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call_v by_o the_o proper_a name_n of_o the_o whole_a and_o one_o species_n or_o one_o sort_n receive_v the_o proper_a name_n of_o the_o whole_a kind_n as_o when_o in_o speak_v common_o of_o the_o minister_n and_o elder_n of_o a_o church_n the_o roll_a elder_n be_v so_o call_v with_o a_o proper_a name_n that_o belong_v to_o the_o whole_a kind_n see_v minister_n of_o the_o word_n be_v elder_n as_o well_o as_o they_o 1._o tim._n 5.17_o so_o when_o the_o roll_a elder_n be_v call_v with_o the_o proper_a name_n of_o governor_n 1._o cor._n 12.28_o though_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n be_v governor_n also_o as_o well_o as_o they_o and_o unless_o we_o thus_o understand_v mr_n fen._n there_o shall_v be_v no_o truth_n in_o his_o word_n for_o as_o he_o himself_o say_v 245._o say_v ibid._n p._n 245._o there_o be_v a_o synecdoche_n in_o the_o name_n of_o elder_n when_o it_o be_v give_v to_o ecclesiastical_a governor_n and_o therefore_o there_o must_v be_v a_o double_a improper_a or_o figurative_a speech_n a_o double_a synecdoche_n when_o the_o assembly_n of_o some_o officer_n in_o a_o particular_a church_n be_v call_v with_o the_o proper_a name_n of_o the_o eldership_n whereas_o but_o some_o of_o they_o be_v elderly_a or_o age_a man_n and_o whereas_o the_o assembly_n of_o such_o man_n in_o a_o synod_n be_v a_o eldership_n as_o well_o as_o the_o other_o ii_o it_o be_v a_o notable_a falsification_n of_o mr_n fenner_n testimony_n when_o as_o he_o distinguish_v the_o ecclesiastical_a eldership_n into_o the_o eldership_n of_o a_o particular_a church_n and_o into_o the_o eldership_n of_o many_o church_n and_o give_v beforehand_o in_o the_o first_o place_n a_o general_a definition_n of_o the_o eldership_n common_a to_o both_o those_o kind_n mr_n dau._n come_v and_o restrain_v that_o general_a definition_n to_o one_o kind_n and_o bring_v in_o mr_n f._n speak_v on_o this_o manner_n the_o eldership_n of_o the_o first_o sort_n he_o say_v be_v a_o compound_n office_n wherein_o all_o the_o elder_n do_v in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n administer_v all_o the_o business_n etc._n etc._n but_o this_o mr_n f._n have_v not_o say_v i_o desire_v the_o reader_n to_o look_v on_o the_o 276._o the_o s._n theol_n l._n 7._o p._n 276._o place_n as_o also_o on_o that_o which_o follow_v in_o his_o 279._o his_o pag._n 279._o transition_n from_o the_o general_a unto_o the_o species_n and_o several_a sort_n of_o the_o eldership_n and_o there_o to_o behold_v how_o gross_o mr_n d._n corrupt_v the_o word_n of_o mr_n f._n and_o abuse_v the_o reader_n and_o that_o in_o a_o point_n of_o main_a consequence_n touch_v our_o question_n for_o while_n mr_n f._n give_v the_o same_o general_a definition_n to_o the_o eldership_n of_o many_o church_n viz._n to_o class_n and_o synod_n which_o he_o give_v unto_o the_o eldership_n of_o a_o particular_a church_n thereby_o the_o same_o authority_n and_o jurisdiction_n which_o he_o give_v herein_o unto_o a_o particular_a church_n be_v also_o give_v by_o he_o unto_o a_o synod_n the_o eldership_n of_o many_o church_n and_o then_o be_v not_o synod_n for_o counsel_n only_o or_o admonition_n but_o they_o be_v to_o exercise_v a_o jurisdiction_n and_o power_n as_o well_o as_o particular_a church_n iii_o another_o instance_n of_o his_o unfaithful_a translation_n be_v to_o be_v observe_v from_o those_o word_n of_o mr_n f._n 278._o f._n ibid._n p._n 278._o postea_fw-la autem_fw-la auditis_fw-la &_o assentientibus_fw-la decernenda_fw-la &_o pro_fw-la decretis_fw-la ecclesiis_fw-la proponenda_fw-la sunt_fw-la which_o he_o translate_v thus_o 239._o thus_o apol._n reply_n p._n 239._o and_o afterward_o the_o opinion_n and_o assent_n of_o all_o be_v declare_v matter_n be_v to_o be_v conclude_v those_o last_o word_n shall_v have_v be_v translate_v thus_o matter_n be_v to_o be_v decree_v and_o to_o be_v propound_v unto_o the_o church_n for_o decree_n and_o be_v thus_o translate_v they_o