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the_o saint_n for_o the_o edify_n of_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n till_o we_o all_o come_v in_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o faith_n of_o the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o son_n of_o god_n unto_o a_o perfect_a man_n unto_o the_o measure_n of_o the_o stature_n of_o the_o fullness_n of_o christ_n i_o be_v thus_o forward_o to_o put_v forth_o before_o other_o of_o my_o able_a brethren_n not_o out_o of_o selfconfidence_n the_o lord_n know_v but_o beside_o my_o own_o private_a interest_n in_o my_o doubt_a friend_n partly_o from_o advantage_n of_o time_n in_o know_v some_o of_o mr._n t._n his_o argument_n and_o partly_o from_o the_o assault_n of_o they_o that_o give_v i_o the_o first_o alarm_n i_o send_v forth_o this_o scatter_a forlorn_a hope_n scarce_o well_o rally_v and_o array_v to_o my_o mind_n through_o haste_n to_o set_v the_o movable_a popularity_n at_o a_o stand_n if_o it_o may_v be_v keep_v the_o pass_n and_o maintain_v the_o fight_n till_o better_a help_n shall_v come_v in_o this_o though_o 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all_o rather_o judge_v that_o the_o mercy_n and_o grace_n of_o god_n be_v to_o be_v deny_v to_o none_o that_o be_v bear_v of_o man_n by_o the_o answer_n of_o augustine_n to_o bonifacius_n tom._n 2._o epist_n 23._o inquire_v concern_v the_o truth_n of_o surety_n in_o affirm_v the_o unknown_a faith_n of_o little_a one_o and_o promise_v for_o they_o it_o will_v appear_v to_o the_o reader_n that_o the_o baptism_n of_o any_o little_a one_o offer_v to_o baptism_n be_v defend_v by_o he_o although_o they_o be_v not_o bring_v that_o they_o may_v be_v regenerate_v to_o eternal_a life_n by_o spiritual_a grace_n but_o because_o they_o think_v by_o this_o remedy_n i_o use_v the_o word_n of_o augustine_n to_o retain_v or_o receive_v temporal_a health_n john_n gerhard_n loc._n theolog._n tom._n 4._o de_fw-fr baptis_n cap._n 7._o sect._n 4._o defend_v the_o practice_n of_o the_o ancient_n baptise_v the_o child_n of_o unbeliever_n and_o the_o word_n of_o mr_n samuel_n rutherford_n scot_n in_o his_o book_n late_o put_v forth_o in_o the_o english_a tongue_n entitle_v a_o peaceable_a and_o temperate_a plea_n c._n 12._o arg_n 7._o seem_v to_o i_o to_o propend_v too_o much_o to_o this_o opinion_n the_o word_n be_v these_o if_o then_o the_o jew_n in_o paul_n time_n be_v holy_a by_o covenant_n howbeit_o for_o the_o present_a the_o son_n be_v branch_n break_v off_o for_o unbelief_n much_o more_o see_v god_n have_v choose_v the_o race_n and_o nation_n of_o the_o gentile_n and_o be_v become_v a_o god_n to_o we_o and_o to_o our_o seed_n the_o seed_n must_v be_v holy_a with_o holiness_n of_o the_o choose_a nation_n and_o holiness_n external_a of_o the_o covenant_n notwithstanding_o the_o father_n and_o mother_n be_v as_o wicked_a as_o the_o jew_n who_o slay_v the_o lord_n of_o glory_n and_o the_o grave_a confutation_n of_o brownist_n by_o rathband_n part._n 3._o page_n 50._o four_o child_n may_v be_v lawful_o admit_v to_o baptism_n though_o both_o their_o parent_n be_v profane_a if_o those_o 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will_v the_o argument_n be_v of_o force_n from_o the_o institution_n of_o the_o supper_n mat._n 26.26_o 27._o therefore_o only_a believer_n be_v to_o be_v admit_v to_o the_o lord_n supper_n if_o any_o reply_n but_o the_o apostle_n 1_o cor._n 10._o and_o 11._o have_v declare_v that_o the_o institution_n be_v exclusive_a the_o fame_n may_v be_v say_v of_o the_o institution_n of_o baptism_n from_o the_o follow_a argument_n to_o this_o second_o argument_n of_o mr_n t._n out_o of_o mat._n 28.19_o for_o the_o affirmative_a animadver_n animadver_n that_o man_n of_o ripe_a year_n only_o be_v to_o be_v baptize_v the_o other_o be_v only_o negative_a to_o put_v off_o argument_n for_o child_n baptism_n i_o say_v that_o i_o very_o expect_v mr_n t._n will_v not_o have_v urge_v it_o so_o curted_o careless_o or_o so_o scatter_o curt_o for_o he_o speak_v so_o abrupt_o touch_v the_o business_n of_o bishop_n fidus_n p._n 25._o that_o i_o can_v hardly_o divine_a what_o his_o meaning_n be_v i_o conjecture_v this_o answer_n will_v serve_v 1._o that_o god_n himself_o put_v the_o cause_n and_o make_v the_o premise_n wide_a than_o the_o effect_n or_o conclusion_n 2_o pet._n 3.9_o 1_o tim._n 2.4_o yet_o he_o do_v not_o warrant_v we_o to_o apply_v comfort_n or_o seal_n to_o all_o 2._o that_o cyprian_n in_o all_o likelihood_n speak_v to_o the_o point_n in_o hand_n that_o as_o circumcision_n be_v not_o deny_v to_o any_o child_n of_o jewish_a parent_n that_o be_v member_n of_o that_o church_n so_o baptism_n be_v not_o to_o be_v deny_v to_o any_o so_o bear_v of_o man_n that_o be_v be_v the_o child_n of_o parent_n repute_v true_a member_n of_o the_o church_n careless_o for_o first_o he_o say_v p._n 24._o john_n 4.2_o where_o it_o be_v say_v that_o jesus_n make_v more_o disciple_n then_o that_o he_o baptize_v first_o it_o be_v say_v that_o he_o make_v disciple_n then_o baptize_v so_o mr_n t._n now_o we_o must_v needs_o say_v that_o here_o be_v a_o gross_a falsehood_n for_o that_o text_n john_n 4.2_o say_v express_o jesus_n baptize_v none_o at_o all_o second_o mr._n t._n say_v p._n 24._o the_o ordinary_n rule_n be_v make_v disciple_n that_o be_v by_o preach_v the_o gospel_n make_v disciple_n as_o appear_v mark_n 16.15_o and_o baptise_v they_o to_o wit_n who_o you_o have_v make_v disciple_n so_o mr_n t._n here_o yet_o in_o another_o place_n of_o his_o exercitation_n mr._n t._n do_v not_o forget_v but_o confess_v that_o mar._n 16.15_o be_v not_o make_v disciple_n but_o only_o preach_v the_o gospel_n and_o so_o mark_n make_v not_o more_o of_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d make_v disciple_n as_o the_o anabaptist_n will_v have_v it_o but_o only_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d preach_v the_o gospel_n scatter_o not_o only_a flote_a so_o much_o paper_n with_o the_o ink_n of_o syllogism_n under_o syllogism_n and_o argument_n under_o syllogism_n as_o if_o mat._n 28.19_o do_v not_o indeed_o in_o any_o show_n serve_v his_o turn_n without_o much_o lift_n but_o also_o in_o scatter_v such_o speech_n to_o the_o great_a disgrace_n of_o anabaptism_n for_o mr_n t._n say_v p._n 25._o that_o augustine_n be_v wont_a to_o take_v out_o his_o proof_n for_o in-infant-baptisme_n in_o his_o disputation_n against_o the_o pelagian_o from_o cyprian_n 59_o epistle_n to_o fidus._n so_o that_o by_o this_o mr_n t._n confess_v that_o the_o pelagian_o of_o old_a be_v the_o man_n that_o