Pag. 47. tayle Min. My masters I am glad to see your wits so frolicke yet I must needes say it is but Lex talionis besides his reasoning approoues more then you say For admit a Venetian Pander should put on the Popes robes his Triple Crowne his slipper come with S. Peters keyes sit downe in the Conclaue on the Chayre appropriated to his Holinesse and that he should in his passage be saluted by the Vulgar as Pope bearing those ensignes with which that Deity alone is dignified Should he not be sure to be called Coram and pay deare for this his genericall and accidentall resemblance Will it serue his turne to say Alas no man heard mee say that I was Paulus Quintus I did but weare his vestiments and a little counterfeit his state Nick. I will giue him my word hee shall finde it better to play the Deuill then so to immitate the Pope Ma. The case is of the same nature The blessing of Bells is no lesse presumptuously accompanied with the sacred rites and ceremonies of Baptisme yea with greater solemnities then the Christning of Children so that the Laye people know not how to distinguish them Now marke how Iabal playes the Pandar he doth not say that u Pag. 15. Bells are Christned onely this The blessing of Bells hath some generall resemblance with Christning Neither is the Venetian Pandar Pope though habited like the Pope Shall he not be sure to haue this peale or the like rung in his eares by one * Eunâ—ch Act. 3 Scen. 5. Antipho or other Quo pergis ganeo vnde emergis vestitum hunc nactus quid tibi quaeris Satin ' sanus quid sibi hic vestitus quaerit I haue so charitable an opinion of Rachil that his reuerent respect to the Primate of the Romish Sea would make him say Fye vpon such a Pope Yet see how blind deuotion ouer-swaies th'equity of his iudgement in the like hee quarrells with the Knight for saying Fye vpon your genericall and accidentall Christening of Bells Nick. Sets hee no better glosse vpon his relatiue honour of Images Min. He begs the question and wonders any man should be so x Pag. 16. dull not to vnderstand that which euen children conceiue that honour done to the Image is no iniury to the person or that a Christian will deny to Christ in his Image what any honourable person may challenge to his y Pag. 17. You saith hee that crye fie vpon the relatiue honour of our Sauiour in his Crosse how would you haue snarled at the noble Ladies of the Primitiue Church that did licke with their religious tongues the dust of that thrice Venerable Relique z Pag. 18. O glorious cause which by such Epicureans is impugned who worship Bacchus or Cupid in their Chambers Nick. In their Chambers T is well he hath gotten the ground of Imaginary Chamber-worke to support the glory of his superstitious Church-work Ma. It would make any pious breast bleede to recount those infinite and strange pollutions wherewith their religious houses haue beene as appeareth vpon authentique Records monstrously infected I hope our chambers compared with their
without any scarre Nick. I pray you what likenesse is there between Sacer dotes and Scortatores yet as I haue heard my master say in one Edition of the new Testament set out at Coleyn in steed of these words h 1. Cor. 6.9 Neque Scortatores regnū dei possidebunt he hath found it thus printed Neque Sacerdotes regnum dei possidebunt I hope you will not challenge the Printer for allusion to your olde trade I perswade my selfe it was his misprision though some haue thought hee did it to cry quittance with his wiues Confessour I hope this was more then the change of one poore sillable the tayle of the g being the same with a Romane s and a running o. not vnprobably to be supposed to haue lost the head of a d. through hast of a speedy pen. To put vt for at is no such capitall crime Ma. You should rather demand of him what likenesse there is between 34. and 42. 169. and 168. 176. and 172. Such errours are so frequent in his booke that it must of necessity cause wrong quotations yet in my conscience I do not thinke the Doctor was accessary to these or the like scapes wherewith his lines doe abound T is like the Printer thought hee had no great good match of your booke Had hee not misdoubted the currant sale thereof hee would haue had a more vigilant eye ouer the presse this his presage made him put i Pag. 63. N. 43 lin 6. giue for deny k Io. lin 8. Indeleble for vndeniable l Pag. 92 N. 3. Edition for Reddition m Pag. 101. N. 13. Deuised for deuided n Pag. 52. N. 29 long for low o Pag. 129. N. 6. Ioyned for moued p Pag. 180. N. 27 Burned for drowned q Pa. 40. N. 15 was for his old seruiceable attendant As. The surplusage and defect of many other words giues vs iust cause to suspect either the Printers care or the Authors skill so that you may well winke at such small faults as the scape of a Monosyllable or two Iab Why r Pag. 42. should he make his Inference in Latin writing in English what English Author vseth that idle manner of Writing but himselfe Min. As if a Schollar being in his owne Element may not be easily carried away with a strong imagination that he is in the Schooles especially writing to a Schollar about Theologicall questions This I haue many times obserued in the Knight that it is yrksom vnto him to write any thing Verbatim which hath passed his penne before neither doth hee without vrgent necessity render that authority in English which hee hath quoted in Latin All wittes haue not the patience alike to endure the repetition of the same things and such for the most part take that first which first offereth it selfe and may bee dispatched with fewest Characters taking vp the least roome Ma. Whether his Inference were in Latine or English it is litigium de forma I am sure he vouched S. Hieromes ſ In praef lib. Sal authority that the Church read the book of Machabees for the edification of the common people but receaued them not amongst the Canonicall Scriptures for the authorizing of Ecclesiasticall decrees which was as much as the Knight intended by secluding them from the Canon of Faith Iab This is nothing to the purpose t Pag. 43. to proue S. Augustine did reiect them who might bee contrary to S. Hierome in this point not beeing then defined by any generall Councell Ma. S. Hierome contrary to S. Augustine Is not this goodly Rhetorique to draw the Ladies to build their faith vpon the writings of the ancient Fathers Is there any more then one truth Either the booke of Machabees is Canonicall or not You say S. Augustine auerrs it wee proue that S. Hierome Lyra Brito Rabanus Caietan c. deny it Whom shall your Creatures beleeue Will you suffer them to haue such reeling and tottering Consciences Iab u Pag. 44. Caietan whom he citeth iumps not altogether with your conceit and though he did his sayings are not oracles with vs. Min. This kind of disputing will neither get you a Miter nor a Cardinalls Hatte Set you so light by the head-men of your parish Good Dctour let vs know to whose verdit you will stand dare you say to S. Augustines are all his sayings Oracles in your Church Nay saith x In Act. Apost cap. 1. p. 9. a. Lorinus Augustinus incertum putat an Iste Theophilus idem sit cui Lucas Euangelium et Acta nuncupauerit Atqui res certa videtur The Diuines of y 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 De Trinit l. 9. c. 2. in Marg. Louane lay Sophistry to his charge So likewise writeth your Iesuite z Comment in Iohan. 6.53 Maldonate Augustini et Innocentij primi sententia fuit quae sexcentos fere annos viguit in ecclesia Eucharistiam etiam infantibus necessariam esse quae tandem ab ecclesia reiecta est The opinion of Augustine and Innocentius the first which was receiued in the Church well nigh sixe hundred yeares was this that the Eucharist was necessarily to bee ministred vnto Infants which at length is reiected by the church Negare non possumus saith a In Thom. disp 154. cap. 2. 