import_v a_o act_n of_o authority_n and_o a_o power_n of_o jurisdiction_n in_o make_v decree_n which_o be_v more_o than_o counsel_n or_o admonition_n especial_o when_o those_o matter_n so_o decree_v be_v propound_v unto_o the_o church_n for_o decree_n but_o the_o word_n of_o conclude_v which_o mr_n d._n use_v be_v ambiguous_a and_o be_v apply_v sometime_o to_o the_o reason_n of_o man_n either_o in_o private_a or_o public_a where_o there_o be_v no_o authority_n to_o give_v definitive_a sentence_n or_o to_o make_v decree_n for_o the_o church_n mr_n can_n himself_o though_o he_o condemn_v the_o class_n and_o synod_n of_o the_o reform_a church_n yet_o do_v he_o allow_v minister_n and_o brethren_n of_o divers_a church_n to_o come_v together_o 95._o together_o church_n plea_n p._n 95._o to_o confer_v of_o thing_n yea_o and_o to_o conclude_v if_o they_o can_v what_o they_o judge_v meet_v etc._n etc._n this_o use_n of_o the_o word_n conclude_v serve_v to_o elude_v and_o frustrate_v this_o pregnant_a testimony_n of_o their_o power_n iv_o another_o mistranslation_n be_v when_o in_o the_o same_o page_n those_o word_n of_o mr_n f._n leges_fw-la maximi_fw-la momenti_fw-la constituendae_fw-la be_v thus_o translate_v by_o he_o order_n also_o of_o the_o great_a moment_n to_o be_v make_v this_o i_o do_v therefore_o note_v the_o rather_o because_o mr_n d._n keep_v so_o great_a a_o quoil_n about_o the_o strict_a difference_n betwixt_o order_n and_o law_n and_o say_v 258._o say_v apol._n rep_v p._n 257._o 258._o that_o order_n &_o law_n be_v ill_o confound_v by_o i_o and_o be_v large_a in_o declare_v his_o mind_n therein_o his_o friend_n also_o that_o make_v the_o alphabetical_a table_n for_o he_o and_o prefix_v it_o before_o his_o book_n note_v this_o as_o a_o remarkable_a matter_n therein_o l._n therein_o letter_n l._n law_n and_o order_n differ_v now_o if_o these_o thing_n be_v so_o then_o have_v he_o do_v very_o ill_o
in_o confound_a law_n and_o order_n by_o translate_n the_o word_n leges_fw-la order_n when_o he_o shall_v have_v translate_v it_o law_n according_a to_o the_o right_n and_o proper_a signification_n thereof_o if_o he_o have_v dislike_v mr_n f._n for_o use_v the_o word_n leges_fw-la or_o law_n and_o will_v correct_v it_o by_o put_v in_o the_o word_n order_n this_o be_v more_o than_o a_o exact_a and_o faithful_a translator_n may_v do_v he_o shall_v rather_o have_v translate_v the_o word_n true_o according_a to_o the_o right_a signification_n and_o then_o have_v give_v warning_n to_o the_o reader_n touch_v the_o fault_n of_o mr_n fenner_n in_o the_o ill_a confound_v of_o law_n and_o order_n and_o put_v one_o for_o the_o other_o after_o these_o unfaithful_a omission_n and_o mistranslation_n mr_n dau._n have_v not_o be_v afraid_a to_o say_v confident_o of_o himself_o thus_o have_v i_o faithful_o translate_v the_o word_n of_o this_o eminent_a light_n in_o his_o time_n mr_n dudley_n fenner_n who_o be_v join_v with_o mr_n cartwright_n etc._n etc._n to_o his_o commendation_n of_o he_o i_o do_v willing_o assent_v he_o be_v indeed_o a_o eminent_a light_n and_o why_o then_o have_v mr_n dau._n go_v about_o to_o obscure_v his_o light_n by_o deprave_v his_o testimony_n and_o labour_v to_o put_v this_o bright-burning_a candle_n under_o a_o bushel_n that_o man_n shall_v not_o see_v his_o light_n whether_o he_o make_v strong_o for_o he_o or_o against_o i_o let_v other_o judge_n iii_o moreover_o after_o these_o omission_n and_o mistranslation_n come_v we_o to_o consider_v his_o miscollection_n from_o he_o which_o without_o any_o just_a deduction_n or_o inference_n upon_o the_o lame_a and_o imperfect_a recital_n of_o his_o word_n he_o thus_o propound_v ibiden_v propound_v ibiden_v the_o reader_n may_v see_v how_o he_o leave_v the_o whole_a power_n of_o jurisdiction_n in_o the_o particular_a church_n etc._n etc._n how_o untrue_a this_o be_v it_o may_v appear_v i._o by_o mr_n f._n his_o allege_v those_o 276._o those_o s._n theo._n l._n 7._o p._n 276._o scripture_n deut._n 