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the_o gradual_a psalm_n tom_n 3._o fol._n 5â—5_n in_o the_o begin_n of_o my_o quarrel_n i_o take_v all_o the_o matter_n upon_o myself_o and_o do_v think_v that_o by_o god_n help_n i_o alone_o shall_v sustain_v it_o and_o otherwhere_o as_o before_o be_v report_v he_o say_v that_o without_o he_o other_o shall_v not_o have_v know_v one_o jot_n of_o the_o gospel_n melancthon_n in_o the_o preface_n of_o the_o act_n of_o ratisbon_n tom_n 4._o pag._n 730_o say_v luther_n alone_o dare_v meddle_v with_o the_o error_n of_o the_o pope_n &_o school_n zuinglius_fw-la in_o his_o exegesis_n to_o 2._o term_v luther_n jonathas_n who_o alone_o dare_v set_v upon_o the_o camp_n of_o the_o philistian_o and_o caluin_n in_o his_o admonition_n to_o westphalus_n pag._n 787._o say_v luther_n alone_o doubt_v not_o to_o set_v upon_o all_o popery_n beside_o luther_n as_o before_o we_o have_v rehearse_v write_v that_o the_o only_a scripture_n be_v leave_v whereby_o man_n may_v recover_v the_o faith_n but_o if_o 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tom_fw-mi 3._o fol._n 568_o the_o church_n have_v no_o true_a ministry_n under_o antichrist_n ministry_n no_o true_a ministry_n upon_o the_o 25._o of_o genesis_n tom_n 6._o fol._n 319_o in_o our_o time_n after_o those_o popish_a monster_n the_o true_a knowledge_n of_o the_o word_n and_o of_o divine_a ordination_n be_v extinguish_v and_o upon_o the_o 49._o chap._n fol._n 655_o extinguish_v extinguish_v we_o be_v not_o the_o church_n for_o any_o ordinary_a succession_n caluin_n epist_n 290_o because_o the_o true_a rank_n of_o ordination_n be_v break_v of_o by_o the_o tyranny_n of_o the_o pope_n now_o we_o need_v have_v new_a help_n to_o raise_v again_o the_o church_n of_o break_a of_o and_o in_o answer_n to_o sadolet_n pag._n 132._o he_o write_v that_o when_o the_o supremacy_n of_o the_o pope_n be_v set_v up_o the_o true_a order_n of_o the_o church_n perish_v perish_v perish_v and_o of_o true_a reformation_n p._n 322_o not_o without_o cause_n do_v we_o avouch_v the_o church_n of_o god_n for_o some_o age_n to_o have_v be_v so_o ioâ—ne_a and_o scatter_v that_o be_v it_o be_v destitute_a of_o true_a pastor_n beza_n in_o his_o catechism_n pastor_n destitute_a of_o pastor_n title_n of_o the_o church_n cap._n 5_o sect_n 18_o in_o our_o time_n it_o come_v to_o pass_v thing_n be_v so_o fall_v down_o that_o there_o be_v leave_v no_o place_n for_o ordinary_a vocation_n and_o epist_n 5._o pag._n 39_o in_o our_o time_n ordinary_a vocation_n where_o ordinary_a vocation_n no_o where_o which_o no_o where_n be_v neither_o can_v nor_o aught_o to_o be_v expect_v and_o epist_n 24_o you_o know_v be_v teach_v by_o fresh_a example_n how_o the_o public_a ministry_n be_v as_o it_o be_v overwhelm_v for_o a_o time_n yet_o the_o church_n of_o god_n remain_v and_o epist_n 81_o the_o matter_n come_v to_o that_o pass_n ground_n overthrow_v to_o the_o ground_n that_o the_o ecclesiastical_a order_n be_v whole_o overthrow_v even_o to_o the_o foundation_n the_o vain_a name_n thereof_o only_o remain_v 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rehearse_v it_o be_v a_o error_n of_o suenckfeld_n that_o man_n may_v be_v save_v without_o the_o outward_a word_n of_o god_n and_o ministry_n and_o melancthon_n in_o his_o answer_n to_o the_o bavarian_a article_n tom_n 3._o fol._n 372._o affirm_v that_o it_o be_v the_o opinion_n of_o suenckfeld_n and_o the_o anabaptist_n that_o god_n communicate_v himself_o to_o man_n without_o the_o ministry_n of_o the_o word_n kemnice_n in_o the_o 2._o part_n of_o his_o examen_fw-la title_n of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o order_n pag._n 391_o just_o we_o disallow_v of_o enthusiast_n and_o anabaptist_n who_o imagine_v the_o exercise_n of_o the_o outward_a ministry_n not_o to_o be_v needful_a and_o title_n of_o penance_n pag._n 316_o the_o enthusiast_n be_v condemn_v who_o feign_v that_o god_n forgive_v sin_n immediate_o and_o without_o the_o use_n of_o the_o ministry_n d._n whitaker_n cont_n 2._o quaest_n 3._o c._n 11._o pag._n 328_o we_o whole_o reject_v revelation_n