deny_v infant-baptisme_n which_o bring_v to_o mind_v that_o great_a james_n arminius_n be_v a_o anabaptist_n who_o have_v that_o and_o other_o dangerous_a principle_n from_o that_o unsound_a castalio_n 137_o mr_n g._n philip_n his_o reply_n and_o to_o t._n lamb._n p._n 137_o and_o that_o of_o master_n george_n fillip_v of_o water_n town_n in_o new-england_n that_o the_o first_o that_o deny_v infant_n baptism_n and_o oppose_v the_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n in_o this_o case_n be_v one_o auxentius_n a_o arrian_n with_o his_o adherent_n that_o deny_v the_o godhead_n of_o christ_n who_o die_v about_o 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if_o it_o be_v infallible_o contrary_a to_o the_o text_n of_o the_o author_n to_o his_o four_o observation_n we_o need_v say_v no_o more_o but_o that_o mr._n t._n speak_v it_o without_o all_o warrant_n or_o such_o probability_n from_o the_o text_n of_o the_o author_n as_o there_o be_v in_o it_o to_o the_o contrary_n now_o let_v the_o world_n judge_n whether_o the_o word_n of_o the_o author_n consider_v his_o time_n be_v so_o vain_a or_o so_o impertinent_a as_o mr._n t._n will_v meek_a they_o have_v they_o be_v allege_v in_o full_a and_o beyond_o that_o the_o quotation_n extend_v to_o thus_o for_o justin_n martyr_n next_o we_o come_v to_o irenaeus_n irenaeus_n irenaeus_n who_o live_v in_o the_o same_o century_n namely_o in_o the_o next_o age_n to_o the_o apostle_n and_o not_o at_o the_o last_o end_n of_o that_o age_n neither_o for_o bucholcerus_n one_o of_o the_o most_o approve_a chronologer_n by_o usher_n put_v he_o in_o the_o year_n after_o christ_n 178._o and_o helvicus_n put_v he_o 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also_o unto_o death_n that_o he_o may_v be_v the_o first-born_a from_o the_o dead_a hold_v the_o primacy_n in_o all_o thing_n etc._n etc._n so_o irenaeus_n who_o we_o have_v translate_v above_o and_o beneath_o the_o place_n we_o be_v to_o use_v that_o there_o may_v be_v the_o less_o exception_n by_o any_o that_o they_o can_v not_o see_v the_o coherence_n and_o scope_n of_o the_o place_n the_o word_n we_o stand_v upon_o in_o which_o irenaeus_n intimate_v the_o baptism_n of_o infant_n in_o that_o his_o time_n next_o after_o the_o apostle_n be_v all_o i_o say_v who_o by_o he_o be_v bear_v again_o unto_o or_o into_o god_n or_o according_a to_o god_n infant_n and_o little_a one_o etc._n etc._n the_o word_n renascuntur_fw-la that_o be_v regenerate_v or_o newborn_a or_o bear_v again_o
t._n well_o know_v subordinate_a thing_n be_v not_o contrary_a christ_n regenerate_v therefore_o do_v he_o not_o do_v it_o by_o his_o ordinance_n word_n baptism_n &_o c_o we_o have_v hear_v afore_o that_o though_o christ_n be_v the_o author_n of_o our_o salvation_n yet_o it_o be_v say_v we_o be_v bear_v again_o by_o water_n and_o the_o spirit_n and_o that_o for_o the_o conjunction_n of_o the_o sign_n and_o thing_n signify_v the_o thing_n signify_v be_v call_v by_o the_o name_n of_o the_o sign_n we_o add_v ephes_n 5.26.1_o pet._n 1.23_o where_o it_o be_v say_v that_o we_o be_v sanctify_v by_o the_o wash_n of_o water_n by_o the_o word_n and_o we_o be_v bear_v again_o by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o yet_o we_o know_v christ_n by_o his_o spirit_n be_v the_o author_n of_o these_o 3_o other_o of_o the_o approve_a ancient_n as_o commentator_n on_o irenaeus_n call_v baptism_n by_o the_o name_n of_o regeneration_n nazianzen_n call_v baptism_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o laver_n of_o regeneration_n or_o of_o the_o new-birth_n nazianz._n orat._n 402._o in_o sanct._n bapt._n augustine_n say_v as_o by_o the_o first_o man_n man_n be_v bear_v in_o sin_n and_o death_n so_o by_o christ_n renascuntur_fw-la they_o be_v bear_v again_o in_o or_o into_o righteousness_n and_o eternal_a life_n in_o or_o through_o baptism_n aug._n lib._n de_fw-fr bapt._n &_o hab_o &_o cons_n ambrose_n say_v god_n the_o omnipotent_a father_n who_o have_v regenerate_v thou_o of_o water_n and_o the_o holy_a spirit_n ambros_n de_fw-fr sacram._n hieronimus_fw-la the_o bloody_a body_n of_o infant_n be_v wash_v as_o soon_o as_o they_o be_v bear_v so_o the_o spiritual_a generation_n stand_v in_o need_n of_o the_o save_a laver_n hieron_n lib._n 4._o ezek._n ca._n 16._o more_o may_v be_v allege_v but_o these_o enough_o to_o clear_v the_o business_n in_o hand_n that_o irenaeus_n mean_v by_o be_v bornagain_a or_o regenerate_v baptism_n but_o mr._n t._n object_n 7._o mr._n t._n examen_fw-la sect._n 4._o p._n 7._o that_o irenaeus_n say_v christ_n be_v fifty_o year_n old_a aâ—_n he_o have_v receive_v it_o from_o those_o that_o converse_v with_o john_n the_o apostle_n and_o thereby_o mr._n tomb_n will_v blemish_v irenaeus_n his_o testimony_n we_o answer_v animad_fw-la animad_fw-la first_o man_n have_v their_o mistake_n else_o they_o be_v not_o man_n but_o as_o angel_n second_o mr._n t._n refer_v we_o to_o far_o worse_a author_n full_a of_o superstition_n in_o scham_n before_o and_o his_o ludovicus_n vives_z and_o his_o walafridus_n we_o and_o vossius_fw-la too_o have_v note_v before_o for_o their_o gross_a expression_n and_o mistake_n three_o which_o be_v main_o to_o the_o point_n irenaeus_n say_v infant_n may_v be_v bear_v again_o that_o be_v baptize_v as_o from_o himself_o though_o he_o report_v the_o whole_a age_n of_o christ_n from_o other_o who_o if_o they_o write_v his_o age_n by_o cipher_n in_o aftertime_n fifty_o may_v easy_o be_v mistake_v for_o thirty_o the_o three_o and_o last_o author_n we_o will_v urge_v from_o this_o first_o age_n tertullian_n tertullian_n or_o first_o hundred_o year_n or_o century_n next_o follow_v the_o apostle_n time_n be_v tertullian_n who_o helvicus_n put_v in_o the_o latter_a end_n of_o the_o age_n afore_o say_v namely_o in_o the_o year_n after_o christ_n 195._o which_o be_v as_o about_o the_o 95_o year_n after_o the_o death_n of_o john_n the_o evangelist_n but_o the_o same_o helvicus_n say_v this_o of_o he_o put_v in_o that_o year_n out_o of_o eusebius_n and_o hieron_n that_o he_o put_v forth_o his_o book_n of_o prescription_n and_o that_o he_o be_v the_o three_o latin_a writer_n and_o bucholcerus_n mention_n he_o as_o famous_a about_o the_o year_n after_o christ_n 208_o that_o be_v 108._o after_o st._n john_n that_o be_v but_o about_o thirteen_o year_n after_o the_o time_n set_v down_o by_o helvicus_n for_o he_o say_v that_o about_o that_o time_n catalogo_fw-la hieron_n in_o catalogo_fw-la cyprian_n as_o hieron_n testify_v do_v ascribe_v so_o much_o to_o tertullia_n writing_n that_o when_o he_o call_v for_o one_o of_o his_o author_n