17.9_o with_o 2._o chron._n 19.8_o 11._o matt._n 18.18_o 1._o tim._n 4.14_o to_o show_v what_o authority_n there_o be_v in_o a_o classis_fw-la or_o synod_n comprehend_v by_o he_o under_o that_o general_a definition_n of_o a_o presbytery_n as_o well_o as_o the_o eldership_n of_o a_o particular_a church_n thereby_o he_o confess_v that_o there_o be_v a_o power_n of_o judgement_n censure_n and_o jurisdiction_n in_o synod_n because_o those_o testimony_n of_o scripture_n speak_v of_o such_o jurisdiction_n and_o judgement_n of_o bind_v and_o lose_v of_o imposition_n of_o hand_n or_o ordination_n etc._n etc._n ii_o though_o mr_n f._n speak_v of_o excommunication_n and_o absolution_n from_o it_o say_v that_o they_o be_v to_o be_v do_v in_o the_o assembly_n by_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n which_o last_o word_n mr_n d._n for_o special_a observation_n cause_v to_o be_v print_v in_o great_a capital_a letter_n yet_o this_o do_v not_o prove_v that_o he_o leave_v the_o whole_a power_n of_o jurisdiction_n in_o the_o particular_a church_n see_v in_o the_o same_o 277_o same_o pa._n 277_o place_n speak_v of_o ecclesiastical_a judgement_n administer_v by_o the_o synod_n or_o presbytery_n in_o decide_v of_o doubt_n he_o say_v also_o etsi_fw-la authoritas_fw-la communis_fw-la sit_fw-la ministris_fw-la tamen_fw-la &_o sententiam_fw-la dicendi_fw-la &_o eam_fw-la exponendi_fw-la maxima_fw-la facienda_fw-la potestas_fw-la that_o be_v though_o the_o authority_n be_v common_a yet_o the_o great_a power_n of_o give_v sentence_n and_o declare_v it_o be_v to_o be_v yield_v unto_o the_o minister_n therefore_o do_v he_o not_o leave_v the_o whole_a power_n of_o jurisdiction_n in_o a_o particular_a church_n iii_o mr_n f._n a_o little_a after_o again_o speak_v of_o ecclesiastical_a judgement_n and_o censure_n and_o still_o of_o administer_a they_o by_o the_o ecclesiastical_a senate_n or_o presbytery_n which_o contain_v the_o synod_n as_o well_o as_o a_o particular_a eldership_n he_o say_v of_o they_o ibiden_v they_o ibiden_v in_o quibus_fw-la per_fw-la omnes_fw-la ecclesias_fw-la summa_fw-la ecclesiastica_fw-la potestas_fw-la presbyterio_n demandata_fw-la est_fw-la that_o be_v in_o which_o throughout_o all_o church_n the_o high_a or_o chief_a ecclesiastical_a authority_n be_v commit_v to_o the_o presbytery_n and_o hereby_o also_o it_o appear_v that_o he_o do_v not_o leave_v the_o whole_a power_n of_o jurisdiction_n in_o a_o particular_a church_n but_o these_o passage_n mr_n d._n omit_v when_o he_o translate_v other_o part_n of_o the_o same_o period_n he_o think_v it_o not_o to_o be_v for_o his_o advantage_n to_o have_v his_o reader_n take_v knowledge_n of_o they_o iv_o whereas_o mr_n f._n require_v that_o in_o matter_n of_o great_a moment_n after_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d or_o fore-consultation_n of_o the_o presbytery_n comprehend_v both_o classis_fw-la and_o particular_a eldership_n their_o counsel_n be_v tell_v unto_o the_o church_n that_o thing_n ordinary_o be_v thus_o perform_v in_o these_o reform_a church_n viz._n after_o that_o in_o the_o classical_a assembly_n of_o minister_n and_o elder_n it_o have_v be_v find_v just_a and_o requisite_a that_o any_o person_n shall_v be_v excommunicate_v or_o any_o minister_n call_v these_o censure_n and_o election_n be_v then_o first_o solemn_o propound_v unto_o the_o particular_a church_n who_o these_o thing_n special_o concern_v and_o so_o accomplish_v with_o their_o consent_n and_o not_o otherwise_o if_o the_o great_a part_n of_o the_o church_n dissent_n and_o allow_v not_o the_o excommunication_n or_o election_n then_o for_o the_o avoid_n of_o strife_n the_o matter_n be_v again_o refer_v ad_fw-la majorem_fw-la senatum_fw-la unto_o a_o great_a ecclesiastical_a senate_n classis_fw-la or_o synod_n to_o judge_v thereof_o and_o to_o compose_v the_o dissension_n v._o mr_n f._n in_o the_o same_o chapter_n 279._o chapter_n pag._n 278_o 279._o show_v from_o the_o scripture_n that_o in_o these_o