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A70229	The Quakers appeal answer'd, or, A full relation of the occasion, progress, and issue of a meeting held in Barbican the 28th of August last past wherein the allegations of William Pen in two books lately published by him against Thomas Hicks, were answered and disproved, and Tho. Hicks, his quotations out of the Quakers own books attested by several as being appeal'd unto.	Hicks, Thomas, 17th cent.; Kiffin, William, 1616-1701.	1674 (1674)	Wing H1924; ESTC R2772	24,153	49

Spirit of Truth Vindicated by W. Pen. These with our present Discourse that is Reason against Rayl Let them Answer Thus W. Pen. 2. Head or Matters of Practice That it concerns them to render their Adversaries as Ridiculous as they can and to make their Friends believe they do nothing but contradict themselves And if this fail to Insinuate by way of Question something that may be a Slander to them See his Dial. 1. pag. 72. VVill. Pen. This is a Forgery O horrible Impiety God our God Vindicate our Innocency from these Hillish Slanders Reas against Rayl pag. 138. 161. Were we what he Represents us to be in this very Matter the severest Plagues and Judgments of the Eternal God we might justly expect to be our Portion Ibid. pag. 4. Tho. Hicks Whether I have wrong'd them or not in giving such an Answer in their Names Let these Quotations be Read and Considered Our Ignorance of his Name deprives us of that Scope which we might otherwise have for producing perhaps as large a Catalogue of Doctrinal Mistakes in what he himself or those to whom he adheres have writ Perhaps also he was afraid of such Truth as may be seasonably told of him to the Discrediting of his Enterprise Thus Will Pen in answer to the Author of the Spirit of the Quakers tried Spirit of truth Vind. pag. 6. G. Whitehead in his Answer to Mr. Danson Insinuates a Slander upon him by way of Question He saith Whitehead stiles himself sometimes Minister of the Gospel at Sandwich But is not rather that Report of him true that there he was given to Gaming Bowls and Ninepins c. See Divinity of Christ written by G. Whitehead pag. 49. This Question was put by G. Whitehead not because Mr. Danson was guilty but meerly to Slander him will appear from what Will. Pen says in his Apology for his Friend Whitehead in this very thing Who knows not saith Pen That the Priests give themselves a Liberty of more than that What Game almost do they scruple to play at And if G. Whitehead to detect the Priest since others gave themselves that Loose did therefore make that Query Must it therefore be taken for granted that he concluded him such Spir. of truth Vind. page 137. Hear the Complaint of another who very well knows the Temper and Practices of the Quakers If any persons saith he Write or Speak their Grief that is at the Quakers Miscarriages that the Publick take notice of it they will Represent them under such Terms as may render them Odious And the more Effectually to weaken their Testimonies they will Fix upon them Scurrilous and contemptible Appellations And to prevent any Inquisition into the truth of the Matter they would make People believe that they are Envious Malicious Dirty Factious and Ranting Spirits Spir. of the Hat pag. 36 37. 2. I accuse the Quakers for calling such as ask them Questions Reprobates And saying they are in the Sorcery and Witchcraft VVill. Pen. This is a great Lye Reas against Rayl pag. 154 156. Tho. Hicks Be pleased to read Edw. Burroughs his Answers to Twenty serious Questions and you will find that which is sufficient to clear me from Lying His words are these Thou Reprobate and child of darkness the Light condemns thee and thy Generation eternally We witness thee to be in the Sorcery and Witchcraft Thou art Darkness it self Thou Dragon thy Queries are Conjured in the Black-art out of the bottomless Pit Thou Diviner we witness thee to be the Beast which wars with the Lamb Thou Antichrist which looks at Christs Death at Jerusalem alone Thou art seen with the Light and with it condemned for ever Thou blind Pharisee and Blasphemer Thou Jesuite art pleading for a Christ afar off thee Thou art under the Wo and from that Wo thou shalt never flee Let all People see whether thou be not a blind Ignorant Sot Here thou Repliest thy Sottish Queries concerning the Body of Jesus as the Devil did about the body of Moses Thou disobedient one upon whom God will render Vengeance in flaming Fire Thou art accursed Thou Beast to whom the Plagues of God are due upon whom the wrath of God must be accomplished Thou art shut out from God for ever Thou blind Hypocrite Thou Cain Thou full of Subtilty VVith the Light thou art seen and with the Life thou art Judged and Condemned Thou dead Beast thou art unredeemed from thy vain conversation and so art not Justified nor never shalt be Stop thy Mouth thou Sorcerer The same that justifies us shall condemn thee Eternally The manner of Christs being in the Saints thou knowest not who art a Reprobate and shalt find him to thy Eternal Condemnation O thou dark Beast and Conjurer Querying with thy conjured words Thou Blasphemer thou Serpent thou dark Sottish Beast c. † Ed. Burroughs blessed God that had discovered the Querist saying thy Queries are answered lovingly and plainly in Scripture Language and Terms Ibid. p. 34. Edw. Burroughs's works pag. 29. to 34. 