which_o be_v beside_o the_o word_n as_o fanatical_a anabaptisticall_a and_o altogether_o heretical_a and_o in_o his_o 1._o book_n of_o the_o scripture_n cap._n 3._o sect_n 1._o pag._n 44_o we_o must_v expect_v no_o more_o immediate_a revelation_n it_o be_v so_o and_o he_o add_v that_o protestant_n hiss_v out_o all_o those_o who_o pretend_v these_o kind_n of_o revelation_n and_o in_o the_o 2._o book_n cap._n 10._o sect_n 4_o why_o be_v the_o anabaptist_n hold_v for_o heretic_n if_o the_o church_n do_v know_v matter_n of_o faith_n without_o all_o external_a mean_n by_o the_o only_a instinct_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n pareus_n in_o his_o 3._o book_n de_fw-fr justificat_fw-la cap._n 3_o the_o exception_n which_o they_o make_v of_o special_a revelation_n be_v a_o mere_a jest_n for_o beside_o the_o prophet_n apostle_n &_o some_o few_o apostolical_a man_n god_n do_v not_o deal_v nor_o have_v deal_v with_o special_a revelation_n but_o with_o ordinary_a and_o will_v have_v the_o church_n to_o be_v content_a with_o the_o word_n and_o the_o holy_a ghost_n work_v in_o the_o heart_n of_o the_o faithful_a and_o cap._n 8_o god_n will_v not_o have_v his_o church_n to_o be_v teach_v and_o confirm_v by_o enthusiasticall_a revelation_n but_o by_o bear_v of_o his_o word_n and_o ordinary_a use_n of_o the_o sacrament_n final_o beza_n in_o the_o conference_n of_o montbelgard_n pag._n 407._o say_v that_o we_o have_v no_o testimony_n in_o scripture_n of_o extraordinary_a mean_n of_o infuse_v faith_n beside_o it_o be_v the_o fashion_n of_o both_o old_a and_o new_a heretic_n to_o boast_v of_o special_a revelation_n of_o old_a heretic_n witness_v s._n augustin_n in_o his_o book_n of_o heresy_n and_o caluin_n in_o his_o book_n of_o true_a reformation_n pag._n 322._o of_o munster_n carolstade_n and_o the_o sacramentary_n luther_n testify_v the_o same_o upon_o the_o 22._o of_o esaiae_n tom_n 4._o fol._n 280._o of_o gentilis_fw-la caluin_n in_o his_o book_n against_o he_o of_o storcke_n manlius_n in_o his_o common_a place_n pag._n 482._o of_o peucer_n and_o bergius_n schusselburb_n lib._n 4._o theol._n caluin_n art_n 1._o pag._n 172._o that_o i_o may_v say_v nothing_o of_o luther_n mean_n the_o protestant_a church_n not_o teach_v by_o ordinary_a mean_n zuinglius_fw-la and_o caluin_n 12._o other_o therefore_o teach_v that_o the_o protestant_a church_n before_o luther_n receive_v the_o faith_n not_o by_o any_o extraordinary_a way_n but_o by_o ordinary_a mean_n to_o wit_n by_o hear_v some_o true_a doctrine_n of_o popish_a preacher_n and_o some_o by_o read_v scripture_n thus_o d._n whitaker_n cont._n 2._o quest_n 3._o cap._n 2._o pag._n 424._o behold_v new_a fable_n and_o fiction_n for_o we_o be_v like_a to_o hear_v no_o other_o kind_n of_o stuff_n of_o protestant_n in_o these_o matter_n of_o fact_n not_o only_o less_o prove_v than_o the_o former_a but_o also_o less_o probable_a or_o possible_a for_o it_o be_v at_o least_o possible_a that_o god_n alone_o shall_v have_v teach_v his_o church_n but_o that_o before_o luther_n revolt_n either_o popish_a or_o protestanticall_a preacher_n or_o the_o scripture_n shall_v have_v teach_v protestancy_n have_v neither_o show_n of_o probability_n nor_o possibility_n not_o protestant_a preacher_n because_o before_o luther_n there_o be_v none_o at_o all_o as_o hereafter_o both_o d._n whitaker_n and_o other_o shall_v confess_v for_o the_o present_a it_o may_v suffice_v that_o luther_n upon_o the_o 22._o psalm_n tom_fw-mi 3._o fol._n 344._o write_v that_o there_o be_v lest_o only_o the_o scripture_n and_o that_o comprise_v not_o in_o voice_n but_o in_o letter_n by_o which_o we_o may_v restore_v ourselves_o to_o the_o faith_n and_o against_o catarine_n tom_n 2._o fol._n 140._o he_o say_v that_o the_o vocal_a gospel_n be_v choke_v and_o extinguish_v by_o papist_n be_v silent_a in_o all_o the_o world_n neither_o can_v the_o scripture_n teach_v protestancy_n not_o only_o because_o it_o teach_v no_o such_o doctrine_n but_o also_o because_o it_o plain_o profess_v 10._o rom._n 10._o that_o none_o can_v come_v to_o faith_n but_o by_o bear_v of_o preacher_n