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A48248 A friendly discourse between an English dissenter and a French Protestant concerning the liturgy and ceremonies of the Church of England. By Daniel la Fite, M.A. Rector of East-Dean, in the county of Sussex. The first part.; Friendly discourse between an English dissenter and a French Protestant. Part 1 Lafite, Daniel. 1691 (1691) Wing L177; ESTC R201987 32,685 118

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