3. That VVill. Pen by the sence of the Eternal Spirit doth declare That those Cursing Railing and Lying Answers of Edw. Burroughs were the only fit Answers to the Priests Trappaning Questions See Dial. 3. pag. 80. Will. Pen. Oh ungodly Slander the Lord rebuke thy Foul spirit Counterfeit Christ pag. 44. Tho. Hicks These are William Pens words with respect to the Answers Edw. Burroughs gave to the 20 Questions before hinted I warrant it saith Pen from God and by the sence of his Eternal Spirit do declare That it was the Portion and only fit answer to be given to those Trappaning questions † O horrid Excuse of such Raylings which is far worse than the Answers given And had Edw. Burroughs gone into a Familiar opening unto his Vulterous Unclean Serpentine Eye all the deep things of the Spirit of God and Mysteries of Holy Kingdom who was in that Nature that Crucified the Lord of them Edw. Burroughs had brought the wrath of the Eternal God upon himself instead of the Priest Will. Pen Reas against Rayl pag. 164. 4. Another Evil I accuse them of is Preferring their Pamphlets before the Bible This was proved from the Titles they give to their own books and the Titles they give to the Scripture viz. The Voice of Wisdom Breathings of true Love Shield of Truth A Spiritual Glass Light risen out of Darkness These are the Titles given to several of their books But the Scriptures are called Letter Dead Letter Paper Ink and Writing Carnal Letter c. 'T is easie to judge by these Titles to which the preference is given 5. They bid people follow the Light within and if they do not they load them with bitter Revilings Will. Pen calls this a great Lye Reas against Rayl pag. 154. 156. VVhereas the truth of this is so notorious that it needs no proof Witness their Railings at such that in Conscience oppose them and their Errors 6. They say

THE QUAKERS APPEAL ANSWER'D OR A FULL RELATION Of the Occasion Progress and Issue of a Meeting held in Barbican the 28 th of August last past VVherein the Allegations of William Pen in Two BOOKS lately Published by Him against Thomas Hicks were Answered and Disproved And Tho. Hicks his Quotations out of the Quakers own Books Attested by several as being appeal'd unto Published for Common Information Deut. 19.16 c. If a false VVitness arise against any man to Testifie against him that which is False Then both the Men between whom the controversieis shall stand up before the Lord before the Priests and the Judges which shall be in those days And the Judges shall make Diligent Inquisition and behold if the Witness be a false Witness Then you shall do unto him as he thought to have done unto his Brother So shall you put the Evil away from you LONDON Printed for Peter Parker at the Leg and Star in Cornhil over against the Royal Exchange 1674. Where are Sold the three Dialogues between a Christian and a Quaker To the Reader WHereas there have been several Books published of late by Thomas Hicks by way of Dialogue between a Christian and a Quaker Against which the people called Quakers have manifested great offence G. Whitehead calls the First Dialogue a malitious Forgery and Fiction stuft with manifest slanders against persons and principles Dip. pl. p. 1. To the first and second Dialogues William Pen wrote an Answer Intituled Reason against Ratling and Truth against Fiction c. Unto which Thomas Hicks replyed in a Third Dialogue Intituled The Quaker condemned out of his own mouth To this last William Pen saith something in his Counterfeit Christian Detected c. Wherein he doth charge Thomas Hicks with vile Forgeries and black slanders c. By way of Appeal to all sober people especially those called Anabaptists in and about the City of London And at the end of which book we have these words by way of appeal A Postscript by another hand We expect to hear what the Baptists in and about London will say as being appealed to concerning their Brother Tho. Hicks his proceeding in his three Dialogues and whether they approve thereof or of such Play-Books or Romances about Religion yea or nay For they are highly concerned to give Judgement and to be plain to the world herein as they tender the Glory of God and the Reputation of Religion c. Now if you the Teachers and Elders c. among the Baptized people do not publickly clear your selves of Tho. Hicks and these his unjust proceedings against us and hereafter he further persists therein we may take it for granted that you own his work and may justly deal with him and pursue him not onely as Tho. Hicks but as the Baptists great Champion peculiar Agent or Representative But if you ingenuously clear your selves of him