lawful_o send_v as_o hereafter_o we_o shall_v see_v protestant_n do_v confess_v in_o the_o mean_a time_n it_o may_v suffice_v that_o danaeus_n in_o his_o book_n of_o the_o visible_a church_n pag._n 1069._o write_v that_o s._n paul_n say_v that_o faith_n come_v by_o hear_v not_o by_o private_a read_n and_o that_o we_o open_v a_o gap_n to_o fanatical_a spirit_n for_o to_o contemn_v their_o pastor_n if_o we_o say_v that_o read_n alone_o will_v suffice_v to_o get_v faith_n which_o protestant_n have_v experience_v for_o thus_o write_v luther_n in_o the_o preface_n of_o his_o catechism_n tom_n 5._o fol._n 645_o there_o be_v find_v some_o this_o day_n even_o of_o the_o nobility_n who_o dare_v say_v we_o need_v no_o more_o pastor_n or_o preacher_n that_o book_n suffice_v out_o of_o which_o every_o one_o may_v learn_v the_o same_o thing_n by_o himself_o without_o any_o man_n teach_v and_o caluin_n upon_o the_o 2._o thess_n cap._n 4_o certain_a phanaticall_a fellow_n do_v brag_v that_o they_o need_v no_o more_o the_o help_n of_o teacher_n because_o read_v may_v abundant_o suffice_v 13._o neither_o can_v those_o imaginary_a protestant_n learn_v protestancy_n of_o popish_a preacher_n first_o because_o protestant_n as_o before_o his_o show_v complain_v that_o papist_n have_v extinguish_v all_o their_o faith_n again_o because_o now_o no_o man_n learn_v protestancy_n of_o popish_a preacher_n and_o beside_o because_o papistry_n and_o protestancy_n be_v direct_o opposite_a as_o luther_n say_v in_o cap._n 3._o micheae_n tom_n 4._o fol._n 446._o and_o tom_fw-mi 7._o epist_n ad_fw-la eslingenses_n and_o against_o king_n henry_n tom_n 2._o fol._n 497_o or_o as_o brentius_n speak_v in_o his_o apology_n of_o the_o confession_n of_o wittenberg_n pag._n 703_o they_o differ_v in_o the_o very_a principle_n or_o as_o beza_n write_v in_o his_o confession_n cap._n 7._o pag._n 56_o in_o the_o very_a sum_n of_o salvation_n and_o as_o d._n whitaker_n affirm_v in_o his_o oration_n that_o the_o pope_n be_v antichrist_n opposite_a protestancy_n &_o popery_n quit_v opposite_a papistry_n be_v more_o repugnant_a to_o protestantisme_n then_o hot_a to_o cold_a black_a to_o white_a how_o then_o be_v it_o possible_a that_o they_o shall_v have_v learn_v protestancy_n of_o papist_n who_o teach_v so_o contrary_a doctrine_n last_o because_o protestant_n themselves_n deny_v it_o for_o luther_n upon_o the_o gradual_a psalm_n tom_n 3._o fol._n 516._o thus_o write_v in_o popery_n there_o be_v never_o hear_v one_o pure_a word_n of_o sin_n of_o grace_n of_o the_o merit_n of_o christ_n and_o fol._n 568_o under_o the_o pope_n all_o pulpit_n all_o church_n do_v sound_a out_o nothing_o but_o wicked_a doctrine_n and_o in_o cap._n 2._o ad_fw-la galat._n tom_n 5._o fol._n 297_o see_v papist_n know_v not_o what_o faith_n be_v it_o be_v impossible_a that_o they_o shall_v have_v faith_n and_o much_o less_o teach_v it_o to_o other_o and_o the_o apology_n of_o the_o confession_n of_o auspurg_n in_o the_o preface_n no_o man_n teach_v that_o sin_n be_v remit_v by_o say_v in_o christ_n caluin_n 4._o instit_fw-la cap._n 2._o §_o 2._o say_v that_o in_o popery_n the_o doctrine_n without_o which_o christianity_n can_v stand_v be_v all_o bury_v &_o cast_v out_o and_o in_o respon_n ad_fw-la versipellem_fw-la pag_n 360_o in_o popery_n there_o sound_v the_o bare_a and_o empty_a name_n of_o christ_n and_o upon_o the_o 2._o cap._n 2._o tim_n there_o be_v a_o horrible_a destruction_n of_o the_o gospel_n in_o popery_n wherefore_o none_o learn_v the_o protestant_a gospel_n either_o in_o popery_n or_o of_o popish_a preacher_n beside_o although_o they_o can_v have_v learn_v the_o faith_n of_o popish_a preacher_n yet_o they_o shall_v be_v ashamed_a to_o say_v that_o they_o have_v learn_v it_o of_o they_o who_o they_o account_v the_o bondslave_n and_o minister_n of_o antichrist_n
