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A08891 The fal of Babel By the confusion of tongues directly proving against the Papists of this, and former ages; that a view of their writings, and bookes being taken; cannot be discerned by any man living, what they would say, or how be vnderstoode, in the question of the sacrifice of the masse, the reall presence or transubstantiation, but in explaning their mindes they fall vpon such termes, as the Protestants vse and allow. Further in the question of the Popes supremacy is shevved, how they abuse an authority of the auncient father St. Cyprian, a canon of the I Niceene counsell, and the ecclesiastical historie of Socrates, and Sozomen. And lastly is set downe a briefe of the sucession of Popes in the sea of Rome for these 1600 yeeres togither; ... By Iohn Panke. Panke, John. 1608 (1608) STC 19171; ESTC S102341 167,339 204

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dove_n in_o his_o book_n of_o recusancy_n de_fw-fr iustific_a l._n 5._o cap._n 7_o fol_z 424._o it_o be_v the_o safe_a way_n to_o trust_v to_o the_o alone_a mercy_n of_o god_n otherwise_o a_o great_a catholic_a go_v away_o from_o that_o side_n in_o some_o question_n because_o he_o addict_v himself_o to_o read_v calvins_n work_n and_o i_o doubt_v i_o when_o bellarmine_n shall_v be_v call_v hence_o they_o will_v say_v of_o he_o he_o be_v too_o never_o a_o protestant_n for_o beside_o that_o before_o in_o the_o great_a question_n of_o merit_n thus_o he_o write_v propter_fw-la incertitud●…en_fw-la propriae_fw-la iustitiae_fw-la &_o periculum_fw-la inavis_fw-la gloriae_fw-la tutissi_fw-it mume_v fiduciam_fw-la totam_fw-la in_o sola_fw-la ●es_fw-la miserisordia_fw-la &_o benignitate_fw-la reponere_fw-la in_o respect_n say_v he_o of_o the_o incertainty_n of_o our_o own_o righteousness_n and_o for_o fear_n of_o vain_a glory_n it_o be_v the_o safe_a way_n to_o place_v all_o our_o trust_n and_o 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