3. Vazquez praedictam opinionem fuisse Augustini et Fulgentij a qua non multum Gregorius Magnus abhorret tamen meo iudicio probabilior eos nulla alia paena quam damni id est priuatione beatitudinis puniri Albeit we cannot deny that b Ser. 14. de verb. Apost et l. 5. cont Iuliā c. 8. Aug. and Fulgentius did teach that Infants dying without Baptisme did presently descend into the place of the damned to be sensibly tormented in hell-fire yet notwithstanding in my iudgement it is more probable that they vndergoe no other punishment then the losse and priuation of beatitude The like censure doth c Concor Euang tom 1. lib. 7. ca. 8 Barradius passe vpon Euthymius Hocloco saith he Euthymius non recte de Virgine sanctissima haec scripsit Non credidit sicut Zacharias c. Procul a Christiano pectore et auribus huiusmodi sint verba Thus doth your Church spunge out the opinions of the ancient Fathers vpon whom you seem so stedfastlie to relye Ma. Then it seems the matter is not great what S. Augustines opinion was touching the Legitimation of the Machabees seeing his words are no Oracles euen with the Doctors of the Romish Church and the rather because the booke according to Iabals confession was not then naturalized by the consent of any Occumenicall Couacell Nick. This is a prettie slight The Fathers are but as feathers when they doe not stick to the Popelings I trow Saint Hierome shall find more fauour at your hands Iab Saint d Pag. 43. Hierome may seeme to speake acoording to the opinion of the Hebrewes as hee vseth to doe not in
sets out the u Preface Oliue branch for a signe but his vessels are full of gall and wormewood within Min. If we may take his owne word in his owne worke it is the gentle sound of a solid answere * Preface It is a purgatory sallet to purge his prophane humours made of fiue medicinable hearbs wherein he hath powred the oyle of charitable exhortations mingled with the vineger of sharpe reprehension yet so sparingly that it cannot be displeasing to his tast Nick. If hee had presented him with the iuice of Rue and skymd hony it had beene more proper for the dimnesse of his sight It seemes he hath not been brought vp vnder an Apothecary but rather in a Cookes shop he is so cunning in dishing out this saucy Allegory Min. What will ye say then to this I haue done my best to x This Allegory was beaten in the mortar of malice with the pestle of his pestilent wit Ouerth p. 52. quench the fire which flashed from the bramble bush of your distempered thoughts not with cold water of a dull deniall nor with the oyle of sinners which might increase the flame by soothing you in your errour but with wine and sugar I hope you will not taxe this to be broken-winded Nick. I promise you an excellent close Had my master such a Skull in his kitchin that would quench the fire with wine and sugar the Vintners and Grocers would soone share his lands his y Pag. 27. patrimony would then be in a dangerous consumption indeed Min. Nick you are somewhat too quicke his honest meaning is to bee accepted yet if I haue any iudgement hee is more elegant in one leafe of this booke then in all the other he wrote before Ma. Marry hee may thanke Sir Edward for that whose phrases are so interlaced throughout the whole discourse that Rabshacheh his stile may seeme to haue put on her holli-day coate Nick. This one thing I heard a Gentleman of good quality obserue that hee hath an extraordinary gift in the retorting of conceipts And withall protested that he thought Ishmael was begotten on the side of a hill he so returns word for word like an Eccho Min. The truth is the poore man hath a very weake stomacke hee casts vp whole periods as they went downe without digestion or alteration Ma. If I were his Phisition I would prescribe him a cup of wine and sugar next his heart for what with his watching weeping and z Pag. 113. whipping he hath a very bad stomacke and a worse braine Nick. He ill deserues it who measures other mens liquor by the shallow panne of his owne wheeling skonce If hee breake his fast with nymble-brained Wilson somewhat more liberally hee strait fumbles in the mouth and tumbles out a double a Preface foole in euery answere according to his simple folly Min. He was not then mistaken that did Hierogliphick him by the name of Rabshacheh which vpoÌ„ long search he hath found to signifie b Pag. 34. Multum Ebrius as much to say as Cozen German to Floud the Ignatian who hath in his time made more razling Indentures then the best Scriuener in Doway or St. Omers Nick. Yet as flustred as hee was when his wench told him that he kissed like a Clowter hee could text her with Labia Sacerdotis custodiunt sapientiam And when shee pleaded that it went against her heart he could protest by the faith of a Catholique not to come within a c Iust the length of a Tobacco Pipe foote of her conscience Min. It seemes indeed he speakes not by guesse like a Nouice but as one beaten to the trade by experimentall proofe when he saith I know that the custome of men that are d Pag. 56. tipled is when they stagger themselues to thinke that Churches and the very heauens reeâ—e about them Marke how feelingly he speakes euen of the thought Ma. Let him be what he will this is no fit Court to draw his Inditement hee will trauerse it with an Appeale Let vs rather heare how he bestirs himselfe for Purgatory Min. Nay by your leaue Sir his Apology touching the exceptions in the Counter-snarle must haue the precedence This hath he cunningly in his first chapter prefixed to a worke by good probability long studied against the Knights first letter some sixe yeares since directed to Mr. T.H. Ma. Bee it as it list seeing wee are come as Auditors to sitte vpon his account let vs first see his charge and then his discharge Min. Indeed equity her selfe cannot prescribe a more indifferent course then this There is great reason your fiat should stand in these praecincts Nick. No doubt he hath placed a Lion in the fore-front to make the better way for the Marshalling of his weaker and more heartlesse troopes Ma. If he haue the least dramme of Rhetoricall Chiualry he will be sure to put the best e Mallem exercitum Ceruorum duce Leone quaÌ„ Leonum duce Ceruo legge formost Min. You are both wide in stead of a Lion hee hath committed the conduct of his forces to Reynald the foxe whom hee presents on his paper stage with a Target to shield him from the imputation of vttering any thing to the Knights reproach Ma. It must be a nimble Foxe that can shift off so many palpable wrongs hee had neede haue his ioynts thoroughly annointed with the oyle of leazing Min. Doubt you not that his poynts are well tagg'd with fraud And first as if hee good man meant nothing but pure deuotion hee deplores the hard hap of his infortunate treatise in falling vpon so vndeserued misconstruction wishing that the few lines which concerned the Knight had beene read by him when he was fasting Nick. Hee were a wise man would loose a good Breakfast for better repast then I could euer discouer in his Larder It seemes his booke is somewhat a kinne to an Apothecaries drugge which requires the attendance of an houre-glasse and a Spanish seruicio Hee that dares not but allow a certaine number of Psalms in our Ladies Psalter to be read after supper is angry if his owne lines bee perused when a man hath dined If there bee any such danger in taking his receits vpon a full stomack he should haue done well to prescribe both diet and time Ma. Vndoubtedly hee hath a reference to the wine and sugar mentioned in his Preface which liquor he saith the Knight loues well This holy water runnes from his pen in such aboundance as if he had Bacchus his tunne for a Standish hee dreames of no body but f Pag. 94. Ennius who in his merry veyne wrote more wise sentences then euer issued from Rabshacheh his most sober thoughts heerein he displayeth his folly or rather his malice in the highest degree But the best is he is like to purchase as much thanks of the iudicious Reader by this his iniurious scandall as Sophocles his vngracious Sonnes got