of_o truth_n reason_n by_o reason_n and_o of_o the_o number_n of_o they_o who_o see_v good_a and_o follow_v bad_a he_o must_v needs_o embrace_v that_o truth_n which_o himself_o confess_v experience_n also_o show_v the_o same_o experience_n by_o experience_n for_o when_o our_o saviour_n can_v neither_o by_o infinite_a miracle_n nor_o evident_a scripture_n stop_v the_o mouth_n of_o the_o jew_n he_o so_o convince_v they_o out_o of_o their_o own_o word_n that_o as_o the_o evangelist_n write_v they_o answer_v he_o not_o a_o word_n nor_o from_o that_o day_n any_o dare_v ask_v he_o a_o question_n and_o the_o donatist_n 22._o matt._n 22._o when_o they_o make_v answer_n to_o the_o catholic_n argument_n take_v out_o of_o scripture_n be_v so_o entangle_v in_o their_o own_o fact_n touch_v the_o maximinist_n as_o say_v s._n 11._o s._n in_o collat_n 3._o diei_fw-la c._n 11._o augustine_n they_o ever_o more_o stand_v dumb_a at_o thate_o and_o now_o we_o see_v that_o protestant_n be_v tongue-tied_a at_o no_o sort_n of_o book_n so_o much_o as_o at_o those_o which_o be_v compose_v of_o their_o own_o testimony_n this_o manner_n of_o deal_v use_v the_o holy_a father_n against_o the_o pagan_n as_o be_v to_o be_v see_v in_o clement_n father_n by_o the_o father_n tertullian_n origen_n cyprian_n arnobius_n â—actantius_fw-la augustin_n and_o other_o and_o against_o heretic_n also_o as_o appear_v in_o the_o say_v s._n augustin_n s._n hierome_n and_o other_o most_o often_o and_o the_o same_o they_o most_o high_o commend_v for_o thus_o write_v 6._o write_v in_o euseb_n l._n 7._o c._n 6._o s._n denis_n of_o alexandria_n it_o help_v i_o much_o that_o i_o can_v disprove_v they_o out_o of_o their_o own_o word_n s._n basil_n s._n orat._n de_fw-fr s._n basil_n gregory_n nazianzen_n it_o be_v the_o great_a cunning_a and_o wisdom_n of_o speech_n to_o bind_v the_o adversary_n with_o his_o own_o word_n and_o 130_o and_o de_fw-fr trini_z c._n 130_o tertullian_n of_o novatian_n it_o be_v a_o strong_a kind_n of_o proof_n which_o be_v take_v of_o the_o adversary_n that_o truth_n may_v be_v prove_v even_o by_o the_o enemy_n of_o truth_n s._n 53._o s._n lib._n 2._o cap._n 53._o ireneus_fw-la we_o often_o disgrace_v they_o by_o their_o own_o doctrine_n and_o 3._o and_o lib._n count_v secund_a c._n 3._o s._n augustine_n neither_o will_v i_o bring_v against_o thou_o any_o other_o sentence_n for_o to_o show_v the_o error_n of_o manichee_n then_o out_o of_o thy_o own_o epistle_n which_o work_n of_o his_o he_o 10._o he_o lib._n 2._o retract_v c._n 10._o prefer_v before_o all_o the_o other_o which_o he_o write_v against_o that_o heresy_n nay_o the_o same_o holy_a father_n account_n this_o manner_n of_o deal_n with_o heretic_n necessary_a and_o prefer_v it_o before_o all_o other_o for_o thus_o say_v s._n ireneus_fw-la 35._o ireneus_fw-la lib._n 1._o cap._n 35._o it_o be_v needful_a to_o disprove_v the_o valentinian_o by_o their_o mother_n father_n and_o ancestor_n and_o in_o another_o 14._o another_o lib._n 4._o c._n 14._o place_n that_o be_v a_o true_a and_o unanswerable_a proof_n which_o bring_v attestation_n from_o the_o adversaries_n themselves_n and_o 3._o and_o lib._n de_fw-fr anima_fw-la c._n 3._o tertullian_n the_o adversaries_n testimony_n be_v eftsoon_o necessary_a again_o i_o must_v strike_v they_o with_o their_o own_o weapon_n and_o christi_fw-la and_o atha_n l._n de_fw-fr carne_fw-la christi_fw-la s._n athanasius_n who_o be_v most_o try_v in_o combat_n with_o heretic_n against_o wrangler_n we_o must_v oppose_v their_o own_o argument_n in_o which_o say_v he_o i_o have_v the_o great_a hope_n of_o victory_n s_o chrysostome_n tit._n chrysostome_n hom._n 3._o in_o epist_n ad_fw-la tit._n also_o we_o must_v convince_v they_o by_o this_o when_o we_o turn_v their_o own_o ill_a say_n against_o themselves_o as_o often_o as_o we_o make_v those_o who_o be_v the_o famous_a among_o they_o their_o accuser_n and_o last_o 27._o last_o lib._n 1._o cont_n petil._n c._n 27._o s._n augustine_n the_o most_o fortunate_a champion_n of_o the_o church_n against_o heretic_n see_v that_o the_o donatist_n can_v be_v evident_o convince_v by_o their_o own_o deal_n with_o the_o maximinist_n exhort_v catholic_n to_o let_v alone_o all_o other_o kind_n of_o argument_n and_o still_o to_o urge_v this_o only_a remember_v say_v he_o this_o only_a fact_n of_o the_o max_n minist_n cast_v this_o in_o their_o face_n answer_v