and his corrupt perverse work then his future miscarriages will be chargeable onely upon Tho. Hicks himself and you shall appear to the world so far clear thereof and approve your selves the more honest and sincere towards God Truth and Religion The aforesaid book of William Pens was distributed at the doors of some of our Meeting places the second of August last Though some of us met not with it till several days after Upon the reading of this Appeal we were concerned to examine the several things charged by William Pen against Tho. Hicks and the rather because the said Appeal signifies that if we did not deal with him as such a person therein represented they would interpret his proceedings as the Act of the whole Baptists c. Now forasmuch as Thomas Hicks is a member with us and one whose conversation hath been honest and unblameable to the best of our knowledge having so heavy a charge exhibited against him viz. A Forger and a Lyar we could do no less than desire Tho. Hicks to give us a Publick-meeting that we might hear what he could say hereunto and if he had done them any wrong either by misquoting of them in any of their books or slandering of them in any thing he had charged them with That we might if any such thing appeared discharge that duty towards him as becomes us viz. either to bring him to acknowledge his evil as Publickly as he had wronged them or to have disowned him as a person unworthy of countenance amongst us in case he should refuse so to do It being altogether contrary to our principles and practice to allow any amongst us that shall either in word or deed wrong any sort of men Hereupon a Letter was sent to William Pen as followeth William Pen Whereas an Appeal has been made to us in a Book lately published by thee Intituled The Counterfeit Christian Detected c. That we should clear our selves of Tho. Hicks and As the Appeal expresseth it of his unjust proceedings against the Quakers These are therefore to acquaint Thee that we have desired Tho. Hicks to give us a publick meeting that we might hear his Answer both with respect to those Doctrines and matters of Fact which he in his Dialogues hath laid to the Quakers charge At which meeting thy self with some others of thy friends are expected to be present And we do also entreat and expect from you that as you have in Print accused him of Forgery and lying so you would suffer him withou interruption to make his own defence otherwise we shall not be able to give Judgement whether he hath wronged you or not William Kissen Han. Knollys Tho. Paul Lawrence Wise Henry Forty James Jones London 15 th of August 1674. The meeting will be on the 28 th instant at Mr. Gosnels meeting-place in Barbican at two of the Clock in the Afternoon This Letter was sealed and directed to William Pen at his house at Rickmansworth or elsewhere and left with Phillip Ford for conveyance Who presumed to break open the letter and accordingly returned this Answer to the persons before named Yesterday I received a Letter from you directed to William Pen concerning a meeting to be the 28th instant at which you say you expect him This serves onely to give you notice that he was gone into the East of England about three weeks agoe and when his return will be I know not neither doe I know how to give him notice hereof and therefore I do not see that he is likely to be there except you had been pleased to have appointed a time when he was in the City or so near that he might have had timely notice of your intentions If this be designedly done it is not fair but if not the debate must be suspended till a time in which the parties concerned with you by mutual consent agree upon a time This I thought good to let you know and do judge you ought to let others know it that so vain boasting may be prevented as much as in us lyeth which is all

God himself is the immediate Teacher of his People and yet they appoint their Ministers to speak in such a place c. Dial. 2. p. 66. Will. Pen saith this is a very Lye Reas against Rayl pag. 156. I answer Why may they not as well appoint persons before-hand as they do Meetings several days before This latter was made an Excuse for Will. Pens absence from this Meeting It is usual said a Friend of Will. Pens for him to appoint Meetings some dayes before engaging to be there and he must not break his promise c. But if this will not amount to a full Proof of my Charge then let me refer you to the Complaint of one that was no stranger to their practices And what meaneth saith he of the Quakers That certain persons are appointed to spend the whole time in Speaking in every Meeting and all the rest to come as Hearers neglecting the Gift in themselves only waiting upon their Lips Spirit of the Hat p. 29. 