presbyterial_a assembly_n there_o ought_v to_o be_v a_o mutual_a office_n perform_v in_o the_o same_o in_o special_a manner_n towards_o one_o another_o not_o only_o for_o counsel_n but_o also_o for_o the_o censure_n of_o such_o as_o be_v member_n of_o those_o assembly_n and_o this_o be_v also_o agreeable_a to_o the_o order_n prescribe_v both_o in_o the_o 43._o the_o kercken-ordeninge_a art_n 43._o nationall_n synod_n at_o dort_n and_o in_o divers_a other_o for_o the_o censure_n of_o such_o fault_n as_o be_v commit_v in_o those_o meeting_n or_o by_o contempt_n of_o the_o admonition_n of_o inferior_a assembly_n hereby_o also_o it_o appear_v that_o he_o allow_v a_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n in_o synod_n and_o class_n and_o do_v not_o limit_v all_o jurisdiction_n unto_o a_o particular_a church_n vi_o after_o mr_n f._n have_v speak_v in_o general_a both_o of_o the_o presbytery_n of_o one_o and_o of_o many_o church_n joint_o together_o than_o he_o come_v to_o speak_v of_o each_o of_o they_o several_o and_o there_o again_o speak_v of_o the_o presbytery_n of_o many_o church_n that_o be_v of_o class_n and_o synod_n he_o say_v 280._o say_v s._n theol._n l._n 7._o p._n 280._o hic_fw-la autem_fw-la leges_fw-la ecclesiasticae_fw-la condendae_fw-la sunt_fw-la here_o be_v ecclesiastical_a law_n to_o be_v make_v this_o be_v a_o power_n of_o jurisdiction_n more_o than_o of_o admonition_n or_o counsel_n this_o mr_n d._n pass_v over_o also_o it_o be_v no_o policy_n for_o he_o to_o draw_v collection_n from_o such_o testimony_n vii_o that_o one_o testimony_n of_o scripture_n which_o mr_n f._n oft_o 281._o oft_o ibid._n p._n 280_o 281._o allege_v 2._o cor._n 8.19_o 23._o not_o to_o speak_v of_o other_o allege_v with_o it_o be_v a_o evidence_n of_o the_o authority_n of_o synod_n it_o be_v there_o specify_v that_o the_o brother_n who_o be_v choose_v to_o be_v a_o messenger_n of_o the_o church_n be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d elect_v by_o saffrage_n now_o this_o election_n be_v a_o act_n of_o authority_n exercise_v by_o sundry_a church_n in_o one_o business_n touch_v one_o person_n and_o hence_o it_o appear_v that_o a_o combination_n of_o church_n may_v exercise_v jurisdiction_n together_o touch_v such_o as_o be_v no_o peculiar_a member_n of_o one_o particular_a church_n and_o if_o such_o election_n may_v be_v make_v by_o many_o church_n then_o may_v censure_n be_v decree_v by_o many_o church_n together_o as_o occasion_n require_v last_o mr_n f._n have_v speak_v of_o the_o first_o part_n of_o ecclesiastical_a polity_n touch_v such_o as_o administer_v the_o same_o both_o by_o a_o simple_a and_o compound_a office_n in_o the_o presbytery_n both_o of_o one_o or_o more_o church_n in_o synod_n or_o general_n council_n he_o come_v at_o last_o to_o speak_v of_o the_o duty_n of_o the_o saint_n other_o member_n of_o the_o church_n which_o be_v not_o promote_v unto_o any_o ecclesiastical_a office_n and_o 282._o and_o
he_o call_v those_o decree_n of_o the_o council_n of_o basile_n 1218._o basile_n p._n 1218._o catholic_n or_o universal_a truth_n whereby_o it_o be_v enact_v 1._o that_o the_o power_n of_o a_o general_n council_n represent_v the_o whole_a church_n be_v above_o the_o pope_n and_o every_o other_o person_n 2._o that_o the_o pope_n can_v dissolve_v a_o general_n council_n without_o their_o consent_n etc._n etc._n 3._o that_o he_o that_o do_v obstinate_o oppose_v the_o foresay_a truth_n be_v to_o be_v account_v a_o heretic_n he_o relate_v &_o commend_v the_o speech_n of_o etc._n of_o p._n 1010._o etc._n etc._n marsilius_n patavinus_n etc._n patavinus_n p._n 1232_o etc._n etc._n petrus_n de_fw-it alliaco_fw-it and_o divers_a other_o show_v the_o power_n of_o counsel_n in_o judge_v and_o censure_v the_o pope_n the_o necessity_n of_o they_o both_o provincial_n and_o general_n for_o the_o correct_v of_o abuse_n and_o amend_v of_o all_o sort_n of_o person_n and_o thing_n with_o great_a 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