to_o all_o objection_n by_o the_o maximinist_n alone_o and_o 18._o and_o ibid._n cap._n 18._o again_o i_o will_v not_o leave_v this_o only_a fact_n which_o god_n have_v put_v before_o their_o eye_n to_o stop_v their_o mouth_n and_o to_o amend_v they_o if_o they_o be_v wise_a or_o to_o confound_v they_o if_o they_o remain_v obstinate_a and_o in_o like_a manner_n when_o he_o see_v that_o the_o donatist_n cause_n be_v quite_o overthrow_v by_o that_o say_n of_o they_o neither_o one_o cause_n do_v prejudice_n another_o nor_o one_o person_n another_o he_o thus_o speak_v unto_o catholic_n apostol_n catholic_n sermi_n 22._o de_fw-fr verb._n apostol_n i_o request_v you_o i_o beseech_v you_o for_o christ_n sake_n that_o you_o remember_v it_o speak_v it_o and_o have_v it_o ever_o in_o your_o mouth_n there_o can_v not_o be_v pronounce_v on_o our_o behalf_n a_o brief_a sure_a and_o plain_a sentence_n thus_o you_o see_v how_o great_o the_o father_n esteem_n of_o this_o kind_n of_o deal_n with_o heretic_n and_o how_o earnest_o they_o urge_v we_o for_o to_o use_v it_o 7._o and_o protestant_n ought_v the_o more_o to_o allow_v this_o kind_n of_o proceed_v with_o they_o because_o they_o much_o commend_v it_o and_o prefer_v it_o before_o all_o other_o luther_n there_o 442._o there_o de_fw-fr ser_n arbit_fw-la fol._n 442._o be_v no_o strong_a proof_n than_o his_o own_o confession_n who_o be_v accuse_v and_o his_o testimony_n against_o himself_o and_o again_o no_o 449._o no_o inc._n 1._o 1._o pet._n fol._n 449._o man_n can_v convince_v a_o liar_n better_o 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that_o be_v to_o be_v iustify_v by_o good_a work_n for_o thus_o say_v luther_n of_o they_o in_o his_o table-talkes_a chap._n of_o suermer_n the_o waldense_n be_v holy_a workman_n and_o believe_v not_o that_o say_v without_o work_n do_v justify_v and_o know_v nothing_o at_o all_o of_o imputative_a justice_n 8._o cocciuâ—_n 10.1_o lib._n 8._o and_o bennet_n morgenstern_n in_o his_o treatise_n of_o the_o church_n p._n 1â—4_n speak_v thus_o unto_o they_o you_o confirm_v the_o doctrine_n of_o antichrist_n touch_v good_a work_n justification_n etc._n etc._n and_o themselves_o in_o their_o apology_n print_v at_o hanow_n together_o with_o the_o history_n of_o bohemia_n pag._n 256._o plain_o show_v that_o they_o believe_v a_o man_n to_o be_v justify_v by_o faith_n charity_n hope_v penance_n and_o work_n of_o mercy_n and_o do_v say_v that_o devout_a prayer_n do_v purge_v and_o penance_n cleanse_v a_o man_n 4._o three_o the_o waldense_n be_v condemn_v of_o protestant_n both_o lutheran_n and_o 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will_v and_o ought_v to_o divide_v themselves_o from_o the_o roman_a church_n behold_v how_o their_o conscience_n be_v toss_v as_o with_o a_o storm_n for_o that_o they_o have_v forsake_v the_o roman_a church_n lobechius_n also_o disput_fw-la 10._o pag._n 224._o say_v our_o ancestor_n do_v well_o that_o they_o go_v out_o of_o the_o roman_a babylon_n general_n sacramentarye_n in_o general_n 8._o of_o sacramentarye_n also_o in_o general_a thus_o write_v zuinglius_fw-la in_o praefat._n lib._n de_fw-la ver_fw-la &_o tal_o relig_n fol._n 159._o we_o be_v alas_o long_a time_n so_o besiege_v with_o the_o juggling_n of_o man_n and_o caluin_n in_o confess_v fidel_n pag._n 111._o we_o dissemble_v not_o that_o we_o also_o be_v of_o the_o number_n of_o they_o who_o honour_n mass_n until_o the_o abuse_n of_o mass_n be_v discover_v and_o 4._o instit_fw-la cap._n 6._o §_o 6._o we_o depart_v from_o the_o roman_a church_n cap._n 15._o §_o 16._o we_o be_v christen_v in_o the_o pope_n kingdom_n respon_n 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for_o thus_o they_o speak_v in_o their_o apology_n part_n 5._o cap._n 12._o divis_fw-la 1._o protestant_n english_a protestant_n it_o be_v true_a we_o have_v depart_v from_o they_o item_n true_a it_o be_v we_o be_v bring_v up_o with_o these_o man_n in_o darkness_n and_o in_o the_o lack_n of_o the_o knowledge_n of_o god_n and_o part_n 6._o cap._n 20._o divis_fw-la 2._o as_o for_o we_o true_o we_o have_v fall_v