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A89859	Weaknes above wickednes, and truth above subtilty. Which is the Quakers defence against the boaster and his deceitfull slanders. Clearly seen in an answer to a book called Quakers quaking; devised by Jeremiah Ive's against the dispised contemptible people trampled on by the world, and scorned by the scorners. In which the deceits are turned into the deceivers bosome, and the truth cleared from the accuser. In much plainesse, that the simple may see and perceive, and come to be gathered to the Lamb, from amongst the armies of the wicked, who have now set themselves against the Lord, and sees it not. Also some queries to Jeremy Ive's touching his false doctrine and deceits. / by one who is called, James Nayler.	Naylor, James, 1617?-1660.	1656 (1656)	Wing N327; ESTC R207303	22,439	32

WEAKNES above WICKEDNES AND TRVTH above SVBTILTY Which is the Quakers Defence against the Boaster and his deceitfull slanders Clearly seen in an ANSWER to a BOOK called QVAKERS QVAKING Devised by Jeremiah Ive's against the dispised contemptible people trampled on by the world and scorned by the scorners In which the deceits are turned into the deceivers bosome and the truth cleared from the accuser In much plainnesse that the simple may see and perceive and come to be gathered to the Lamb from amongst the Armies of the wicked who have now set themselves against the Lord and sees it not Also some Queries to Jeremy Ive's touching his false Doctrine and Deceits By one who is called JAMES NAYLER LONDON Printed for Giles Calvert at the Black-spread-Eagle near the West end of Pauls 1656. WEAKNESSE ABOVE WICKEDNESSE AND Truth ABOVE Subtilty Which is the Quakers Defence against the Boaster and his deceitfull slanders Clearly seen in an ANSVVER to a Book called Quakers Quaking Devised by Jeremy Ive's against the dispised contemptible people trampled on by the world and scorned by the scorners WELL knew the Apostle what he said when he desired the Saints prayers that he might be delivered from Men without faith for he well knew them above all others to be the most unreasonable And the same is seen in thee Jeremy Ive's who having denyed the faith of God which is the gift of God in his Saints and set up a faith of thine own which is not the gift of God and therein hath set up in thy vaine Phylosophy and deceitfull craft wherewithall thou art become so unreasonable as not only to use thy crafty reason in broaching deceitful blasphemous doctrins denying the faith of God once received of the Saints contending against it not to be the gift of God as thou didst at Gerrard Roberts before many witnesses But also using thy craft to reason against the truth of God manifest in his Saints the Light of the world manifest in the world in which all the world may be a witness against thee yea against the plaine expresse words of the Scripture as will appear in this thy Book yea against Christ himselfe who is that Spirit whereby to set up another for judgement as by thy reasoning at Gerrard Roberts before many people where thou said that a man may understand the Scriptures without the Spirit of God and so try the Spirits and went about to prove it with thy cursed art which thing to affirme in plainnesse and truth is to deny the Spirit of Christ for to be the Teacher Judger and Tryer of all Spirits and to set up the spirit of the Devill in its stead for he that tryeth and judgeth without the Spirit of God doth it with the spirit of Satan and with that Spirit did the Scribes and Pharisees who denyed the gift of God as thou dost understand the Scriptures and try the Spirit of Jesus and Judged him to be a Devill and a Deceiver as thou dost such in whom he is manifest for which end thou hast mustered up this heap of filth and lies in thy Book to cast upon the truth and make it odious and the greatest strength thou hast in this thy work is thy vaine Phylosophy and craft with which thou reasons against the Truth both in the Saints now manifest and against the plaine Scriptures Which things may so plainly be seen to be but a heap of subtilty where the least honesty may judge thereof so that there is little danger of its doing any hurt where the least measure of innocency is minded so I shall not much trouble my selfe in the answering every particular of thy vaine stories slanders and lies onely some few I shall speak too as may serve to discover the rest what root they are of Thou commends thy Work to thy Brethren whom thou calls the Churches of Christ called to be faithfull c. And thou sayes thou knowes none to whom thy work will be more welcome I say if they be Brethren of thy Faith who with thee have denyed the Faith of Christ and set up a Faith of their own then it is like that thy work should be most welcome unto such whose faith is to believe lyes for the Devills Faith is most fit to receive and welcome the Devills work And thou tells of raising the siege laid by the Adversaries to your Faith and order I say fitly are these two