by traducing their old Father for a g Quaesâ—â—it num illâ—d carmen desipâ—ntis Cato Maior Dotard and so vnfit for the management of his estate The Knight is able to shew him more then a Tragedy to wipe away this blurre where Malice is the prompter you must imagine Impudency will deliuer a good euidence Min. h Math. 11.19 Ecce potator vini i Act. 2.13 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 are no new inuentions nor grounded truths as if a Gentleman cannot drinke a cup of wine but hee must instantly be as wise as staring k Iudic. 9.36 Gaal The Knight is of an affable and pleasant disposition yet hee comes not alwaies vp to Hilary Tearme Vlisses was no Plough-man though once for a priuate end he fained himselfe a Rusticke and put his hands to the share Cato was vpbraided for being all night in a l Stapleton Prompt Moral tauerne but how did hee answere for himselfe You should relate quoth he how many daies before I spent at my booke and neuer budg'd out of my study Ma. Ishmael cannot heare with that eare Hee should haue shewed more discretion in shaping his credulous Censures according to the prescript of this direction had he Itemd the lampe oyle as well as hee summed the Spanish wine his intruding curiosity would haue passed with lesse blame Nemo omnibus horis sapit Hee that is lumpish at his meales will proue but a slug in his more serious affaires Nick. I am sure the old Frier was of your minde in this for handling those words m Iohn 2.3 Vinum non habent He made his diuision thus Here is first vinum ibi optimus liquor Secondly non habent ibi pessimus clamor Ma. Gra-mercy Nick I perceiue thou hast not left all thy Latine shreads at home But I would gladly know what the Knight mistooke in the perusall of his discourse that he should be thus charged with an inconsiderate suruey Min. The Knight if you be remembred tooke it in ill part that hee was taxed by the Cecropidan for want of learning wit valour and conscience as also with the surplussage of selfe-conceit Ma. And can hee either blame the acceptance or deny the cause which is yet extant vnder his own hand Min. Yes hee forsooth doth not simply derogate from the Knight in any of these but comparatiuely matching them together giues the precedence where he thinks he had most cause I did n Pag. 2. diuide saith he the three degrees of comparison betwixt your three most commendable qualities Valour Learning Witte I gaue the positiue to your valour The comparatiue I did assigne to your pen· To your wit I did reserue the superlatiue degree my conceit did without fraude sincerely aime at your praise If I did o Caecus non iudicat de coloribus preferre your wit Learning before your Valour you haue no iust cause of offence Ma. Were there no more but this it is more then common Ciuility can well warrant had hee not bin ill tutord hee might haue learned that comparisons are odious Might not the Knights commendable qualities say vnto him Quis te constituit iudicem inter nos The question de primatu was not allowable amongst the Disciples In this case p 1. Regum c. 3. v. 26. diuidatur shewes little care of the whole The Poet might haue informed him Quae non prosunt singula iuncta iuuant he that hath but an vnce of each of those former properties wants not a graine of a worthy man So that by sundring them he labours to lessen their esteem and by disparaging that which he seemes to hold in highest regard hee plainly nullifies the repute of the rest Min. Hee that hath but halfe an eye may easily perceiue his comparatiue praises to be indeede priuatiue disgraces as you may see by his q Peiora nouissima primis Comment vpon his owne text For wheras he stiled the Knights booke an vnlearned Letter he now explanes himselfe that the want of r Pag. 9. Philosophicall and Theologicall verities occasioned that censure Å¿ Pag. 11. The learning saith hee with wâ—nt whereof I charged your Letter is neither Pernassian nor Poeticall nor Prophane but Sacred Holie and Deuine Ma. Is this the comparatiue degree wherewith hee dubs his pen Est aliquid prodire tenus seeing Rabshacheh will afford no more t is well wee haue this But such a Boone is not like long to be enioyed I feare Rabshacheh repents himselfe already of his seeming bounty For as if his pen had beene ouer lauish hee doth interpret the Pernassian learning formerly acknowledged to signifie t Pag. 12. Fustian phrases u Pag. 15. nullity of iudgement without any mediocrity of Logicke * Pag. 13. a slippery veyne of writing x Pag. 36. impertinent and ridiculous annotations y Pag. 12. language that must haue a Parliament to naturalize it z Pag. 16. witlesse cauils a Pag. 169. babbling able to make learned mens heads ake b Pag. 126. speech not so wise as the braying of Balaams Asse c Pag. 2. agaudy stile d Pag. 36. a head blanke without matter defiling nay e Pag. 4. loading his margent withall manner of impertinent stuffe as f Pag. 35. vulgar sentences g Ibid. triuiall verses h Ibid. childish authors i Pag. 127. reeling tottering and k Pag. 35. ridiculous phrases seruing only to wast inke and to blurre paper Nick. I promise you he hath mended the matter well these milde censures are able to raise l Pag. 2. fus of choler Is this the Pernâ—ssian Lawrell with which hee is content to crowne my Masters temples Is this the tune which the m Pag. 9. poeticall sisters sing in Apolloes quire then may the gingling of my Curry-combe passe currant for reasonable good melody I easily beleeue hee went n Ibid. young from Helicon who can no better iudge of those Christall streames Ma. If a man should giue Floud this attribute that he is o Ibid. tam Philosophiae quam theologiae peritus which bearing a double construction may be warranted albeit he haue beene scarce seasoned with the Principles of eyther Science and so a Dullard in both how could he but hold himselfe ill handled if afterward the same party should tell him that he shewed more foolery then Philosophy more Dunsery then Diuinity But the best is as I heard the Knight once say he makes no more reckoning of his praise in giuing him that hee had not then of his dispraise in taking from him that he had as hauing neither more nor lesse for either of both Min. Yet this comes short of Rabshacheh his equiuocating straine For did hee sincerely ayme at the Knights praise in his grant of Pernassian learning why doth hee then gainesay it in those his contradictory imputations or did his mentall entendment seeke the disparagement of the Knights learning as now
manner of worship and adoration Adorare Imagines omnibus modis deuita In any case saith he beware thou worship not Images o Polyd. Virg lib. 6. Inuent c. 13. S. Hierome if Polidore may be credited assignes the reason Ob metum Idololatriae for feare of Idolatry which by this meanes hath spred it selfe too farre among the ruder sort Ma. Then I perceiue the distinction of relatiue and improper honour is hatched onely for an euasion least they seem to oppugne Antiquity by their idolatrous practise Min. The ghostly Fathers the Priests haue long sate vpon it but yet it is not fledge p Lib. 2. de Imag c. 21. 22. Bellarmine mars all that they haue made he allowes more then relatiue honour Imagines Christi et Sanctorum saith he venerandae sunt non solum per accidens et impropriè sed etiam per se proprie c. non solum vt vicem gerunt exemplaris The Images of Christ and of his Saints are to be worshipped not onely accidentally and improperly but simply and properly that is not onely as they are resemblances of the Prototype but as they are considered in themselues On the contrary q Non tantum si quis preâ—es simulachris offerat verum etia cum id aliquis simulat Aduers Celsum lib. 7. vt Cassander consult Art 2. pag. 153. Quid te ad falsas imagines inclinas Quid ad inepta simulachra corpus in curnas c. In supernis Deum quaere vt carere inferis possiâ— Claud. Taurinen aduer Theodem Origen holds it no better then a foolish and adulterous Prophanation euen outwardly to seem to worship an Image How is it possible to set these agreed that are so much at ods Ma. I do not finde that the Cherubins hauing a diuine and speciall institution were euer applied by the Iewes vnto holy worship wherfore there is lesse colour for this relatiue honour of Images whose erection is arbitrary whose forme hath little or no certainty whose r Quid