from_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n causabon_n also_o epist_n ad_fw-la card._n peron_n cap._n 16._o the_o king_n confess_v that_o his_o church_n have_v forsake_v no_o few_o point_n of_o that_o faith_n and_o discipline_n which_o at_o this_o day_n the_o roman_a church_n do_v profess_v and_o pag._n 17._o the_o english_a have_v go_v from_o that_o church_n m._n hooker_n lib._n 4._o de_fw-fr polit._n eccles_n pag._n 181._o we_o be_v a_o part_n of_o they_o m._n powel_n lib._n 1._o de_fw-la antichristo_fw-la cap_n 21._o we_o confess_v we_o have_v separate_v ourselves_o from_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n and_o his_o synagogue_n m._n perkins_n in_o cap._n 5._o galat._n vers_fw-la 21._o we_o have_v separate_v ourselves_o from_o the_o roman_a church_n d._n whitaker_n count_v 2._o quest_n 6._o cap._n 3._o say_v the_o roman_a church_n be_v just_o lest_o of_o us._n and_o d._n morton_n part_n 2._o apol._n lib._n 2._o cap._n 10._o the_o former_a book_n tell_v a_o just_a cause_n of_o our_o separation_n from_o you_o in_o like_a manner_n those_o of_o zurich_n in_o sleidan_n lib._n 4._o histor_n say_v after_o the_o rise_n of_o the_o gospel_n we_o have_v cast_v of_o that_o burden_n which_o the_o pope_n have_v put_v upon_o we_o idiot_n and_o add_v withal_o that_o before_o they_o have_v hear_v nothing_o of_o protestancy_n suitzer_n suitzer_n and_o the_o suitzer_n in_o their_o confess_n cap._n 17._o confess_v that_o their_o church_n have_v part_v themselves_o from_o the_o roman_a church_n and_o the_o scot_n in_o their_o confess_n write_v that_o the_o truth_n be_v late_o bear_v among_o 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liar_n they_o gainesayd_a themselves_o may_v a_o man_n accuse_v of_o crime_n expound_v figurative_o his_o open_a confession_n of_o that_o crime_n because_o at_o other_o time_n he_o deny_v it_o again_o protestant_n themselves_n reject_v this_o kind_n of_o proof_n for_o as_o we_o do_v see_v the_o minister_n of_o the_o prince_n electour_n do_v reprehend_v those_o of_o the_o duke_n of_o saxony_n because_o they_o avoid_v luther_n testimony_n by_o oppose_v other_o place_n of_o he_o and_o the_o minister_n of_o saxony_n pag._n 303._o say_v it_o be_v a_o frivolous_a kind_n of_o argument_n he_o say_v well_o sometime_o therefore_o here_o beside_o it_o will_v be_v as_o equal_v for_o i_o to_o infer_v that_o protestant_n in_o those_o testimony_n which_o he_o produce_v do_v speak_v figurative_o because_o in_o those_o which_o i_o allege_v they_o manifest_o say_v the_o contrary_n for_o to_o use_v luther_n word_n 220._o tom._n 2._o fol._n 220._o by_o this_o rashness_n and_o licence_n you_o give_v your_o adversary_n leave_v to_o turn_v it_o against_o you_o certain_o if_o they_o clear_o have_v say_v both_o we_o can_v deny_v but_o they_o think_v both_o or_o you_o must_v confess_v that_o your_o pleasure_n shall_v be_v the_o rule_n and_o square_a to_o know_v what_o they_o speak_v proper_o &_o what_o figurative_o moreover_o protestant_n cry_v that_o the_o holy_a father_n contradict_v themselves_o how_o often_o say_v luther_n do_v the_o father_n fight_n with_o themselves_o institut_fw-la tom._n 2._o assert_v art_n 2._o &_o count_v cochleum_n praefat._n institut_fw-la they_o be_v man_n that_o fight_v against_o themselves_o we_o find_v the_o father_n to_o have_v teach_v contraries_n to_o have_v slumber_v and_o caluin_n the_o father_n do_v often_o skirmish_v among_o themselves_o and_o sometime_o fight_v with_o themselves_o the_o like_a say_v melancthon_n come_v 1._o lutheri_fw-la fol._n 341._o jacobus_n andreae_n cont_n hosium_n pag._n 282._o beza_n praefat._n in_o nowm_fw-la testamentum_fw-la and_o in_o schusselburg_n lib._n 4._o theol._n caluin_n art_n 32_o pareus_n lib._n 2_o de_fw-fr grat._n &_o lib._n arbit_n cap._n 14._o &_o lib._n 4._o cap._n 4._o polanus_fw-la part_n 1._o thes_n de_fw-fr notis_n eccles_n apologia_fw-la anglica_n and_o d._n whitaker_n lib._n 5._o cont_n dureum_fw-la wherefore_o either_o they_o must_v show_v some_o privilege_n whereby_o protestant_n be_v more_o except_v from_o contradict_v themselves_o than_o the_o holy_a father_n in_o