or_o writer_n he_o will_v say_v dam_fw-la magistrum_fw-la that_o be_v give_v i_o my_o master_n when_o he_o mean_v tertullian_n therefore_o he_o write_v divers_a year_n afore_o the_o word_n of_o tertullian_n to_o the_o point_n in_o hand_n of_o infant-baptisme_n lib._n de_fw-fr anim._n cap._n 39_o &_o 40._o be_v these_o hinc_fw-la enim_fw-la &_o apâ—st_fw-la etc._n etc._n that_o be_v for_o hence_o also_o the_o apostle_n affirm_v that_o of_o either_o sex_n sanctify_v be_v procreate_v those_o that_o be_v holy_a as_o by_o the_o prerogative_n of_o seed_n so_o by_o the_o discipline_n or_o rule_n of_o institution_n but_o they_o be_v bear_v unclean_a as_o if_o by_o this_o nevertheless_o he_o will_v have_v it_o understand_v that_o the_o child_n of_o believer_n be_v designatos_fw-la the_o design_v once_o of_o holiness_n and_o thereby_o also_o of_o salvation_n that_o these_o pledge_n of_o hope_n may_v patronage_n those_o marriage_n which_o he_o have_v judge_v to_o be_v keep_v undissolved_a otherwise_o he_o have_v mind_v the_o lord_n determination_n unless_o one_o be_v bear_v of_o water_n and_o of_o the_o spirit_n he_o shall_v not_o enter_v into_o the_o kingdom_n of_o god_n that_o be_v he_o shall_v not_o be_v holy_a so_o every_o soul_n be_v count_v to_o be_v in_o adam_n till_o he_o be_v recount_v to_o be_v in_o christ_n and_o so_o long_o to_o be_v impure_a till_o he_o be_v recount_v thus_o tertullian_n whence_o note_n first_o by_o the_o way_n how_o the_o opinion_n of_o antiquity_n touch_v that_o place_n 1_o cor._n 7.14_o be_v contrary_a to_o mr._n tomb_n his_o opinion_n second_o direct_o to_o the_o point_n in_o hand_n of_o the_o baptism_n of_o the_o child_n of_o believer_n he_o hold_v forth_o these_o notion_n first_o the_o birthright_n of_o believer_n infant_n the_o parent_n and_o child_n be_v both_o under_o that_o promise_n i_o be_o the_o god_n of_o thou_o and_o thy_o seed_n they_o be_v say_v tertullian_n by_o the_o sanctification_n of_o one_o of_o the_o parent_n procreate_v holy_a partly_o by_o the_o prerogative_n of_o the_o seed_n i_o be_o the_o god_n of_o thou_o believe_a abraham_n and_o of_o thy_o seed_n gen._n 17.7_o partly_o by_o the_o discipline_n of_o institution_n therefore_o thou_o shall_v keep_v my_o covenant_n to_o give_v the_o first_o seal_n to_o every_o male_a of_o thy_o seed_n gen._n 17.9_o or_o act._n 2._o the_o promise_n be_v to_o you_o and_o you_o be_v call_v to_o your_o child_n also_o so_o that_o tertullian_n mean_v that_o the_o child_n of_o believer_n be_v reputative_o and_o federal_o holy_a which_o be_v the_o more_o plain_a by_o that_o which_o follow_v of_o count_v in_o adam_n and_o recount_v in_o christ_n second_o the_o capacity_n of_o child_n of_o grace_n and_o salvation_n and_o consequent_o of_o the_o seal_n for_o the_o deed_n and_o their_o seal_n follow_v the_o right_n of_o the_o inheritance_n so_o all_o along_o the_o 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vossius_fw-la by_o this_o place_n prove_v that_o it_o be_v the_o mind_n of_o tertullian_n in_o that_o note_a place_n of_o chap._n 18._o argument_n h._n d._n master_n t._n in_o his_o 10_o argument_n of_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr baptismo_fw-la that_o infant_n shall_v be_v baptise_a which_o some_o allege_v against_o infant-baptism_n but_o be_v indeed_o for_o it_o tertullia_n word_n be_v these_o itaeque_fw-la pro_fw-la cujusque_fw-la personae_fw-la etc._n etc._n therefore_o according_a to_o every_o person_n condition_n disposition_n and_o age_n the_o delay_n of_o baptism_n be_v more_o profitable_a but_o especial_o concern_v little_a child_n for_o what_o necessity_n be_v there_o they_o there_o those_o word_n between_o junius_n say_v may_v be_v leave_v out_o mr_n t._n in_o his_o 10_o argument_n leave_v they_o out_o but_o in_o the_o best_a edition_n of_o tertullian_n they_o be_v in_o vossius_fw-la take_v they_o in_o
and_o allege_v they_o if_o it_o be_v not_o so_o much_o a_o necessity_n as_o to_o have_v witness_n also_o in_o the_o danger_n the_o lord_n say_v indeed_o forbid_v they_o not_o to_o come_v unto_o i_o let_v they_o come_v therefore_o when_o they_o grow_v up_o to_o youth_n etc._n etc._n so_o tertullian_n in_o the_o aforesaid_a book_n concern_v baptism_n upon_o which_o place_n vossius_fw-la paedob_n vossius_fw-la thes_n theolog_fw-la &_o hist_o de_fw-fr paedob_n say_v thus_o we_o think_v that_o nothing_o be_v here_o deny_v but_o only_o the_o necessity_n of_o baptism_n when_o there_o be_v no_o danger_n of_o death_n for_o that_o be_v the_o meaning_n of_o those_o word_n what_o necessity_n if_o there_o be_v not_o so_o much_o necessity_n as_o etc._n etc._n but_o in_o no_o case_n do_v he_o deny_v that_o infant_n may_v be_v baptize_v yea_o and_o if_o there_o be_v danger_n lest_o afterward_o they_o be_v not_o baptize_v its_o plain_a they_o ought_v to_o be_v baptize_v which_o we_o do_v not_o obscure_o discern_v by_o that_o which_o tertullian_n write_v in_o his_o book_n of_o the_o soul_n and_o the_o 39_o and_o 40._o chapter_n and_o then_o recite_v the_o word_n which_o before_o we_o quote_v and_o translate_v to_o you_o thus_o vossius_fw-la give_v we_o but_o leave_v to_o give_v you_o learned_a and_o pious_a junius_n his_o note_n too_o on_o this_o place_n of_o tertullian_n and_o we_o shall_v have_v do_v with_o tertullian_n the_o word_n of_o junius_n be_v these_o tria_fw-la hic_fw-la distinctè_fw-la proponit_fw-la auctor_fw-la baptis_n notae_fw-la franc._n junii_fw-la ad_fw-la tertul_n de_fw-fr baptis_n etc._n etc._n that_o be_v the_o author_n propund_v here_o three_o thing_n distinct_o which_o be_v right_o understand_v the_o place_n be_v most_o holy_a 1._o the_o condition_n of_o person_n to_o be_v baptize_v be_v that_o they_o be_v in_o covenant_n whether_o they_o be_v of_o age_n or_o little_a child_n 2._o disposition_n be_v when_o they_o believe_v and_o obey_v the_o gospel_n and_o make_v profession_n 3._o they_o be_v not_o account_v to_o be_v of_o age_n which_o be_v in_o covenant_n for_o the_o little_a child_n of_o godly_a man_n be_v in_o covenant_n but_o who_o so_o profess_v the_o faith_n therefore_o when_o he_o say_v especial_o concern_v little_a child_n that_o must_v needs_o be_v understand_v of_o the_o child_n of_o stranger_n or_o foreigner_n not_o of_o the_o child_n of_o those_o that_o be_v in_o covenant_n and_o so_o domestic_a or_o of_o the_o family_n of_o the_o church_n as_o be_v confirm_v by_o the_o follow_a aetiologie_n or_o give_v the_o cause_n namely_o what_o necessity_n be_v there_o if_o there_o be_v not_o so_o much_o necessity_n as_o for_o witness_n or_o godfather_n and_o godmother_n etc._n etc._n for_o we_o know_v that_o the_o first_o