inter se tam contrarium quam StatuariuÌ„ dispicere statuam adorare Senec. in Moral makers are persons contemptible and of small regard Min. Now you speake of the forme of these Images you put mee in minde of the confession of their owne Stapulensis who in his booke De vna ex tribus Maria writes thus Fateor equidem libere picturae aliquot caenae Domini mihi displicuere et etiam ea quae nisi memoria me fallit visitur Mediolani c. I doe indeede freely confesse that I haue beene sometimes scarce pleased with certaine pictures of our Lords Supper euen with that which if I be not mistaken is yet to bee seene in a certaine Monastery at Mediolanum not that I disliked the Painters skill which was very rare but because he kept no good decorum Quandoquidem Iohannem magis puellam referentem quam virum et quam Apostolum ad Christi latus collocauit Forsooth hee placed Iohn by Christs side more like a maide then a man or an Apostle Nick. We haue the like picture in our Parlour at the Black Friers but I warrant I should haue looked vpon it till doomes day before I should haue noted that Quirke I promise you Faber shewes himselfe a right honest man to let them see their owne Incongruous absurdity Ma. In my opinion Iabal should haue done well to haue specified the extensiue and intensiue degrees of this relatiue honour for I haue beene informed by sundry trauellers landed in this Port that one and the same Saint hath not alwaies one and the same degree of honour beeing more or lesse respected with concourse offerings and adorations according to the Å¿ Credunt eas sanctiores quae pretiosiores trimnesse of the forme richnesse of the matter or the celebrity of the place wherein the statue is erected Nick. This is right like one of our neighbours Girles if the Baby haue not the holliday partlet all the fat is in the fire she is in the powt all a mort Min. Such is the simplicity of ignorant people they are carried away by these impostors with outward shewes which made the poore Clarke in Saint Omers secretly to remooue the picture of the blessed Virgin from an obscure seate into a more conspicuous place of the Church making as if the picture had in discontent of the former neglect remooued it selfe to a Site fitter for adoration He saw there was no other feate but this to improoue his vailes Ma. And had not Auarice whispered in Rachils eare his pen would not haue beene halfe so violent in the defence of this heathenish and relatiue honor wherein hee shewes himselfe no lesse sencelesse then the braine-lesse pictures for which hee is hyred to plead Min. Well at length wee are arriued at Puddle wharfe I meane at the last Fye In this squeamish veine saith he you cast a Fye vpon my saying that by Metaphor God may be said to haue t Diuisum imperium cum Ioue Diua tenet deuided his kingdom with the Virgin What if I had said God had giuen her his whole Kingdome his Throne Scepter that Christ in person did wait on her sitting at the table of glory how would your Carre haue beene madde at these Metaphors Nick. My Master thought hee had to doe with a Diuine but I perceiue he hath met with a bangling Sophister Ma. It seemes Iaball hath not yet put his u Pag. 112. nose into the sweet cup of Gods glory who hath so dull a sent in winding heauenly things Min. His argument is drawne a minore ad maius and carries this sence If all the faithfull seruants of God shall bee partakers of this so great honour then much more that glorious creature who hath a preheminence aboue them all But Christ hath promised the society of the faithfull not onely to * Luc. 22. v. 29. Dispono vobis sicut c. appoint vnto them a kingdom as his Father had appointed to him but also to make them sit x Luc. 12. v. 37. downe at Table to come forth to minister vnto them Therefore the Virgin may be saide to haue his whole Kingdome Scepter and Throne Ma. If this collection bâ—e good euery Christian shall haue the like Soueraignty for this Charter as farre as I perceiue runnes with a vobis y Psal 149. v. 9. Such honor haue all his Saints The z Mensa hic accipitur pro coelestis vitae gloria Gorrand Mensa rotunda aeternitatis cuius in circuitu erimus sicut nouellae oliuarum table which our Sauiour mentioneth is an Embleme of that rest and satiety of ioyes wherewith we shall at his comming bee all replenished His seruing vs is not ministerium obsequij to bee taken as an act of humility but rather ministerium suffragij sen beneficij as an act of his fatherly bounty in a Qui in terra fuit dator virtutum in coelo est distributor praemiorum
c Pag. 29. boldly suruey the Knights Hell or Letter against Purgatorie The d Pref. Iudicious Reader will not wonder that your rude hammering with heauie reproaches on the Rocke of truth doth fetch out some liuely sparks of iust disdaine Nick. What! contemptible aduersaries e Quod efficit tale magis tale scolding feminine Antagonists rude hammering Iust disdaine so blunt at the first dash are these your Doway salutations T is well Master Maior we haue your companie to keepe the peace Out of doubt the Doctor hath pissed on a nettle his Nurse was too blame she should haue giuen him more stamp'd Grunsill in his milke hee is so exceedingly troubled with the fret Ma. Surely Sir with your fauour I see no such reason for your contemptuous disdaine If you stand vpon your Schollershippe I dare say our Vicar hath gone as long to Schoole If vpon your place I would you should know I am not the meanest man in my Corporation Or if the opinion of your wit haue blowne vp the emptie bladder of this your swolne conceit here is honest Nick a boone Lad one that f Nouit is lepidas audire et reddere voces knowes how to take and returne a iest as well as the best youth in the Parish I dare vndertake hee shall hold you play to the last cast alwaies prouided that there doe no g Pref. smoakie mists of personall Scoffes against the Knight his Master vampe from your marish mouth for then hee will bee as hot as a toste you shall find hee will carrie no coales if once you touch his copie-hold Min. Then shall we not need to decline this suruey h Singulis pro persona dignitate orationem assignauinius th'opponent being thus fitted ad omnia quare whether he be material facete or verbal he shal be met withall vpon equall termes with his owne weapons in his owne kind Wherefore Domine IABAL rem aggredere what i pag. 29. Folly and Falshood can you discouer in the Knights Letter to T. H Iab If k pag. 30. lying killeth the soule what are the Knights leaues but a dead letter wherein there are grosse and inexcusable corruptions of the most learned of the Ancient Fathers concerning a point of highest importance to wit the Canonicall authoritie of the Booke of Macchabees where Purgatorie and other points of Catholike Doctrine which you peremptorily denie are directly proued Ma. I cannot blame you for so high esteeming the Booke of Macchabees If that Lock bee once cut off your strength for the maintenance of Purgatorie will soone faile If that Cesterne yeeld you no water your tongue will cleaue to the roofe of your mouth for want of that moysture which now makes it so glibbe your Prayer for the dead will bee then soone put to silence and enforced to begge Patronage from the Legends Well I doubt not but you wil be driuen from that Holde before this combate be at an end In the meane season you may doe well to acquaint vs with the grosse and inexcusable corruptions wherewith you charge the Knights Letter as iniurious to the most learned of the Ancient Fathers Iab His l Pag. 34. Letter to proue that the Machabees were Canonicall in Saint Aug. Iudgment saith in this sort It is not our surmise that Saint Augustine seemeth to signifie so much who elsewhere to wit in the Booke De Mirabilibus sacrae Scripturae doth plainly and determinately saie That they are not of the diuine Canon Ma. Nay good Doctor let vs haue faire play Shew mee where hee endeauours to proue that the Macchabees were Canonicall and we wil be easily intreated to yeeld you the bucklers hee pleades and proues the contrarie throughout his discourse Besides it is no honest