their_o opinion_n be_v or_o they_o must_v not_o infer_v that_o they_o say_v not_o that_o which_o they_o do_v in_o place_n by_o i_o allege_v because_o other_o where_o they_o say_v the_o contrary_n furthermore_o 460._o hosp_n to_o 2._o foe_n 12._o beza_n in_o conspicil_n zue_v to_o 2._o fol._n 412._o 458._o 460._o because_o both_o the_o father_n and_o protestant_n also_o as_o i_o show_v in_o the_o preface_n do_v teach_v that_o heretic_n be_v wont_a to_o contradict_v themselves_o and_o the_o sacramentary_n both_o say_v and_o show_v by_o many_o example_n that_o luther_n oftentimes_o have_v gainsayd_v himself_o and_o of_o sacramentary_n schusselburg_n lib._n 1._o theol._n caluin_n art_n 20._o write_v that_o it_o be_v their_o property_n to_o contradict_v themselves_o 7._o last_o touch_v the_o weight_n of_o the_o protestant_a confession_n which_o we_o produce_v let_v he_o not_o think_v that_o it_o be_v any_o way_n impair_v in_o that_o they_o have_v at_o other_o time_n say_v the_o contrary_a as_o if_o in_o this_o matter_n they_o be_v not_o to_o be_v believe_v because_o they_o have_v be_v take_v in_o two_o tale_n for_o the_o confession_n of_o those_o that_o be_v accuse_v be_v of_o great_a force_n against_o themselves_o because_o as_o i_o say_v no_o man_n willing_o lie_v against_o himself_o neither_o can_v these_o be_v discredit_v by_o any_o word_n of_o they_o speak_v in_o their_o own_o behalf_n for_o what_o will_v it_o avayle_v a_o criminal_a person_n if_o he_o deny_v a_o hundred_o time_n the_o crime_n which_o he_o once_o open_o confess_v and_o protestant_n have_v not_o once_o but_o oftentym_n most_o plain_o most_o open_o most_o free_o confess_v those_o thing_n which_o i_o allege_v again_o though_o no_o credit_n be_v to_o be_v give_v to_o a_o liar_n who_o gainsayth_v himself_o in_o matter_n for_o his_o own_o behalf_n or_o against_o any_o other_o nevertheless_o in_o a_o matter_n against_o himself_o the_o great_a yea_o even_o the_o devil_n open_a &_o free_a confession_n aught_o more_o to_o be_v credit_v then_o any_o other_o man_n testimony_n whatsoever_o wherefore_o we_o allege_v protestant_n say_n not_o as_o testimony_n but_o as_o confession_n neither_o produce_v they_o as_o witness_n but_o as_o criminel_n confess_v the_o truth_n against_o themselves_o and_o as_o saint_n ambrose_n say_v â—â—uctis_fw-la serm._n 5._o de_fw-fr â—â—uctis_fw-la i_o admit_v not_o the_o devil_n testimony_n but_o his_o confession_n so_o i_o accept_v not_o the_o protestant_n testimony_n but_o their_o confession_n let_v their_o testimony_n be_v of_o no_o credit_n either_o for_o themselves_o or_o for_o other_o or_o against_o other_o undoubted_o it_o be_v of_o great_a force_n against_o themselves_o as_o the_o latin_a orator_n say_v thy_o testimony_n which_o in_o another_o man_n matter_n will_v be_v light_n be_v in_o thy_o own_o matter_n because_o it_o be_v against_o thg_a self_n most_o weighty_a beside_o protestant_n cric_n that_o it_o be_v find_v to_o produce_v the_o criminel_n as_o witness_n in_o their_o own_o cause_n and_o that_o any_o witness_n in_o his_o own_o cause_n be_v to_o be_v reject_v 2._o vorstius_n antibel_n pag._n 44â—_n 456._o juâ—â—_n def._n part_n 2._o c._n 3._o d._n 5._o whitak_n count_v 4._o q._n 6._o c._n 2._o &_o q._n 4._o c._n 2._o whereupon_o in_o the_o question_n of_o supremacy_n they_o refuse_v the_o testimony_n of_o all_o pope_n though_o never_o so_o ancient_a never_o so_o learned_a never_o so_o holy_a how_o much_o better_a may_v we_o reject_v the_o testimony_n of_o protestant_n when_o they_o speak_v in_o behalf_n of_o their_o religion_n and_o yet_o admit_v their_o confession_n when_o they_o speak_v against_o it_o these_o therefore_o law_n of_o answer_v so_o just_a so_o equal_a and_o approve_v of_o the_o protestant_n themselves_o if_o he_o will_v not_o keep_v who_o go_v about_o to_o answer_n my_o foresay_a argument_n it_o will_v easy_o appear_v that_o in_o very_a deed_n he_o can_v not_o answer_v they_o and_o if_o none_o endeavour_v to_o answer_n they_o it_o will_v yet_o more_o appear_v that_o they_o can_v no_o way_n answeate_v they_o &_o that_o this_o kind_n of_o deal_n with_o protestant_n