invention_n of_o witness_n be_v for_o the_o child_n who_o parent_n can_v not_o be_v account_v member_n of_o the_o church_n margin_n mr_n t._n his_o objection_n after_o against_o tertul_n be_v prevent_v here_o and_o further_o answer_v in_o the_o 14_o chap._n of_o our_o animadversion_n at_o the_o word_n cyprian_n in_o the_o margin_n that_o this_o be_v the_o mind_n of_o these_o author_n justin_n martyr_n irenaeus_n and_o tertullian_n in_o this_o age_n next_o after_o the_o apostle_n will_v further_o appear_v by_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o most_o approve_a ancient_n that_o follow_v they_o in_o the_o next_o succeed_a age_n which_o we_o have_v think_v most_o proper_a to_o defer_v to_o the_o next_o chapter_n of_o our_o animadversion_n upon_o mr_n t._n his_o five_o argument_n chap._n xiiii_o the_o five_o argument_n that_o which_o in_o succeed_a age_n in_o which_o it_o be_v in_o use_n it_o exercitat_fw-la argu._n 4._o §_o 17._o the_o argument_n from_o the_o wrong_n original_a of_o infant-baptism_n confirm_v against_o it_o be_v in_o force_n 1_o as_o a_o tradition_n not_o write_v 2_o out_o of_o imitation_n of_o jewish_a circumcision_n 3_o without_o universal_a practice_n 4_o together_o with_o the_o error_n of_o give_v infant_n the_o lord_n supper_n and_o many_o other_o humane_a invention_n under_o the_o name_n of_o apostolical_a tradition_n that_o be_v deserve_o doubtful_a but_o in_o some_o age_n after_o the_o first_o from_o the_o apostle_n the_o tenet_n and_o practice_n of_o infant-baptisme_n be_v in_o use_n 1_o as_o a_o tradition_n not_o write_v as_o appear_v from_o origen_n hom._n on_o rom._n 6._o of_o which_o book_n nevertheless_o let_v i_o add_v the_o censure_n of_o erasmus_n on_o the_o homily_n of_o origen_n upon_o leviticus_n but_o he_o that_o read_v this_o work_n and_o the_o enarration_n of_o the_o epistle_n to_o the_o roman_n be_v uncertain_a whether_o he_o read_v origen_n or_o ruffinus_n and_o the_o testimony_n fetch_v from_o these_o book_n for_o infant-baptisme_n be_v so_o much_o the_o more_o to_o be_v suspect_v because_o augustine_n hierom_n etc._n etc._n rely_v so_o far_o as_o yet_o be_v manifest_a to_o i_o on_o no_o other_o testimony_n then_o of_o cyprian_a and_o his_o fellow-bishop_n in_o the_o council_n of_o which_o mention_n be_v make_v epist_n 59_o ad_fw-la fidum_fw-la second_o out_o of_o imitation_n of_o jewish_a circumcision_n as_o the_o doubt_n of_o fidus_n in_o the_o 59_o epistle_n of_o cyprian_a to_o fidus_n intimate_v though_o there_o be_v also_o other_o reason_n of_o infant-baptisme_n as_o the_o opinion_n of_o the_o necessity_n of_o baptism_n to_o salvation_n and_o the_o greediness_n to_o increase_v the_o number_n of_o christian_n and_o perhaps_o the_o imitation_n of_o heathenish_a lustration_n of_o little_a one_o and_o some_o other_o three_o without_o universal_a practice_n for_o it_o be_v manifest_a that_o constantine_n although_o bear_v of_o helena_n his_o mother_n a_o christian_a be_v not_o baptize_v till_o age_a as_o eusebius_n in_o the_o life_n of_o constantine_n write_v by_o he_o the_o same_o be_v manifest_a from_o the_o book_n of_o confession_n of_o augustine_n concern_v augustine_n himself_o who_o mother_n monica_n be_v a_o christian_n the_o thing_n which_o may_v be_v draw_v out_o of_o theodoret_n augustine_n and_o other_o concern_v theodosius_n alipius_n adeodatus_n and_o many_o other_o although_o my_o book_n and_o note_n out_o of_o they_o be_v want_v to_o i_o by_o reason_n of_o the_o injury_n of_o the_o time_n unless_o i_o be_v deceive_v will_v evince_v that_o though_o in_o the_o church_n of_o those_o time_n little_a one_o be_v baptize_v yet_o many_o be_v not_o baptize_v who_o baptism_n its_o likely_a the_o church_n will_v soon_o have_v dispatch_v if_o the_o opinion_n of_o baptism_n that_o now_o obtain_v have_v then_o obtain_v four_o together_o with_o the_o error_n of_o give_v the_o lord_n supper_n to_o infant_n as_o be_v manifest_a out_o of_o the_o book_n of_o cyprian_a de_fw-fr lapsis_fw-la and_o other_o and_o that_o many_o other_o invention_n of_o man_n under_o the_o name_n of_o apostolical_a tradition_n out_o of_o a_o wrong_n like_v of_o judaisme_n do_v then_o prevail_v as_o the_o paschall_n solemnity_n etc._n etc._n be_v so_o obvious_a to_o he_o that_o read_v father_n and_o ecclesiastical_a writer_n that_o no_o man_n will_v need_v proof_n ergo._n and_o in_o very_a deed_n as_o of_o old_a because_o the_o right_n of_o infant-baptisme_n seem_v to_o be_v of_o so_o great_a moment_n against_o the_o pelagian_a heresy_n and_o for_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o council_n under_o cyprian_a the_o council_n of_o milevis_n augustine_n hierom_n and_o other_o rather_o then_o for_o any_o solid_a argument_n out_o of_o scripture_n in_o former_a age_n infant-baptisme_n prevail_v so_o in_o this_o last_o age_n some_o modern_a man_n seem_v to_o embrace_v this_o tenet_n of_o infant-baptisme_n out_o of_o horror_n of_o mind_n lest_o they_o shall_v go_v headlong_o into_o the_o pernicious_a error_n of_o former_a anabaptist_n and_o their_o mad_a fury_n or_o lest_o they_o shall_v seem_v to_o desert_n the_o leading-man_n of_o the_o reform_a church_n or_o move_v trouble_n in_o the_o church_n rather_o then_o from_o perspicuous_a foundation_n in_o the_o scripture_n which_o they_o will_v think_v that_o i_o have_v not_o say_v as_o one_o that_o dream_n who_o shall_v read_v what_o robert_n lord_n brooke_n have_v in_o the_o end_n of_o his_o treatise_n concern_v episcopacy_n daniel_n rogers_n in_o his_o treatise_n of_o baptism_n and_o other_o elsewhere_o we_o answer_v animadver_n animadver_n 1._o to_o the_o major_a take_v away_o the_o captain_n or_o lead_v particular_a to_o wit_n a_o tradition_n not_o write_v and_o all_o the_o souldiary_n of_o the_o other_o particular_n with_o the_o great_a rear_n to_o wit_n many_o other_o humane_a invention_n be_v not_o strong_a enough_o to_o make_v a_o true_a major_a proposition_n for_o what_o if_o according_o to_o mr_n t._n his_o ad_fw-la particular_a of_o jewish_a that_o baptism_n be_v a_o imitation_n of_o the_o jewish_a pass_v through_o the_o red_a sea_n 1_o cor._n 10.1_o etc._n etc._n and_o the_o lord_n supper_n a_o imitation_n of_o the_o