dealing to insert a Parenthesis into your Aduersaries text These wordes to wit in the Booke De mirabilibus sacrae Scripturae beare the counterfeit stamp of your owne will The Knight saith only that Saint Aug. elsewhere excludeth them from the Diuine Canon for proofe whereof hee doth in the same page cite his words Contra Gaudent and for the better passage hereof he premiseth a testimonie out of the booke De Mirabilibus written Anno Domini 627. which he margents with Saint Augustines name as being to bee found only amongest his tomes Iab m Ouerth pag. 134. Was not Sir Edward thinke you here bobbed by the Bachelor or some Lecturer He n Ouerth pag. 133. citeth the Booke de Mirabilibus by their directions as Saint Augustines which all learned men with one consent discard from the number as a Booke of no account Can o Ouerth pag. 134. any staine to his Knighthood be greater then to bee thought so notorious a Falsifier of so great and learned a Father euen in print Min. Is this so inexpiable an errour that no satisfaction may redeeme I had thought his manie reasons alleadged in the Counter-snarle would haue giuen content to any judicious eye but I perceiue malice will hold the least aduantage with tooth and naile Iab Did p Pag. 34. he only note in the margent where that Booke and sentence might bee found and not resolutely auerre in his text that it was plainly and determinately his saying Min. I must be your Eccho He did only note in the margent And you must know there is great difference betweene a cursorie marginall note and a resolute textuall assertion It might haue sufficed you that that Booke was very neare a thousand yeare old long as he tels you before Luther was born and of such esteeme that it was annexed to his writings who was then most eminent So ancient a testimonie could not but giue a great Shake to the Macchabees Iab But q Pag. 34. why did hee cite it for Saint Augustines against his conscience and knowledge as hee since confesseth Min. You may as well aske Ludouicus Viualdus why in the very text of his Tractate De Veritate Contritionis pag. 31. he citeth the same father for a saying taken out of the Booke De duodecim Abusionum gradibus saying Haec Augustinus whereas in the 42. page of the said Booke hee maketh this acknowledgement of the same worke Hic liber à quibusdam ascribitur Hugoni de Sancto Victore Alij vero tribuunt Cypriano You might haue done well to haue taken him to schoole and taught him neuer to haue cited that Booke without that tedious Appendix So should Augustine haue beene well attended with a man or two still waiting at his heeles Ma. Verily the good man would haue taken it ill at his hands who should haue laid Ignorance or Fraude to his charge To haue taxed him with r Pag. 37. Reseruations and Equiuocations in his writings about matters of Religion to deceiue his lesse warie Readers had beene an irrecompensable wrong Yet is hee in the same praedicament with the Knight Euerie penne especially in marginall directs is not patient at
by mistaking of the word Canonicall which is sometimes taken largely to signfie aswel the Bookes that might concerne the Rule of Manners as those which serue for the foundation of the doctrine of Faith in which sence your Father and Councell are to be vnderstood whereas the same word in the strict and proper signification doth only comprehend the Bookes which agree with the Canon of the Hebrewes according to the generall consent of the Ancient Fathers of all Churches before the dayes of Saint Augustine To this end hee sent no worse p Letter to T.H. pag. 62. Messenger to cleare this doubt then a person eminent both by name and place I meane that famous Cardinall Cajetan Ne turberis Nouitie saith he Si alicubi reperias libros istos inter Canonicos supputari Cum hac distinctione poteris discernere dicta Augustini scripta in Concilio Prouinciali Carthaginensi Hee tels you that they are thus to be vnderstood as also that none but Nouices in the writing of the Ancient Fathers will trouble themselues by making any question in so apparaÌ„t a truth Nick. Iabal hath well requited him for his paines I trow he hath sent the Cardinall away with a flea in his eare If Caietan had beene Pope hee would haue beene twice aduised before he had so rudely reiected his Oracles My fellow Iack Footeman would haue no great Maw to carry a Message to such a currish Swaine from whom hee expects no better entertainment Min. Caietan I wis had more wit in his little finger then Iabal in his whole body Beati Pacifici was his aime Should such hot-spurres as our Nouice haue beene made Arbitrators there would haue beene such a broyle amongst the Fathers as would not be easily reconciled For if you take away this fauourable most probable distinction you should soone see a field pitch'd betweene q Vide Admon praefix Concord Bibliorum per haered Wecheli Cyril Cyprian Origen r Si quid extra haec inuenitur inter adulterinos libros numerandum est Greg. Nazian Nazian zene Å¿ Anthonin Summ. maior Parâ— 3. tit 18. cap. 6. § 2. Hierome t Alij libri sunt qui non Canonici sed Ecclesiastici a maioribus appellati sunt eiusdem ordinis Tobiae Iudith et Machabaeorum libri Ruffi in Symbol fol. 575. Ruffinus Epiphanius u Sunt Canonici veteris testamenti libri viginti duo lâ—teris baebraicis numero parâ—s Aâ—ban ex Synopsi Athanasius Eusebius and Gregory on th' one side discarding them and Augustine the Councell of Carthage Trent on th' other part defending them When this pitch'd battel should haue beene fought the Romanists might haue sought our valiant Sanga vnder the Trundle-bedde till the hurly burly had beene at at end vnlesse they had pluckt him out by the heeles no perswasion would haue drawne him to shew his face they are all so peremptory and plaine against the Canonizing of these Apogriphall bookes This was not vnknowne to the Cardinal who was thereby induced to thinke that S. Augustine tooke the word Canonicall in the larger sence as comprehending the Ecclesiasticall writings within the verge thereof Ma. Had it beene an error an the Iewes not to haue receiued these bookes as they did the Law and the Prophets I cannot thinke but that Christ or his Apostles would surely haue reproued so notable a crime seeing they were not meale-mouthed in the reprehension of lesser faults And whereas we receiue this maine benefit by the Apostacy of the Iewes that therby the world seeing them enemies vnto the Messias cannot but giue the greater credence to the bookes of th' old Testament without suspect of partiality which otherwise might haue beene doubted the adopting of these other Apocriphall into the Canon were as much as in vs lieth to vilifie th' authority of their authentique records who may not improbably be thought to haue taken in those that were adulterine as well as to haue degraded those that are found to haue beene diuine Min. If all other reasons were mute me thinkes the Author Matter and Manner of the history might well make an ingenuous person very sparing in the defence The Author if wee may credit the x Vide Zanch. de diuin attrib lib. 4. ca. 4. enlarging Epitomizer of these bookes is y 2. Mac. 2.23 Iason Cirenaeus a z Spiritu sancto inspirati loquuti sunt sancti Dei homines 2. Pet. cap. 1. v. 21. heathen man for-sooth a fit Secretarie for the Court of heauen It seemes pen-men were then as scanty as sometimes a 1. Sam. c. 13. v. 19. Smiths in Palestine This must needs bee 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which requireth so much b 2. Mac. 2. v. 26. watching sweating and pains in the refining Calamus Scribae velociter scribentis would haue eased all this toyle which is not to bee feared where the Omniscient spirit is the Dictator As touching the matter it is wouen in a webbe of such palpable contradictions that a man who regardeth his credit would be sorry at his heart to bee taken tripping in such contrary tales One while c 1. Mach. c. 6. v. 16. Antiochus died for griefe in Babilon Another while hee was slaine in the Temple of d 2. Mac. c. 1. v. 13. Nanea where his head was cut off And yet is not Antiochus out of his paine As if he had as many liues as a Cat you shal see him stalke once more vpon this historicall Stage and then at last fall downe and dye with a most noysome stinking smell consumed with e 2. Mach. c. 9. v. 9. Ducit ad inferos â— educit wormes Indeede I must needs say he is very modest in the deliuery He writes not f Math. 7. v. 29. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 as one who had the custody of the mint to warrant the mettle whereunto he had put his stampe but 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 for the g 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 pleasure and recreation of the reader Had he had the warrant of the spirit hee would haue spared the labour of begging fauor and suing out a pardon for which hee is faine to crowch to the Readers gentlenesse Ma. Then had the holy Father S. Augustin good cause to say that they are receiued profitably if they bee read Soberly For if they should bee read with a precipitate opinion as Canonicall Scriptures in the strict sence the many leakes which are transparant in them would goe very neere to sinke th' authority of the rest Iab It appeareth by that testimony against the Epistle of Gaudentius that the Christians gaue that authority to those h Pag. 55. bookes which the Iewes did not grant vnto them that the Church did set them vp in the throne from which the Synagogue had kept them which was the Imperiall throne of sacred Authority Otherwise S. Augustins opposition The Iews did not but The Church doth were vaine Ma. The
opposition if any stands not in the degree but rather beareth the sence of a preuention For as much as the Iewes from whom the old sacred records were originally deriued would not enter them into the Diuine Canon it could not but occasion many considerate Christians vtterly to cashere them For the auoiding heereof S. Augustine seeing they might tend to some good vse tells vs that albeit the Iewes did not receiue them as Canonicall yet the Church receiued them not vnprofitably if they bee read soberly He saith not that the Church receiued them into higher authority then the Iewes but as books which might serue to as good purpose if they were read warily amongst vs as they did among the Iewes Neither doth hee say Recipienda est Scriptura Machabeorum as implying an vndeniable necessity but recepta est non mutiliter as noting a voluntary acceptance vpon a probable end with th' addition of this Prouiso if they be read soberly which howsoeuer you otherwise deeme cannot be fitly spoken of Canonicall writ which is necessarily to be embraced and is alwaies profitable to the Church which euermore bringeth Sobriety to the reading thereof neither is it any lesse behoofull to the Church though it be peruerted by reprobates to their owne damnation But as for humane writings the case is otherwise they are then onely receiued profitably by the Church when they are read warily A good man by attributing too much to an vnwarrantable ground of which sort the sacred writ affoordeth none may make a faulty inference which mooued Saint Augustine to insinuate that there are rocks by which he would haue vs warily to saile Nick. What if wee admit for disputation sake that S. Augustine deliuereth this as his resolute opinion in Iabals sence I would gladly learne what reason hee can yeeld why this should ouer-sway the ioynt iudgement and consent of so many far more ancient Fathers who teach the contrary Iab i Pag. 59. Caluin doth allow him the style of the best and most faithfull witnesse of Antiquity how can hee then be excused from great temerity if heerein he erred Ma. Errare humanum est The spirit of God alone is free from errour The k It was lawful to contradict the Fathers and doubt of them Guido de Haeres c. 7. Church euen in his daies was somewhat clowded with the mists of superstition Had he not an Eagles eye he could hardly haue discouered those beames which Antichrist had then laid in the way It was hard if not impossible for one man to discerne euery mote which then houered in the aire of the Papall regiment Iab l Pag. 60. This sentence may suffice alone to giue any Iudicious eare to vnderstand your opposition with S. Augustine Ma. Wee honour his memory as a blessed Saint from whose pen the Church of God hath receiued ineffable good and wee account it not the least part of our happinesse that for one seeming testimony which you wrest to serue your owne turne wee are able to shew a million to right our cause Iab Can you deny that S. Augustine taught our Catholique doctrine concerning the point of Merit m Pag. 62. Doth he not say that as the wages due to sinne is death so the wages due to righteousnesse is life eternall And againe The reward cannot go before merits nor bee giuen before a man be worthy thereof yea that God should be vniust if he that is truly iust be not admitted into his kingdome Can any Catholique speak more plainly then he doth of Merits Min. These places doe not any whit crosse our doctrine against merit The Analogy which he makes betweene Sinne and Death Righteousnesse and life consisteth not in the quality of Desert but of the n Deest gratiae quiâ— quid meritis deputas Nolo meritum quod gratiam excludit Bâ—â—n super Caen. Ser. 67. effect Augustine saith not that the wages of righteousnesse which is Heauen is as due as the wages of sinne which is death th' Analogy is in regard of the consequent effect to signifie that heauen the wages which is due to righteousnesse shall as truly bee bestowed vpon the faithfull as Hell or Death shall bee inflicted vpon the wicked For if wee consider th'equality of desert and condignity there is according to the doctrine of S. Augustine a threefold disproportion One in respect of the Rewarder whose rewarding of sinne with eternall torment is the proper act of Iustice in it selfe Whereas his rewarding of Righteousnesse vpon them whom he hath accepted vnto Grace is only the Iustice of his mercifull o In illis opera saa glorificant In â—â—les opera non sua condemnant Fulgen. ad Mon. lib. 1. promise Secondly in respect of the Subiect for the Sinne which a wicked man committeth is properly his owne but the righteousnesse of the Regenerate is the gift p Opera bona habemus non ex nobis nata sed à Deo donata Fulg. ibidem of God so that the reward of death is more properly due to sinne then is the reward of life vnto righteousnesse Thirdly in regard of the obiect because the sinne of the wicked is perfectly imperfect but the righteousnes of the most godly is imperfectly perfect that is but a stained goodnesse wherefore there cannot be an equall condignity in both Ma. We grant that the reward cannot goe before merites nor bee giuen before a man bee worthy thereof but Iabal must learne that these merits are q Mors eius meritum meum Aug. in Manual c. 22. Christs by the Imputation whereof we that are altogether vnworthy of our selues are made through Gods gracious acceptance of his sonnes obedience worthy of this reward Otherwise Non sunt condignae passiones our greatest sufferings are not worthy of the least degree of glory which shall bee reuealed to the sonnes of God r Ephes 2. v. 8. Gratia enim saluatis estis saith the Apostle For you are saued by Grace through Faith and that not of your selues Min. Fulgentius makes the case plaine in this golden sentence Å¿ De praedest 〈◊〉 Montâ—tum lib. 1 Vnus Deus est qui gratis et vocat praedestinatos et iustificat vocatos et glorificat iustificatos and againe t Ibid. Sicut gratiae ipsius opus est cum facit iustos sic gratiae ipsius erit cum faciet gloriosos u Aug. in Psal 83. Debitorem se ipse Dominus fecit saith S. Augustine non accipiendo sed promittendo non ei dicitur Redde quod accepisli sed quod promisisti God hath made himselfe a Debtor not by receauing any thing from vs but by the passing of his promise vnto vs wee say not to him Render that thou hast receiued but giue that which thou hast promised And the same x Tract 3. in Iohan Father Non pro merito acciptes vitam aeternam sed pro gratia Thou shalt not receiue life eternall for merit but for grace Nick.