put together being neither the Faith nor order of the Saints nor that which the Scripture will own neither your faith nor practice And he that is a friend of God must be an Enemy of that which is not the gift of God and that which is not the gift of God being gotten by the Devill That we deny First Thou begins about our Quaking whether we may be so called or no about which I shall not contend what Name we receive from the world whether they call us that which is true or that which is not true the thing to me I passe by onely I mind thee of a lye thou tellest because thou seems to promise repentance being better inform'd that is that we foame at the mouth in our Tremblings in our meetings but to them that are blind thou seems to prove it before thou leave it and that is because it was cast upon us in the Westmorland Priests Petition and we did not deny it though we denyed some other things in that Petition which proofe is but thus much that if I leave any of thy lies undenyed which thou hast heaped up in this thy Book the next of thy Bretheren that comes after thee to accuse us may make it a proofe that we are guilty thereof and so the lyar proves to the lyar whilst the Innocent are silent And with such proofes as this hast thou proved many of thy slanders in thy Book which might as clearly be shewed was it worth the while to follow thee into all thy deceits but a few may serve to lead the wise to see the rest The next thing thou accusest is our Doctrine and thou confessest we preach somewhat that is true yet sayest thou in this they are but the greater Deceivers And finding nothing of the truth we preach thou darest accuse thou makes a lye of thine own to accuse us with that is that we will allow of nothing to be called Gods Word but Christ and having cast this upon us thou goes about to disprove it and so disproves thy own lye and not our Doctrine so it being thine own work I shall leave it to thee The next thing thou charges upon us is that we say the Scripture may not be called the word of God which is false also as in thy sence for we own the Scripture where it is given to any by the inspiration of God to be the word to such but to others who have it not of God they may read the letter and not hear the word and have a Bible and be

an affirmative out of a negative if our mouths doe prove the Scripture to be the word then stop thy mouth who charges us for to denie it But thou goest on with thy divination because we say the Scriptures are a declaration of the mind of God from that thou devinest thus That which declares Gods will is Gods word But the Scriptures declares Gods will Ergo It is Gods word As much as if thou hadst said Balaams Asse declared Gods will Ergo Balaams Asse is Gods word Which I think few will affirme yet such is thy divination and thy proofe in this like the rest of thy Book And when thou hast thus done thou belyest us againe saying that we say the Scriptures are not Gods word which is false for where the Scriptures are given by Inspiration of God it is Gods word but when the Devill or the Infidell steals them out of a Book he gets but the letter which he wresteth to his own destruction in denying the Spirit therewith and opposing Christ the light of the world which is the next thing thou settest upon And though thou be made to confesse that Christ is the true light that lighteth every man that coms into the world yet would thou make people believe it is not sufficient and calls it an Errour for us to say that this light is able to teach a man to worship God rightly and yet here confounds thy selfe and confesseth that its nature and property hath such attendency that is sayest thou as if God had said I have done that which is sufficient for thy purgation and thus thou applyest to the light of Christ to prove that it is not sufficient and in plaine words afterwards confesseth that Christ had done that which is able to enlighten and informe the world and this light thou confessest he hath enlightned every one withall and yet calls it an Errour for us to say that his light is sufficient Hath not thy imaginations blinded thee herein doth this true light enlighten every man that cometh into the world and is able to enlighten and informe the world into the knowledge of it and hath it such a nature property and tendency and yet must be an errour to say that it is sufficient to guide in the wayes of God It seemeth thou mayest say a thing and confesse it for truth who denies it in the life but if we say it that live in it it is counted an Errour The next piece of thy divination is that if every man have received this light then every man hath received Christ for he is that Light and in this here is a double deceit First in seeming to deny what before thou confessed that Christ enlightens every man that comes into the world Secondly because Christ is that light thou wouldst make that light Christ which many have the light of Christ which lets them see their evill deeds but not believing and following never come to the new Birth or Christ formed in them but walk in darknesse though they see the light that doth reprove them thou bringest that Scripture John 11. 