of_o baptism_n chap._n 18._o the_o baptise_v of_o infant_n and_o iâ—_n he_o do_v allow_v it_o as_o mr_n t._n add_v it_o be_v only_o in_o case_n of_o necessity_n as_o may_v appear_v by_o his_o word_n in_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr animâ_fw-la chap._n 39_o we_o reply_v to_o this_o 1._o that_o both_o these_o place_n of_o tertullian_n be_v before_o allege_v translate_v and_o discuss_v animadver_n animadver_n to_o be_v for_o infant-baptisme_n chap._n 13._o of_o our_o animadvers_fw-la at_o the_o word_n tertul_n in_o the_o margin_n which_o we_o desire_v the_o reader_n to_o peruse_v over_o again_o where_o you_o may_v see_v that_o tertullian_n have_v nothing_o of_o allowance_n of_o infant-baptisme_n only_o in_o case_n of_o necessity_n but_o if_o the_o place_n be_v well_o weigh_v he_o say_v that_o which_o he_o say_v for_o infant-baptisme_n without_o any_o such_o limitation_n which_o infant-baptisme_n among_o other_o passage_n be_v assert_v by_o tertullian_n in_o those_o word_n that_o the_o child_n of_o either_o parent-sex_n sanctify_v be_v holy_a partly_o by_o the_o prerogative_n of_o the_o seed_n partly_o by_o the_o rule_n of_o discipline_n which_o what_o can_v it_o be_v but_o baptism_n and_o in_o those_o word_n those_o child_n be_v designati_fw-la sanctitatis_fw-la the_o designedone_n of_o holiness_n or_o the_o mark_v once_o of_o holiness_n it_o be_v more_o like_a that_o mr_n t._n mean_v that_o tertullian_n restrain_v infant-baptisme_n to_o necessity_n lib._n de_fw-fr bapt._n cap._n 18._o but_o we_o have_v abundant_o clear_v this_o also_o afore_o in_o the_o 13._o chap._n of_o our_o animadvers_fw-la at_o the_o word_n tertul_n in_o the_o margin_n and_o that_o not_o out_o of_o our_o own_o thought_n only_o but_o out_o of_o learned_a juâ—ius_n and_o vossius_fw-la let_v the_o reader_n have_v patience_n to_o peruse_v that_o we_o have_v there_o say_v we_o add_v now_o that_o the_o most_o of_o tertullia_n dispute_n against_o hasten_a baptism_n chap._n 18._o of_o his_o book_n concern_v baptism_n be_v against_o sudden_a baptise_v man_n of_o ripe_a year_n for_o his_o word_n be_v give_v not_o baptism_n rash_o give_v not_o holy_a thing_n to_o dog_n he_o count_v not_o infant_n of_o believer_n such_o as_o you_o hear_v out_o of_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr anima_fw-la and_o here_o by_o and_o by_o call_v they_o the_o innocent_a age_n if_o the_o eunuch_n be_v sudden_o baptize_v yet_o the_o spirit_n command_v philip_n to_o go_v to_o his_o chariot_n if_o paul_n be_v sudden_o baptize_v yes_o he_o be_v soon_o know_v to_o judas_n his_o host_n that_o he_o be_v a_o choose_a â—essell_n so_o tertul_n etc._n etc._n it_o be_v true_a that_o after_o tertullian_n speak_v of_o infant_n but_o what_o say_v he_o quid_fw-la festinaâ—_n innocenâ—aâ—_n aâ—_n ad_fw-la remissionem_fw-la peccatorum_fw-la why_o do_v innocent_a age_n hasten_v to_o forgiveness_n of_o sin_n mean_v baptism_n be_v this_o a_o good_a reason_n a_o scripture_n ground_n to_o defer_v the_o baptism_n of_o infant_n he_o say_v himself_o in_o his_o say_a book_n and_o 8_o chap._n de_fw-fr animâ_fw-la that_o child_n be_v not_o holy_a till_o they_o be_v count_v so_o in_o christ_n and_o how_o in_o christ_n when_o they_o be_v by_o mean_n of_o one_o of_o the_o holy_a parent_n under_o the_o promise_n of_o be_v a_o holy_a seed_n and_o by_o the_o rule_n of_o discipline_n which_o for_o child_n while_o such_o be_v only_a baptism_n and_o whereas_o mr_n t._n bring_v in_o learned_a grotius_n as_o countenance_v he_o in_o rely_v upon_o tertullian_n against_o infant-baptisme_n we_o have_v large_o and_o plain_o lay_v open_a after_z in_o our_o animadversion_n in_o this_o chap._n upon_o the_o six_o section_n of_o mr_n t._n his_o examen_fw-la see_v the_o margin_n there_o 1._o that_o grotius_n reject_v tertullia_n opinion_n as_o nothing_o sway_v he_o against_o infant-baptisme_n 2._o that_o grotius_n by_o many_o argument_n be_v for_o infant-baptism_n 3._o we_o now_o add_v that_o it_o be_v true_a grotius_n do_v say_v tertullianus_n de_fw-fr aetate_fw-la quâ_fw-la baptizandi_fw-la essent_fw-la qui_fw-la christianae_n disciplinae_fw-la a_o parentibus_fw-la consâ—crabantur_fw-la nihil_fw-la definitum_fw-la fuisse_fw-la suis_fw-la temporibus_fw-la hoc_fw-la ipso_fw-la docet_fw-la etc._n etc._n that_o tertullian_n show_v that_o in_o his_o time_n the_o set_a time_n of_o baptise_v they_o that_o be_v consecrate_a by_o their_o parent_n to_o christian_a discipline_n be_v not_o determine_v but_o what_o be_v this_o to_o prove_v that_o in_o those_o time_n believer_n child_n must_v not_o be_v baptize_v till_o they_o be_v out_o of_o their_o parent_n guardianship_n and_o of_o ripe_a year_n 2._o mr_n t._n object_n against_o cyprian_a 7._o examen_fw-la sect._n 7._o that_o indeed_o he_o handle_v infant-baptisme_n at_o large_a in_o his_o 59_o epistle_n ad_fw-la fidum_fw-la and_o say_v in_o that_o epistle_n enough_o for_o it_o and_o more_o then_o enough_o unless_o he_o have_v speak_v to_o better_a purpose_n the_o truth_n be_v the_o very_a read_n of_o the_o epistle_n upon_o which_o hierom_n and_o especial_o augustine_n rely_v for_o the_o prove_v of_o infant-baptisme_n be_v sufficient_a to_o discover_v how_o great_a darkness_n there_o be_v then_o upon_o the_o spirit_n of_o those_o that_o be_v count_v the_o great_a light_n in_o the_o church_n you_o say_v *_o upon_o this_o occasion_n fidus_n deny_v not_o the_o baptism_n of_o infant_n m._n mr_n t._n speak_v to_o mr_n m._n but_o deny_v that_o they_o ought_v to_o be_v baptise_a before_o the_o eight_o day_n but_o you_o may_v have_v observe_v that_o fidus_n allege_v that_o the_o law_n of_o ancient_a circumcision_n be_v to_o be_v consider_v and_o that_o the_o footstep_n of_o a_o infant_n be_v in_o the_o first_o day_n of_o birth_n be_v not_o clean_a whence_o it_o plain_o appear_v that_o there_o be_v a_o relic_n of_o judaisme_n in_o he_o and_o that_o he_o do_v not_o well_o understand_v the_o abrogation_n of_o the_o ceremonial_a law_n and_o the_o truth_n be_v the_o contention_n about_o easter_n near_o that_o age_n do_v plain_o show_v that_o judaisme_n be_v not_o quite_o weed_v out_o of_o the_o mind_n of_o the_o chief_a teacher_n among_o christian_n thus_o mr_n t._n we_o answer_v 1_o that_o however_o mr_n t._n despise_v here_o cyprian_n testimony_n animadver_n animadver_n yet_o the_o renow_v pious_a learned_a esteem_v it_o as_o cyrill_n or_o john_n of_o jerusalem_n gregory_n nazianzen_n chrysostome_n ambrose_n hierom_n augustine_n the_o place_n where_o in_o their_o work_n we_o quote_v a_o little_a afore_o in_o the_o margin_n over_o against_o the_o end_n of_o the_o testimony_n of_o cyprian_a nor_o do_v ancient_a writer_n only_o esteem_v it_o on_o who_o spirit_n mr_n t._n say_v there_o be_v such_o darkness_n and_o on_o who_o spirit_n be_v there_o not_o some_o at_o this_o time_n of_o great_a light_n but_o also_o late_a learn_v pious_a writer_n even_o mr_n t._n his_o beloved_a vossius_fw-la &_o grotius_n so_o oft_o quote_v by_o he_o vossius_fw-la say_v 19.14_o vossius_fw-la thes_n theolog._n &_o hist_n