will draw in a Purgatorie perforce in my mind they should doe better for the auoiding of partialitie to let the bodie which hath not the least part in the pleasure and fomenting of sin haue a turne or two in those flames as well as the soule Shall the terrestriall part sleepe in peace and shal the spirituall part pay so deare for the workes of the flesh This were to giue the bodie a l Pares in culpa Pares in poena priuiledge and prerogatiue aboue the soule Min. Nick You digresse I was about to craue his answer to m Art 18. pag. 86. b. Roffensis his relation who sayth that the Greekes to this day doe not beleeue there is a Purgatorie and that in their Commentaries there is verie litle or no mention thereof at all Yea the Latines saith hee did not all of them together receiue the truth of this matter but by litle and litle Whereunto Polydore also seemeth to assent Iab You n Pag. 92 omit that which you haue in your Latine Originall Quantum opinor as I now thinke or ghesse sayth that Bishop which is lesse then a new nothing to hang on your sleeue For though Roffensis at that time had such a thought not hauing then so fully perused the Graecian Fathers yet afterwardes in that verie Booke when hee commeth to speake of Purgatorie he doth affirme the contrarie in expresse tearmes Ma. He hath a verie simple Naperie who is faine to wipe his nose with a Foxes taile Did that Bishop write in such hast without perusall that hee had no leisure to giue a dash to so short a sentence in a point so materiall hauing before the finishing of his worke found the bush that could stoppe so maine a gappe Did his wisdome giue such reines to his vnruly pen to say and vnsay without a check What ancient Greeke Father doth hee nominate to contradict his former opinion Iab Whereas o Pag. 93 Luther did obiect that the Greeke Church did not beleeue Purgatorie he maketh this answer I take it you meane the vulgar multitude of that Nation not the Fathers of the Graecian Church for that the Graecian Fathers fauour Purgatorie the workes they left behind them doe witnesse Min. Without all question Purgatorie was greatly in their fauour when they could not so much as once vouchsafe to name it throughout their manie bookes Had they beeleued it their Charitie would haue compelled them to reueale it Your Roffensis I perceiue was then in a desperate case least Tradition shold be also wrung out of his clutches he is inforced to trie his wits and loe how gaily hee distinguisheth I take it you meane the vulgar multitude of that Nation not the Fathers as if they would not haue receiued it if their Doctors had deliuered it Is it not a rare Iest to search for the Records of faith inter Idiotas Could they haue beene raysed from their graues to testifie that by word of mouth which they were before vnable to write the Bishops surmise had beene more reasonable And what tokens of loue doth he bring from those Fathers to Purgatorie forsooth they mention Sacrifice and Prayer for the dead that so the soules departed being yet as they thought somewhat recluse might more speedily enjoy the beatificall vision of God as also that condigne prayse might be rendred to the Almightie by the aide of whose grace they were enabled to die in the faith Iab Whereas p Ibid. Luther obiecteth that Purgatorie could not be proued out of the Scripture Roffensis replieth that to pray for soules in Purgatorie is a most Ancient custome of the Church Nick. I promise you a wittie answere and to good purpose T is an ill Horse that can neyther wey-hey nor wagge his taile Your faction were litle beholding to him if hee would not say that it is a most ancient custome All the craft lies in the catching of this swift-wing'd proofe Could the Doctor come to lay salt vpon the taile of it we should soone haue it in our dish Min. Saint Paul who was rapt vp into the third Heauen should know as much concerning the most abstruse mysteries as the best He writing ex professo to the q 1. Thes 4. Thessalonians touching the state of the dead and prefacing his speech with Nolumus vos ignorare de dormientibus speakes not one word of this new-found Land nor of any ransome to bee payed for their enlargement who are there imprisoned Yea more he closeth that discourse with this Epilogue that hee would haue them comfort one another with these sayings which had not beene so properly or seasonably spoken were there a Purgatorie and penall satisfaction to be vndergone after this life The foolish Virgins that cried r Mat. 25.8 Date nobis de oleo vestro were non-suted with a nenō sufficiat nobis vobis So that the deceased estate of your declining Purgatorie receiuing so small a subsidiarie supply from that high sacred Court of the Apostolical Synod must be faine to stand to Roffensis his temporizing credulitie Iab You ſ Pag. 93. 94 haue the whole Armie of the Christian Church in all ages set in battaile-aray against you the blessed Apostles with pikes as I may say of Diuine authoritie standing in the forefront Ma. Indeed if Roffensis were an Apostle the Sett is yours He saith it is a most auncient custome of the Church but he falters in his euidence Iab To impeach t Pag. 91. the authority of the Church is the badge of heresie to condemne her custome is insolent madnesse Nick. This is your Ladies A.B.C. your Church is as much beholding vnto you as was Pythagoras to his Schollars In stead of Ipse dixit you will haue Ipsa dixit Iab What man u Pag. 94. 95. that hath any bit either of diuinity in his head or Christianity in his heart or Sobriety in his tongue would accuse Catholickes for esteeming the Ipsa dixit of the Church as much as the Pythagorians did the Ipse dixit of their Master Why should not this Ipsa the Mother of Christians the Spousesse of the Holy Ghost this Pillar and Foundation of truth this Daughter of God the Father washed with the bloud of his Sonne that shee might in her doctrine haue no blemish of errour Why should not her word I say be more esteemed of by her children then the saying of Pythagoras a Pagan Philosopher was with his Schollars Nick. I aske the banes of matrimony betweene Water and Woort Doe you think to out-swagger vs with your Rhetorique then I tell you Doctor your Romish Church is not the right subiect for those sweet attributes She is not the Mother of Christians but the Foster-dame of Heretiques Not the Spouse of the holy Ghost but the Minion of Antichrist Not the Pillar but the Poller of truth Not the Daughter of God the Father but the Bastard of Sathan Not washed in the bloud of his Sonne but polluted
in the feete handes and side of a simple man that so they might gette somewhat by the sight of a new Saint Francis m Lib. 9 Sleidan can tell you how the Cordeliers of Orleance put a Nouice ouer the vault of their Church pittifully sighing and lamenting as if hee had beene the soule of the Prouosts wife who died without giuing anie thing to the Church Why may not Lipsius his penthouse be thatched with the same n Fascinatio nugacitatis reeds They are all eiusdem farinae Had there beene so prudent an Examiner as Duke Humphrie in Hall and Sichem Iabal would not now wonder at so triuiall a figment which is not worth a strawe easily blowne awaie with the least blast of a considerate thought Min. The greatest sort of Romish miracles are eyther such as maie bee accomplished by art or suborned by fraude Yet doth not their tyrannie spare to impose credence vpon Christian soules for their Coffer-aduantage T is not manie monthes since I read in o Part. 4. Sum. maior tit 14. c 1. 10. de Septemp purg §. 