10. But if a man walk in the night he stumbleth because there is no light in him And with this thou wouldst deny that the light is in every man when as the words hath relation to his way which is true in the way of the wicked there is no light yet in the heart of the wicked there is a light which condemns his wicked wayes who is gone out of the light into the darknesse and so being in the night stumbles because the light is not in that way but in that which reproves that way so that he that is in selfe is in darknesse yet doth the light shine in the darknesse which manifests the deeds of darknesse and reproves them and this shall all men witnesse to whereby thy deceite shall be daily more laid open Thy next thing thou wouldst prove that the day of Judgement is not past I say my desire is that thou wouldst mind it and prepare for it by leaving thy lying and deceit and wicked envy for a wofull day will that be to thee if thou be found in thy sin pleading for it unrepented of all this heap of confusion in thy Book which thou hast raked together to cast upon the Truth will then lye heavy upon thy Head For thy Water Bread and Wine c. I have spoken to formerly which may stand till it be disproved Thy next work is to prove respect of persons a thing which God never commanded but hath often forbidden neither canst thou find one Scripture that commands it yet thy impudency is such that thou perverts that Scripture Lev. 19. 32. into a lye and faith it is Thou shalt honour the person What a standing Rule is this word of yours that the deceite can thus turne quite into another thing then it speaks the Devill likes such a word as he can turne every way to plead for his kingdome With it he can plead for his pride though it condemns pride For respect of persons though it forbid respect of persons For swearing though it say Swear not at all Nay is there any thing so vile which his subtilty in his servants cannot plead for therewith no wonder though in all his he thus contends for that to be the word which he can thus wrest for if the creature once believeth that to be the word which God hath written in their hearts which the Devill cannot change then is the Devill undone and his kingdome broken and his many wayes of deceit hedged up when that one way and one word comes to be known which word didst thou minde would judge the lyar in thee who faith we make it a note of our infallible ministry that we doe not reverence men and charges us with denying honour and respect due to Parents Masters Husbands and Wives c. a thing which never entred into our hearts but what our words and live doth witnesse against Another lie thou tellest That thou dare say not one of ten of us shall give the same Answer to a Question To which I say There is little that may be a reproach to the truth but thou dare say it But upon what ground doest thou say this having never proved ten of us therein and denying the Spirit of Prophesie in thee must it not be by the Divination of witchcraft by which thou can foretell such things as never was seen nor heard and indeed the more to be suspected because it is a lie Thy next thing thou would prove that Christ hath two bodies This I know That Christ is the head of one body and that Christ I own but how he hath two bodies and but one head or how thou wilt sever Christ from that body which ascended which is the head or make that into a head and a body I shall not here dispute with thee it serveth me to know that that body is my head and of the

Church which is his body which cannot be said to be Christ distinct from that body and so cannot properly be said to have two bodies the one of them being the Christ Neither doe we herein deny that Christ our head to take flesh wholly as thou falsly accuseth us but we own him that came from Heaven and is ascended into Heaven that word that became flesh and dwelt among us which thou knowest not who hath denied that faith which is the gift of God with Himancus Pluentus with whom thou wouldst charge us adding a lie thereto as though we say the Resurrection is past And another lie thou tellest that one of us being asked the Question answers that Christ was but a figure and to prove that lie thou sayest See Sauls Errand to Damascus page 54. when that Book hath but 37 pages in it a sutable proof for such a lie Neither is there such an Answer by any of us in all that Book as thus thou proves thy work with thy owne shame And thou goes on to tell whom we have affinity with as Gnosticks and Mamchers c. but is not thy affinity with them who art so well skill'd in their Opinions which we meddle not with and is it not by their Spirit which thou boasts to know what ten of us will say before hand their Spirits we deny and thine also with the Papists and the rest which thy filthy mind would compare us to to make us odious that with the rest of thy bundle of light vain frothy talk and