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A05212 A disputation of the Church wherein the old religion is maintained. V.M.C.F.E. Lechmere, Edmund, d. 1640?; F. E., fl. 1629. 1629 (1629) STC 15348; ESTC S100251 235,937 466

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ita_fw-la &_o simoni_n qui_fw-la credebat_fw-la in_o petram_fw-la christum_fw-la petri_n largitus_fw-la est_fw-la nomen_fw-la &_o secundum_fw-la metaphoram_fw-la petrae_fw-la rectè_fw-la dieitur_fw-la ei_fw-la adificabo_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la meam_fw-la super_fw-la te_fw-la s._n hieron_n in_o cap._n 16._o matth._n ego_fw-la nullum_fw-la primum_fw-la nisi_fw-la christum_fw-la sequens_fw-la beatitudini_fw-la tuus_fw-la id_fw-la est_fw-la cathedrae_fw-la petri_n communione_fw-la consocior_fw-la super_fw-la illam_fw-la petram_fw-la adificatam_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la scio_fw-la id._n ep._n 57_o ad_fw-la damasum_fw-la dominus_fw-la constituit_fw-la petrum_n primum_fw-la pastolorum_fw-mi petram_fw-la firmam_fw-la super_fw-la qvam_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la adificata_fw-la est_fw-la &c_n &c_n porte_fw-fr inferorum_fw-la non_fw-la valebunt_fw-la adversus_fw-la eam_fw-la porte_fw-fr inferorum_fw-la sunt_fw-la haereses_fw-la &_o haeresiarihae_fw-la iuxta_fw-la omnem_fw-la enim_fw-la modum_fw-la in_o ipso_fw-la firmata_fw-la est_fw-la fides_fw-la s._n epiphan_n in_o ancorato_n hic_fw-la est_fw-la qui_fw-la audivit_fw-la ab_fw-la ipso_fw-la pasce_fw-la agnos_fw-la meos_fw-la cvi_o concreditum_fw-la est_fw-la ovile_n ibid._n petrus_n qui_fw-la paulo_fw-la ante_fw-la eum_fw-la confessus_fw-la erat_fw-la filium_fw-la dei_fw-la &_o in_o illa_fw-la confession_n appellatus_n erat_fw-la petra_n super_fw-la qvam_fw-la fabricaretur_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la paulo_fw-la post_fw-la domino_fw-la dicente_fw-la etc._n etc._n s._n aug._n enar._n ps_n 69._o vide_fw-la eundem_fw-la li._n 2_o de_fw-fr bap._n cont_n donat._n c._n 1._o intuitus_fw-la eum_fw-la jesus_n dixit_fw-la tu_fw-la es_fw-la simon_n filius_fw-la jona_n tu_fw-la vocaberis_fw-la cephas_n quod_fw-la interpretatur_fw-la petrus_n etc._n etc._n vocabulo_fw-la commode_v significans_fw-la quod_fw-la in_o eo_fw-la tanquam_fw-la in_o petra_n lapideque_fw-la firmissimo_fw-la svam_fw-la esse_fw-la adificaturus_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la s._n cyr._n 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