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A47166 Quakerism no popery, or, A particular answere to that part of Iohn Menzeis, professor of divinity in Aberdeen, (as he is called) his book, intituled Roma mendax Wherein the people called Quakers are concerned, whom he doth accuse as holding many popish doctrins, and as if Quakerism, (so he nick-names our religion,) were but popery-disguised. In which treatise his alleadged grounds for this his assertion, are impartialy and fairly examined and confuted: and also his accusation of popery against us, justly retorted upon himself, and his bretheren. By George Keith. Keith, George, 1639?-1716. 1675 (1675) Wing K194; ESTC R213551 62,351 126

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the_o consent_n of_o the_o great_a part_n of_o antiquity_n if_o not_o of_o all_o general_o as_o both_o vosius_fw-la a_o learned_a antiquary_n in_o his_o pelagian_a history_n and_o grotius_n in_o his_o disquisition_n of_o the_o pelagian_a dogma_n do_v show_v at_o great_a length_n by_o the_o visitation_n of_o which_o grace_n of_o god_n upon_o the_o soul_n of_o all_o man_n at_o certain_a time_n and_o season_n the_o prison_n door_n be_v open_v unto_o all_o who_o be_v in_o captivity_n as_o all_o man_n be_v in_o the_o unconverted_a state_n and_o the_o arm_n of_o god_n salvation_n be_v stretch_v forth_o unto_o they_o yea_o it_o touch_v they_o and_o by_o its_o touch_n infuse_v into_o they_o some_o measure_n of_o ability_n whereby_o the_o soul_n be_v put_v into_o a_o capacity_n to_o convert_v and_o turn_v
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the_o same_o augustin_n be_v so_o far_o from_o hold_v it_o to_o be_v a_o error_n that_o a_o man_n by_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n may_v be_v free_a from_o all_o sin_n that_o he_o say_v express_o lib._n de_fw-fr spiritu_fw-la &_o litera_fw-la cap._n 2._o if_o it_o be_v defend_v and_o think_v that_o some_o be_v or_o have_v be_v or_o shall_v be_v perfect_a with_o such_o purity_n how_o far_o i_o can_v judge_v say_v he_o they_o do_v not_o err_v much_o nor_o dangerous_o and_o yet_o i._n m._n and_o his_o brethren_n think_v this_o a_o most_o dangerous_a error_n see_v every_o one_o that_o think_v so_o do_v err_v with_o a_o certain_a benevolence_n of_o mind_n if_o notwithstanding_o he_o who_o think_v this_o think_v not_o himself_o to_o be_v such_o unless_o he_o do_v real_o and_o clear_o perceive_v himself_o to_o be_v such_o but_o these_o be_v most_o earnest_o and_o vehement_o to_o be_v resist_v who_o think_v that_o without_o the_o help_n of_o god_n by_o the_o proper_a power_n of_o mans-will_a 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