de_fw-fr paedo_fw-la bapt_v thes_n 9_o grotius_n in_o mat._n 19.14_o that_o this_o testimony_n of_o cyprian_a be_v above_o or_o beyond_o all_o exception_n grotius_n say_v that_o the_o epistle_n of_o cyprian_a to_o fidus_n make_v the_o matter_n plain_a that_o there_o be_v then_o no_o doubt_n of_o baptise_v infant_n etc._n etc._n 2_o when_o mr_n t._n urge_v the_o father_n in_o the_o least_o as_o one_o place_n out_o of_o one_o origen_n or_o etc._n etc._n in_o a_o point_n of_o great_a doubt_n we_o must_v entertain_v it_o by_o mr_n t._n his_o intendment_n but_o when_o we_o urge_v many_o place_n out_o of_o many_o then_o say_v he_o they_o be_v this_o and_o that_o 3_o better_a man_n than_o these_o father_n may_v have_v some_o darkness_n john_n baptist_n be_v great_a than_o the_o prophet_n and_o he_o that_o be_v least_o in_o the_o kingdom_n of_o the_o church_n now_o be_v great_a than_o he_o 4_o many_o man_n may_v in_o these_o day_n hold_v 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mandatory_a and_o instrumental_a necessity_n of_o ordinance_n that_o at_o our_o peril_n we_o may_v not_o wilful_o neglect_v they_o so_o that_o with_o cyprian_a afore_o quote_v we_o conclude_v we_o must_v not_o as_o far_o as_o in_o we_o lie_v debarr_o our_o posterity_n from_o salvation_n likewise_o the_o next_o objection_n of_o m._n t._n be_v not_o so_o considerable_a 8._o examen_fw-la §._o 8._o where_o he_o say_v that_o he_o can_v find_v among_o the_o ancient_n for_o baptism_n that_o ground_n of_o we_o that_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n belong_v to_o believer_n and_o their_o seed_n for_o first_o we_o demand_v animadver_n animadver_n must_v not_o the_o worthy_a ancient_n be_v say_v to_o hold_v a_o tenet_n upon_o scripture-argument_n for_o that_o be_v the_o point_n at_o present_a unless_o they_o hold_v it_o upon_o all_o argument_n 2_o we_o find_v few_o of_o our_o argument_n against_o episcopacy_n in_o the_o father_n yet_o in_o this_o we_o side_n with_o aerius_n against_o they_o though_o they_o condemn_v he_o for_o heretical_a 3_o antiquity_n have_v somewhat_o of_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n in_o relation_n to_o infant-baptisme_n in_o the_o thing_n we_o have_v afore_o quote_v tertullian_n set_v recount_v in_o christ_n over_o against_o count_v in_o adam_n cyprian_n epistle_n tell_v we_o in_o those_o time_n they_o look_v to_o circumcision_n for_o infant_n baptism_n gre._n nazianzen_n once_o and_o augustine_n oft_o make_v parallel_n and_o comparison_n between_o circumcision_n and_o baptism_n tertullian_n again_o say_v that_o the_o child_n of_o either_o parental-sexe_n sanctify_v be_v holy_a by_o the_o prerogative_n of_o the_o seed_n and_o the_o rule_n of_o discipline_n see_v also_o before_o clem._n alexandrinus_n and_o hesichius_n yea_o some_o of_o the_o ancient_n be_v so_o far_o transport_v in_o the_o consideration_n of_o the_o descent_n of_o the_o line_n of_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n from_o the_o parent_n to_o the_o child_n that_o they_o do_v transcend_v to_o this_o opinion_n that_o the_o child_n conceive_v and_o be_v in_o the_o mother_n at_o her_o baptism_n be_v some_o how_o baptize_v in_o the_o mother_n this_o appear_v partly_o from_o augustine_n dispute_v the_o contrary_n basil_n contrary_n august_n lib._n 6_o contra_fw-la julian._n col._n 11_o 19_o edit_n basil_n and_o it_o be_v not_o my_o note_n only_o but_o the_o note_n of_o some_o other_o also_o and_o partly_o from_o one_o clause_n in_o a_o decree_n of_o the_o neoâ—asarien_n synod_n hold_v anno._n 313._o after_o christ_n as_o some_o interpret_v it_o zanar_n it_o balsam_n et_fw-fr zanar_n wherein_o they_o decree_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n that_o be_v the_o woman_n great_a with_o child_n may_v be_v baptize_v when_o she_o please_v for_o in_o this_o she_o that_o be_v about_o to_o bring_v forth_o impart_v nothing_o to_o the_o child_n that_o be_v to_o be_v bear_v now_o if_o this_o be_v so_o exit_fw-la malis_fw-la moribus_fw-la bonae_fw-la procreantur_fw-la leges_fw-la that_o a_o law_n suppose_v a_o fault_n then_o there_o be_v some_o how_o some_o what_o too_o much_o inspection_n in_o some_o of_o the_o ancient_n upon_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n in_o relation_n to_o the_o baptism_n of_o infant_n animadver_n examen_fw-la animadver_n as_o for_o the_o popish_a schoolman_n biel_n cajetan_n and_o gerson_n touch_v the_o necessity_n of_o the_o baptism_n of_o infant_n which_o mr._n t._n allege_v we_o be_v not_o careful_a to_o give_v any_o answer_n to_o they_o as_o we_o be_v not_o to_o care_v for_o their_o opinion_n protestant_n be_v not_o tie_v to_o make_v good_a the_o dream_n of_o papist_n or_o if_o this_o will_v not_o go_v for_o a_o answer_n let_v one_o of_o their_o own_o tribe_n answer_v they_o namely_o peter_n lombard_n in_o his_o sense_n of_o the_o text_n 3_o of_o joh._n ver_fw-la 5._o upon_o which_o aquinas_n and_o ballarmine_n and_o the_o rest_n of_o that_o rout_n tower_a up_o on_o high_a their_o too_o sublime_a and_o absolute_a necessity_n of_o the_o baptism_n of_o infant_n upon_o pain_n of_o salvation_n peter_n lumbards_n word_n be_v the_o place_n of_o joh._n 3.5_o unless_o a_o man_n be_v bear_v again_o of_o water_n and_o the_o spirit_n he_o can_v enter_v into_o the_o kingdom_n of_o god_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v say_v he_o of_o those_o which_o may_v be_v yet_o contemn_v to_o be_v baptize_v to_o that_o mr._n t._n object_n about_o augustine_n opinion_n of_o give_v the_o holy_a supper_n to_o infant_n we_o will_v answer_v to_o god_n permit_v anon_o when_o we_o return_v to_o mr._n t._n his_o exercitation_n sect._n 17._o where_o he_o have_v the_o same_o charge_n against_o augustine_n though_o it_o be_v quite_o beside_o the_o point_n in_o hand_n of_o infant-baptisme_n and_o without_o all_o coherence_n of_o argumentation_n in_o the_o dispute_n mr._n t._n yet_o again_o urge_v even_o to_o a_o surfeit_n upon_o it_o augustine_n opinion_n of_o the_o