stories which thou hast set in thy Book which airie spirit stinks and its words in the nostrills of all sober men as thy long story of a Monk set in a Chaire of carrying a bushel of coals to Newcastle of Hares and Hounds of Apes and coulting language and such filthy stuffe as thou fillest thy Book with might sute a Stage-play more like then a sober Christian all which we turn thee back with the heap of thy confusion which in thy Book is not worth answering Then thou comest to the conclusion as thou sayest and thou exhortest that every one would compare what thou hast writ with the holy Scripture and then judge So say I also that they may see thee a perverter of Scripture and a liar as I have proved thee Another lie thou tellest also that all that thou hast writ against us is either from our own mouths or our own writings when the greatest part of the accusations thou hast gathered out of a bloody persecuting Petition of the Priests of Westmorland which are their lies cast upon us not our words nor writings And the rest are such as with thy Divination thou hast raised out of the bottomlesse pit which with the truth are turned upon thine own head but us they touch not Something more thou makest as though thou couldst say of the evill manners of some of our Teachers but thou forbeatest To which I say they that are blind may believe it is thy moderation but who hath an eye to see how into the depth of Satan thou art gone to drag up all this filth in thy book to cast upon us who are clear of it I say he who well notes this will find cause to be of another mind Thou addest a Postscript to thy Book no lesse full of wickednesse then the rest and that is wherein thou hast perverted my words into a lye who was speaking of the two Seeds the Old Man and the New one born after the flesh the other after the Spirit and because I said that Christ is not born after the flesh but after the Spirit this thou wouldst pervert as though I denied Christ come in the flesh at Jerusalem which some seeing thy murtherous mind at that time did write down the words then spoken and have set to their hands which may shew thy wickednesse and clear the truth as followeth 22d 4th Month 1656. At the Bull Mouth in Martins London JAmes Naylor declaring of the two Seeds the Seed of the Woman and the Seed of the Serpent the light being in the One and the Darknesse in the other in reference to what Jeremy Ives alledged from that Scripture He that walketh not according to this Rule it is because there is no light in him said That Christ was not born after the flesh but after the Spirit That that which was born after the flesh was flesh and that which was born after the Spirit was Spirit and except a man was born of water and the Spirit he cannot see the Kingdome of God Jeremy Ives hearing what was spoken said I have now what I lookt for and afterwards demanded of James Naylor the same thing againe James Naylor said That Christ was not borne after the flesh but after the Spirit and immediately adjoyned For that which is born after the flesh is flesh and that which is born after the Spirit is Spirit And also said that Christ was begotten of the Father and born of the Virgin that he was true flesh and true blood and that he appeared in the likenesse of sinfull flesh but was not sinfull Hest And these words he spake together whereof we are Witnesses George Bishop Richard Greneway Robert Rich. William Wilson Richard Davies Humfrey Wollrich Robert Dring John Clarke AND whereas thou sayest the Scripture makes no such distinction as born after the flesh and after the Spirit read Gal. 4. 29. and thou mayest see that lie contradicted And that be that is born after the flesh is a persecuter of him that is born after the Spirit So it was before Christ suffered at Jerusalem and so it is now Neither was Christ as he was born of Mary born after the flesh but by promise begotten and brought forth though he was true and holy flesh in the likenesse of sinsull flesh but not sinfull flesh being begotten not of sinfull flesh but of the Holy Ghost by the word of the promise which word became flesh but is not after the flesh but how shouldst thou know what he is that came down from Heaven or how he is born who hast denied the faith which is the gift of God Thy earthly faith knowes not the heavenly body whose flesh is the life of all Creatures how it is begotten neither how it is born A Promise thou makest in the latter end of thy Book which here I mind thee of which if thou perform may be profitable to thy soule therefore I am the more willing to put thee on it The Promise is this That if by the words of truth it shall be made manifest that thou hast spoken any untruth thou shalt with readinesse of mind make a publick acknowledgement of it unto the world which if thou perform now that thy lies are clearly laid open there is not much of thy Book that must stand undenied But that Spirit which made the Promise so far before hand whose repentance stands in thy own will will never perform this Promise Thou