out_o of_o their_o own_o confession_n be_v the_o fit_a of_o all_o to_o stop_v their_o mouth_n finis_fw-la the_o translator_n to_o the_o reader_n the_o author_n adjoin_v hereto_o a_o catalogue_n of_o the_o protestant_a book_n with_o their_o several_a impression_n out_o of_o which_o he_o gather_v the_o testimony_n by_o he_o allege_v but_o because_o i_o think_v it_o not_o needful_a for_o those_o that_o read_v this_o english_a copy_n i_o have_v omit_v it_o the_o reader_n if_o he_o please_v may_v see_v it_o in_o the_o author_n latin_a copy_n the_o index_n or_o table_n of_o the_o chapter_n contain_v in_o these_o book_n the_o first_o book_n of_o the_o essence_n or_o substance_n of_o the_o protestant_a church_n and_o religion_n chapter_n 1._o that_o sometime_o protestant_n admit_v very_o few_o into_o the_o châ—rch_n and_o â—equire_v very_o many_o thing_n to_o the_o make_n of_o a_o member_n thereof_o chap._n 2._o that_o at_o sometime_o protestant's_n account_v papists_n to_o be_v of_o the_o church_n chap._n 3._o thâ—t_v sometime_o protestant_n acknowledge_v all_o that_o deny_v either_o fundamental_a or_o other_o article_n of_o faith_n heretic_n schismatic_n and_o their_o profess_a enemy_n to_o be_v member_n of_o their_o church_n chap._n 4._o that_o sometime_o they_o do_v grant_v idolater_n infidel_n atheist_n and_o antichrist_n himself_o to_o be_v member_n of_o their_o church_n chap._n 5._o that_o protestant_n sometime_o account_v all_o their_o brethren_n who_o under_o the_o name_n of_o christian_n oppose_v themselves_o against_o the_o pope_n chap._n 6._o that_o it_o be_v necessary_o require_v to_o a_o protestant_n that_o he_o believe_v justification_n by_o only_a special_a faith_n chap._n 7._o that_o it_o be_v also_o necessary_a to_o a_o protestant_n to_o believe_v all_o the_o fundamental_a point_n of_o protestancy_n chap._n 8._o which_o be_v the_o fundamental_a point_n of_o protestancy_n and_o what_o a_o protsteant_n be_v the_o second_o book_n of_o the_o author_n or_o beginner_n of_o the_o protestant_a church_n and_o religion_n chap._n 1._o that_o protestant_n confess_v that_o their_o church_n and_o religion_n be_v substantial_o perish_v when_o luther_n begin_v chap._n 2._o the_o shift_n wherewith_o protestant_n will_v delude_v their_o confession_n of_o the_o substantial_a destruction_n of_o their_o church_n and_o religion_n refute_v chap._n 3._o that_o protestant_n confess_v that_o all_o and_o every_o one_o follow_v a_o different_a church_n and_o religion_n from_o â—_z before_o luther_n begin_v to_o preach_v chap._n 4._o that_o protestant_n grant_v that_o their_o church_n and_o religion_n be_v quite_o invisible_a b_o before_o luther_n appear_v chap._n 5._o those_o which_o say_v there_o be_v any_o visible_a protestant_n before_o luther_n refell_v chap._n 6_o that_o the_o church_n can_v be_v so_o invisible_a as_o protestant_n confess_v they_o to_o have_v be_v before_o lut_n e_o s_o tyme._n chap._n 7._o that_o protestant_n acknowledge_v that_o there_o be_v no_o protestant_a pastor_n before_o luther_n chap._n 8._o that_o the_o church_n can_v be_v without_o pastor_n chap_n 9_o that_o the_o protestant_a church_n be_v no_o where_n before_o luther_n arise_v chap._n 10._o the_o sophistries_n wherewith_o some_o protestant_n will_v seem_v to_o prove_v that_o in_o time_n past_o the_o protestant_n church_n be_v in_o popery_n refute_v chap._n 11._o that_o all_o the_o first_o know_v protestant_n have_v be_v papist_n before_o time_n chap._n 12._o that_o no_o auncient_a protestant_a then_o luther_n step_v forth_o and_o adjoin_v himself_o to_o luther_n company_n when_o he_o preach_v secure_o chap._n 13._o that_o the_o protestant_a church_n &_o religion_n be_v new_a chap._n 14._o that_o protestant_n do_v in_o plain_a term_n confess_v that_o luther_n be_v the_o author_n and_o beginner_n of_o their_o church_n and_o religion_n chap._n 15._o that_o protestant_n can_v prove_v by_o any_o sufficient_a witness_n or_o any_o probable_a argument_n that_o their_o church_n be_v before_o luther_n chap._n 16._o what_o he_o must_v observe_v who_o will_v undertake_v to_o answer_n this_o worke._n finis_fw-la