7 Antoninus of certaine Fishermen who drawing their Net to land found therein a massie peece of Ice whereof they were not a little glad because they knew it would bee a welcome present to Theobald their Bishoppe who was exceedingly tormented with a burning heate in his feete neyther were they deceiued for it stood him in great stead One day amongst the rest as he was cooling his goutie toe he heard a voyce come out of the Ice wherevpon he conjures it to tell who or what it was The voyce answers I am a p Piscaterâ—s animarum soule afflicted for my sinnes in this Ice and vnlesse you say thirtie Masses for me thirtie whole dayes together I shal not be deliuered Theobald instantly betakes him to his beades and beginnes his taske Whilest hee was at his worke there is newes brought of an Armie approaching to sacke the Towne The Bishoppe is driuen to giue ouer his deuotion for that time When the hurly burly was past he fals to his businesse the second time but with as ill successe for then there arose a ciuill commotion in the Towne The third time hee meanes to make all sure but see as the Deuill would haue it the whole Citie with the Bishops Palace was all on a light fire His seruants were importunate with him to cast away his booke and to prouide for his owne safetie Doe what they could they could not preuaile All the answere they get is this that though the Towne should bee burnt to the ground hee is resolued not to giue ouer till hee had made an end To bee short hee was as good as his word Would you heare the issue He had no sooner finished but the Ice melted the soule was deliuered and the fire vanished neyther was there any dammage at all receiued If this bee not true aske the Fishermen poore soules they litle thought they had taken such a bootie Ma. There was none in the Towne but must needes take notice of this strange accident But shall I quit your tale wirh another out of q In fest Iohan. Euang. ant port Lat. Fryar Ieremie There was a certaine holy man who was troubled as hee trauelled with a boysterous winde insomuch that forgetting himselfe he fals a cursing and poxing Aeolus for his vncharitable dealing Well when hee comes to his journies end hee bethinkes himselfe what a sinne hee had commited and is so touched with compunction that he lockes himselfe vp in an house and casts the r The like in the life of S. Eugin Abbot of Euesham key into the Sea vowing neuer to come out till the same key were found I dare say Iabal would be loath to be pend vp so long but this was the pennance of that age and see how it succeeded Hee had not beene there a yeare and a day but hee had a fish giuen him in whose belly this key was found You must thinke it was a deare morsell to the poore Trowte no maruell though shee could not swimme awaie with such an Iron weight Nick. Had it beene an Estrich I should sooner haue beleeued it Wee must imagine it was a verie hungrie season What jolly Laddes are these they scorne pettie miracles It was worthily thought a great matter that a fish should bring Peter a piece of Å¿ Mat. 17.2 twentie pence but Fryar Ieremies nogging fish puts that cleane downe shee swallowed a whole key at a gobbet His Sobrietie is of a verie dull temper that cannot finde a laughter for these inchanted deuices And yet this is nothing to that I once heard a Catholike deliuer of one t Prefâ—n opera Dionis Areop Dionisius a Martyr who when his head was cut off with a sword tooke it vp in his handes and went with it in that manner the space of two miles till he met with a woman with whome hee left it in trust Let Nicephorus deliuer it with a Ferunt you shall haue those that will shew it you and sweare it is the same head If he had stumbled by the way a good face might perchance haue beene mard Iab The persons and u Pag. 136. 137 places named in most of Lipsius his stories are famous Flanders Bruxels Louaine examine persons and places wee desire no fauour truth seekes no corners For example the famous miracle of Iohn Clement that he was lame from his natiuitie and of a monstrous composition of bodie his thighes and feet contracted and turned towardes the forepart of his breast so as his knees did grow and sticke thereto his bodie was round or in a manner Sphericall vnfit to stand lie or walke this the whole Citie of Bruxels can witnes Being carried to our Ladies Chappell at Sichem in a wagon and hauing confessed his sinnes and receiued the blessed Sacrament hee did in the end finde his contracted and bound feete to bee loosed and stretched forth with such strength that his doublet that staied them was broken in peeces so as presently hee stood on his feet himselfe the beholders being amazed thereat Nick. They would haue beene more astonished had they seene another stand vpon his feet T is well your Ladie can make crooked Catholikes stand alone It maie bee the Taylor sowed the seames of Clements doublet with a hotte needle and a burnt thread Iab Can you x Ibid. say that this is a Miracle of the maker You cannot with any truth except you meane the maker of Mankinde who by the intercession of his Mother reformed that monstrous errour of nature Nick. You talke so much of your Ladie that you will make her right eare glow ere you haue done They that are acquainted with your Gipsie-trickes will not at all be amazed at this setting of Clement on his feet they will scarce wonder if shee had made him goe on his head Your fascinations and deuices are such that they passe common sence This would bee
Min. For that I will referre you vnto the Appeale wherein all those points are clearely proued to bee extrauagant digressions from S. Gregories faith For my selfe I was neuer so conceited of my owne skill as to take vpon me to better the dressing of that Quod alius condiuit Coquus which is alreadie so well seasoned Iab M. Morton q Pag 138. in his Catholike Apologie placeth Gregorie in his lists of Papists Min. He that is willing to be deceiued will easily mistake He setteth him there downe as he is challenged by the Papists to haue beene a singular Patron of their now Romish faith not that hee so deemed him whom he proueth to haue beene nothing lesse in manifold articles agreeable to our Protestant doctrine Nick. To what end should we spend any more breath vpon him whose wilfulnesse will indure no end Seeing Gregories proud Delegate is now dismounted and their glorious Deuotion vncased hic terminus esto Iab O vnhappy Religion r Pag. 189. the Professors whereof can finde no hope of saluation without throwing downe into hell most eminent Saints and amongst them the Conuerters of Nations O wonderfull obstinacie against truth that makes Christians that would be so thought preferre Paganisme before Christian faith Nick. Salua res est The Crane now begins to cry quacke His last weapon is exclamation M. Mayor you may doe a deede of charitie to make him the Towne-cryer He hath a throat for the nonce and besides Palmas ad sydera tollit See how passionatelie he acts his last scene Ma. He lookes I thinke for his Chariot to bee carried away in state but his reasons haue failed in their attendance and therefore I thinke a Dung-cart will serue his turne I may boldlie say he hath hardly earned a blew point for his daies worke Nick. Sir I would you would take some order with him Let him be first degraded and then sent backe vpon his Asse with your pasport as one of Dunces disciples to the place from whence he came there to abide with his Copes-mate Simon Fitz-Magus till they be both conuerted into a Glouers shop or a past-board Couer Ma. You haue giuen him a right doome wherof Iabal hath alreadie Å¿ Hold the Couers of his libels against the light and there shal you find to what vse his Stationer hath put his leaues tasted and that very seasonably for loe how they returne thicke and threefold from the fayre What a noise doe their Iewes-trumpes pipes rattles and fiddles make Nick. All is for ioy of Iabals Triumph they make a May-game at his Conquest and would gladly driue him out of his melancholy mood It were pitty hee should die of the Sullens Min. I see Nick begins to looke towards the Castle and it is high time for good husbands to make more hast home Iabals blazing-star hath now spent it selfe in an infectious vapour This dayes chat wil serue as a perfume He did well to bury his name in the frontispice of his book as presaging that his Triumph should be interred in eternall disgrace Nick. If God send me life and health my memorie shall much faile me but I wil make a Clapper of a quill to ring his Knell Interealoci vas valete et plaudite Tertull. aduers Valen. cap. 6. Congruit veritati ridere quia laetans De aemulis suis ludere quia secura est FINIS Errata Page 16. line 23. Ma. left out Pag. 23. lin 17. in for into Pag. 29. lin 11. the to be left out before Iabal Pag. 53. lin 2. of to be left out before rigorous Pag. 66. lin 18. not left out betweene was and in Pag. 74. lin 4. will for witt Pag. 86. lin 29. leaue out vt after solidius Pag. 104 lin 28. she for shewe Pag. 76. lin vlt. R. Stock for I. Stock Pag. 99. lin 15. saluatis for saluati s too much Pag. 188. lin 1. for must put may Pag. 206. lin 15. before looke adde to Pag. 240. Margent Britannomâ—dia for Britannomachia