what_o connexion_n and_o inference_n it_o have_v to_o make_v a_o argument_n 1._o for_o the_o proof_n and_o first_o for_o that_o mr_n t._n do_v but_o intimate_a in_o the_o word_n and_o other_o it_o be_v true_a that_o in_o the_o eight_o sermon_n upon_o the_o word_n of_o the_o apostle_n this_o a_o true_a say_n and_o worthy_a of_o all_o acceptation_n etc._n etc._n put_v among_o augustine_n work_n in_o the_o ten_o tome_n be_v these_o expression_n infant_n sunt_fw-la etc._n etc._n that_o be_v they_o be_v infant_n but_o they_o be_v christ_n member_n they_o be_v infant_n but_o they_o receive_v his_o sacrament_n they_o be_v infant_n but_o they_o be_v make_v partaker_n of_o his_o table_n that_o they_o may_v have_v life_n in_o themselves_o but_o patrum_fw-la but_o censura_fw-la patrum_fw-la rob._n cook_n 10._o cook_n cens_fw-la tom_fw-mi 10._o erasmus_n and_o they_o that_o put_v forth_o the_o louvain_n edition_n prefix_a edition_n in_o that_o edition_n augustine_n name_n be_v not_o prefix_a do_v doubt_n whether_o the_o 2.4_o 6.8_o sermon_n with_o many_o more_o of_o they_o there_o on_o the_o say_a word_n of_o the_o apostle_n be_v augustine_n or_o no._n second_o for_o that_o proof_n mr_n t_o express_v the_o first_o part_n of_o it_o be_v here_o out_o of_o cyprian_a de_fw-fr lapsis_fw-la quote_v by_o august_n in_o epist._n 33._o the_o second_o part_n be_v in_o his_o examen_fw-la out_o of_o augustine_n in_o his_o 1_o book_n of_o merit_n and_o remission_n of_o sin_n chap._n 20._o on_o the_o word_n john_n 6.53_o and_o maldonat_a on_o john_n 6._o who_o confess_v that_o innocentius_n the_o first_o bishop_n of_o rome_n hold_v it_o necessary_a for_o infant_n and_o that_o this_o opinion_n and_o practice_v continue_v about_o 600_o year_n in_o the_o church_n though_o it_o be_v now_o reject_v by_o the_o r._n church_n in_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n thus_o mr_n t._n now_o we_o answer_v to_o these_o thing_n in_o the_o general_n thus_o 1._o that_o here_o be_v produce_v only_o matter_n of_o fact_n but_o no_o rule_n so_o much_o as_o pretend_v out_o of_o any_o scripture_n council_n or_o any_o father_n for_o it_o by_o those_o that_o use_v it_o 2._o that_o this_o fact_n be_v for_o about_o 150_o year_n from_o cyprian_a till_o augustine_n very_o rare_a as_o before_o cyprian_a helvie_n helvie_n from_o who_o up_o to_o the_o last_o of_o the_o apostle_n be_v near_o 140_o year_n i_o find_v no_o mention_n of_o it_o at_o all_o in_o the_o best_a antiquity_n and_o for_o this_o reason_n it_o be_v rare_o use_v because_o the_o ancient_n upon_o scripture_n sway_v they_o be_v all_o along_o so_o confident_a as_o we_o have_v hear_v that_o baptism_n alone_o be_v as_o ordinance_n full_o sufficient_a to_o assure_v they_o of_o the_o salvation_n of_o infant_n which_o cause_v the_o universality_n of_o practice_n of_o infant-baptisme_n all_o along_o in_o those_o time_n in_o particular_a 1._o to_o cyprian_n we_o say_v if_o this_o place_n be_v not_o interline_v and_o corrupt_v with_o patch_n by_o other_o insert_v as_o those_o book_n that_o be_v altogether_o account_v cyprian_n be_v possevin_n be_v so_o revet_z perkins_n cook_n possevin_n and_o if_o in_o this_o silly_a story_n of_o a_o phantisied_a miracle_n unworthy_a of_o learned_a pious_a cyprian_a it_o cyprian_a the_o story_n in_o a_o word_n be_v that_o a_o maiden_n infant_n be_v make_v by_o the_o idol_n worshipper_n to_o suck_v in_o a_o little_a of_o a_o bit_n of_o bread_n sop_v in_o wine_n leave_v by_o they_o that_o have_v there_o sacrifice_v she_o be_v after_o bring_v by_o her_o mother_n to_o the_o communion_n the_o deacon_n force_v into_o the_o infant_n some_o of_o the_o sacramental_a wine_n she_o present_o vomit_v etc._n etc._n which_o be_v take_v as_o a_o miracle_n to_o discover_v the_o sin_n before_o unknown_a of_o her_o partake_n of_o the_o idol-sop_n popish_a pamelius_n indeed_o hug_v this_o story_n to_o prove_v miracle_n since_o the_o apostle_n and_o transubstantaition_n but_o for_o protestant_n they_o maybe_o rather_o ashamed_a of_o it_o than_o own_o it_o this_o wine_n be_v give_v to_o the_o child_n not_o as_o aliment_v but_o as_o a_o sacrament_n why_o be_v not_o the_o sacramental_a bread_n give_v to_o it_o too_o and_o if_o it_o can_v not_o suck_v down_o a_o crumb_n of_o that_o bread_n as_o it_o be_v say_v they_o give_v it_o the_o idol-sop_n because_o it_o can_v not_o suck_v upon_o the_o flesh_n how_o be_v it_o say_v to_o receive_v the_o lord_n supper_n for_o it_o be_v say_v by_o the_o apostle_n the_o bread_n that_o we_o break_v be_v the_o communion_n of_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n we_o leave_v this_o uncertain_a and_o simple_a testimony_n of_o infant_n commwion_n in_o cyprian_n time_n let_v we_o come_v second_o to_o augustine_n let_v pass_n his_o weakness_n in_o too_o credulous_a quote_v that_o weak_a passage_n in_o cyprian_a his_o rash_a assert_v that_o the_o child_n receive_v the_o lord_n supper_n and_o his_o in_o considerate_a application_n of_o it_o to_o warn_v person_n of_o ripe_a year_n of_o unworthy_a communicate_v whereas_o more_o fit_o he_o may_v have_v infer_v that_o it_o show_v what_o a_o sinful_a human_a invention_n it_o be_v to_o force_v the_o wine_n of_o the_o sacrament_n into_o a_o infant_n i_o say_v let_v pass_v these_o thing_n in_o his_o 23._o ep._n let_v we_o consider_v what_o be_v allege_v out_o of_o he_o in_o his_o book_n of_o the_o merit_n and_o remission_n of_o sin_n chap._n 20._o upon_o occasion_n of_o his_o allege_v john_n 6._o to_o which_o we_o say_v 1._o that_o augustive_a do_v not_o speak_v of_o infant_n receive_v the_o communion_n as_o the_o common_a tenet_n of_o those_o time_n 2._o he_o bring_v in_o some_o dispute_v against_o he_o that_o that_o place_n of_o john_n 6.53_o do_v not_o belong_v to_o infant_n 3._o when_o augustne_v weak_o endeavour_n to_o pull_v that_o text_n to_o reach_v to_o infant_n from_o the_o verb_n plural_a unless_o yes_o shall_v eat_v and_o that_o it_o must_v belong_v to_o child_n too_o or_o else_o to_o those_o only_o who_o christ_n there_o speak_v and_o not_o to_o we_o also_o in_o follow_v age_n etc._n etc._n in_o the_o conclusion_n he_o say_v only_o this_o that_o flesh_n which_o be_v give_v or_o the_o life_n of_o the_o world_n be_v give_v for_o the_o life_n of_o little_a one_o and_o if_o they_o shall_v not_o eat_v the_o flesh_n of_o the_o son_n of_o man_n nor_o shall_v they_o have_v life_n speak_v in_o the_o future_a tense_n or_o time_n as_o for_o maldonat_v that_o popish_a calumniator_n i_o think_v it_o nor_o worth_n while_o to_o turn_v to_o he_o if_o i_o have_v he_o or_o to_o believe_v he_o if_o i_o read_v he_o if_o innocentius_n the_o 1._o bishop_n of_o rome_n so_o think_v and_o say_v its_o wonder_n there_o be_v no_o letter_n or_o epistle_n between_o he_o and_o his_o coeve_n friend_n augustine_n concern_v this_o point_n too_o and_o that_o boniface_n succeed_v innocent_a and_o be_v also_o in_o augustine_n time_n do_v not_o mind_n augustine_n of_o it_o nor_o augustine_n allege_v innocent_a to_o boniface_n in_o his_o 23._o ep._n to_o boniface_n augustine_n touch_v upon_o this_o very_a point_n and_o allege_v cyprian_n for_o it_o in_o that_o epistle_n howsoever_o if_o the_o 600._o year_n of_o that_o opinion_n and_o practice_n be_v those_o next_o before_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n thâ—n_v the_o opinion_n and_o practice_n be_v rare_a and_o private_a in_o cyprian_a and_o augustine_n time_n if_o the_o 600._o year_n must_v begin_v at_o cyprian_a you_o a_o or_o at_o augustine_n and_o his_o coeve_n innocentius_n how_o be_v it_o aver_v that_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n first_o reject_v it_o sure_o it_o be_v a_o gross_a thing_n in_o the_o opinion_n of_o all_o orthodox_n church_n that_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n must_v reform_v thus_o of_o mr_n t._n his_o proof_n that_o the_o error_n of_o infant_n cummunicate_v go_v along_o with_o infant-baptisme_n now_o according_a to_o promise_v a_o word_n of_o the_o connexion_n and_o inference_n to_o make_v it_o a_o argument_n 1._o we_o have_v prove_v infant_n baptism_n to_o be_v no_o error_n therefore_o it_o can_v beget_v a_o error_n in_o the_o administration_n of_o the_o holy_a supper_n 2._o the_o adjunct_n or_o companion_n can_v necessary_o argue_v the_o badness_n of_o the_o subject_n or_o thing_n the_o sun_n shine_v many_o man_n commit_v evil_a yet_o this_o do_v not_o prove_v the_o badness_n of_o the_o sunshine_n 3._o the_o sacrament_n be_v two_o thing_n specifical_o different_a distance_v by_o express_a rule_n that_o only_a self_n examiner_n may_v communicate_v it_o be_v not_o say_v so_o of_o baptism_n therefore_o they_o that_o give_v the_o communion_n to_o infant_n err_v for_o want_v of_o eye_n not_o for_o want_v of_o light_n distinguish_v between_o sacrament_n 4._o many_o error_n for_o many_o hundred_o of_o year_n cleave_v to_o
t._n his_o allegation_n of_o the_o lord_n brookes_n and_o daniel_n rogers_n that_o mr_n t._n do_v not_o dream_v we_o say_v that_o it_o be_v possible_a two_o more_o may_v dream_v as_o well_o as_o mr._n t._n we_o say_v two_o more_o for_o to_o his_o &c._n &c._n and_o other_o elsewhere_o we_o can_v distinct_o answer_v nothing_o where_o nothing_o be_v allege_v but_o for_o the_o two_o particular_o name_v give_v their_o book_n all_o due_a respect_n edit_n robert_n lord_n brookes_n of_o episcopacy_n sect._n 2._o chap._n 7_o p._n 96._o of_o 2._o edit_n 1._o the_o bare_a recital_n of_o the_o lord_n brook_n word_n be_v a_o full_a answer_n which_o be_v these_o i_o will_v not_o i_o can_v take_v on_o i_o to_o defend_v that_o man_n usual_o call_v anabaptism_n yet_o i_o conceive_v that_o sect_n be_v twofold_a some_o of_o they_o hold_v freewill_n community_n of_o all_o thing_n deny_v magistracy_n and_o refuse_v to_o baptise_v their_o child_n these_o true_o be_v such_o heretic_n or_o atheist_n that_o 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that_o that_o age_n hold_v not_o infant-baptism_n from_o unwritten_a tradition_n as_o mr_n t._n assert_n now_o we_o must_v turn_v to_o mr_n t._n his_o examen_fw-la 7._o examem_fw-la sect._n 7._o where_o he_o have_v somewhat_o to_o say_v against_o most_o of_o the_o father_n usual_o allege_v for_o infant-baptism_n and_o so_o against_o cyprian_a 1._o he_o object_n that_o though_o cyprianâ—e_v â—e_z place_v at_o 250_o by_o usher_n or_o at_o 240_o by_o perkins_n and_o consequent_o though_o at_o 248_o by_o we_o yet_o tertullian_n be_v before_o he_o and_o count_v his_o master_n now_o in_o tertullia_n time_n it_o appear_v say_v grotius_n in_o mat._n 19.14_o there_o be_v nothing_o define_v concern_v the_o age_n in_o which_o they_o be_v to_o be_v baptize_v that_o be_v consecrate_v by_o their_o parent_n to_o christian_a discipline_n because_o he_o disswader_n by_o so_o many_o reason_n in_o his_o book_n
the_o mother_n of_o we_o all_o the_o baptism_n of_o thy_o christ_n and_o of_o god_n my_o lord_n and_o the_o mother_n of_o my_o flesh_n be_v much_o trouble_v etc._n etc._n and_o earnest_o hasty_a that_o i_o shall_v be_v initiate_v and_o wash_v with_o the_o save_a sacrament_n etc._n etc._n but_o be_v now_o refresh_v that_o my_o purify_n be_v delay_v and_o augustine_n tell_v we_o the_o reason_n in_o many_o word_n the_o effect_n in_o short_a be_v this_o that_o his_o friend_n think_v that_o more_o indulgence_n be_v to_o be_v allow_v to_o let_v he_o have_v his_o will_n to_o do_v what_o he_o list_v be_v yet_o weak_a and_o not_o full_o recover_v then_o be_v fiâ—_n to_o be_v permit_v in_o case_n hâ—_n have_v be_v baptise_a which_o thing_n augustine_n there_o bewaâ—â—es_v in_o these_o word_n my_o baptism_n be_v delay_v as_o if_o it_o have_v be_v necessary_a i_o shall_v be_v more_o defile_v it_o i_o will_v live_v it_o found_v in_o my_o ear_n from_o these_o and_o those_o let_v he_o alone_o to_o do_v what_o he_o will_v for_o he_o be_v not_o yet_o baptise_a and_o yet_o of_o the_o health_n of_o the_o body_n we_o say_v not_o let_v he_o be_v wound_v more_o for_o he_o be_v not_o yet_o heal_v four_o when_o he_o be_v post_fw-la pueritiam_fw-la past_o the_o age_n of_o childhood_n or_o of_o a_o little_a boy_n or_o lad_n many_o and_o great_a wave_n of_o temptation_n hang_v over_o he_o confession_n he_o so_o in_o the_o same_o book_n &_o chap_n of_o his_o confession_n and_o though_o in_o his_o childhood_n or_o ladship_n he_o love_v not_o his_o learning_n and_o hate_v to_o be_v urge_v to_o it_o yet_o there_o be_v less_o fear_n of_o he_o then_o then_o when_o he_o be_v a_o youth_n adolescentia_fw-la youth_n in_o adolescentia_fw-la so_o in_o the_o 12._o chap._n of_o that_o first_o book_n of_o his_o confession_n five_o after_o this_o before_o his_o baptism_n which_o be_v about_o the_o 34._o year_n of_o his_o age_n as_o we_o show_v afore_o he_o run_v into_o blasphemous_a error_n in_o so_o 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whether_o he_o be_v of_o religious_a parent_n the_o contrary_a be_v more_o probable_a by_o some_o passage_n out_o of_o augustine_n we_o have_v there_o quote_v and_o it_o be_v doubtful_a of_o adeodatus_n whether_o he_o be_v baptize_v at_o 15._o year_n old_a as_o be_v allege_v 2._o touch_v theodosius_n the_o great_a for_o that_o be_v the_o man_n i_o suppose_v mr_n t._n mean_v it_o be_v true_a that_o both_o pezelius_n and_o socrates_n scholasticus_n do_v tell_v we_o that_o he_o be_v baptize_v at_o man_n estate_n but_o they_o do_v not_o make_v out_o that_o which_o be_v deficient_a in_o mr_n t._n his_o assertion_n namely_o whether_o his_o parent_n or_o either_o of_o they_o be_v christian_n when_o he_o be_v a_o infant_n it_o be_v true_a that_o they_o say_v he_o be_v former_o train_v up_o in_o christianity_n but_o by_o the_o story_n it_o seem_v to_o i_o that_o religion_n do_v not_o so_o cease_v upon_o his_o spirit_n or_o that_o he_o do_v so_o declare_v himself_o against_o arrianisme_n and_o 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