7. I accuse them for Intitling God to sleeveless Errands Of this I have given several Instances Dial. 1. pag. 27. which cannot be disproved 8. I charge them for refusing a publick Meeting to Debate the chief things in Difference between them and others Vnder pretence of being cautious of running themselves into Jeopardies See Dial. 3. pag. 88. Will. Pen. This is a Notorious Falshood Counterf Christ. pag. 45. Tho. Hicks That they did refuse I can prove by many Witnesses and that they excused themselves as before Tho. Priors Letter to Mr. Haworth will testifie His words were these It is expected that the Book stiled The Quakers Converted be the subject of the Dispute and also that equal Liberty be admitted on both sides And that the place be free from Disturbance and Molestation For we understand that some of the Magistrates have made Enquiry and are offended Therefore I find that my Friends are Cautious not to run themselves voluntarily into such Jeopardies on slight Invitations c. The Reasons why they desired the place to be free from Molestation was given in a second Letter viz. 1. That W. Haworth and his Company might seriously consider of it as not to draw and Invite others into Hazard and Danger 2. That they would be no means or Cause of Molestation directly or indirectly giving the Magistrates occasion either by too much noise aforehand or by Heat or Passion against us But still the Book Stiled the Quaker Converted must be the subject of the Debate Whereas the Meeting was propounded to Debate the chief things in Difference between them and others and the utmost Answer that as yet hath been given thereunto is this After the aforesaid Book hath been fully Examin'd and Discours'd Then if W. Haworth hath not Disputing enough he hath Liberty to propose other Questions in writing And if they be such Learned ones as may tend to Peoples Edification A A farther time may be granted to Debate them Thus Tho. Prior in his second Letter Moreover I did above a Year ago send six Questions to G. VVhitehead promising to meet him to Debate them in the most publick Place I could get but he would not accept thereof See Dial. 3. p. 86 87. 9. That they own the Scripture as far as it agrees to the Light in them See Dial. 1. pag. 66. Will. Pen. This is an arrant Forgery Reas against Ray. p. 160. Thomas Hicks This is before proved in their asserting the Scriptures to be given forth from the light within 10 Did the light within Create the Heavens and the Earth yea Is it the immediate object of Divine Worship yea William Pen. These Answers are Forgeries Reas against Rayl 158 159. Tho. Hicks See this at large proved under the Head of the light being God 11 That if those things objected against the Quakers in two former Dialogues be true that then Will. Pen hath confest that a Quaker is quite another thing than a Christian Dial. 3d. p. 1. William Pen. This is a forgery I never said nor confess'd any such thing in all my life Counterf Chr. p. 13. Tho. Hicks Will. Pen hath written these words He that is Tho. Hicks now to vindicate himself from such Injustice hath given us a second part wherein he hopes to make good what he hath charged upon us by Quotations out of our own Books which if faithfully done I shall freely acknowledge that a Quaker is quite another thing than a Christian Will. Pen. Reas against Rayl p. 2. 12 These words which I relate in VVill. Pens name viz. Were we what he represents us the severest plagues and Iudgements of God would be our portion Dial. 3d. p. 1 2. These I say he accounts a Forgery Counterf Chr p. 15. Let Will. Pens own book be read and you will find these VVords there viz. were we what he represents us in this very matter the severest plagues and judgements of the Eternal God we might justly expect to be our portion for ever Will. Pen Reas against Rayl p. 4. 13 VVill. Pen accuseth me with a down-right Forgery in giving this Answer in George Whitheads name viz. That the plagues and judgements of God will follow thee Dial. 2. p. 1. Reas against Rayling p. 163. The truth of this Answer see attested to under Mr. Iohn Gladmans hand Dial. 3d. p. 85. 14 That their owning Christ is no other than a meer Mystical Romance And that the light in them sees no necessity of a Mediator VVill. Pen. These are lyes and slanders Reas ag Rayl p. 154. Tho. Hicks They that deny Jesus Christ to be a distinct person without us are guilty of the first And they that maintain That God accepts not any who do not fulfill the Law and answer every demand of Justice can see no necessity of a Mediator 15 Another Lye Will. Pen doth accuse me of is this That the Quakers deny Christs visible coming and appearance in the world See his Reas ag rayl p. 154. where he refers you to Dial. 2d p 37 45. Be pleased to examine the pages referred unto by Will. Pen and then Judge The question there is this Whether Christ did not dwell amongst his Saints after another manner and more Visible than now he dwells in them To which Edward Burroughs return'd this Answer For thy word Visible he is not nor never was Visible to thee nor thy Generation c. Upon this I said That the Quaker denyes that Christ was ever visible to wicked men such as he esteemed the Querist to be c. See Dial. 2d p. 37. 16 That they account the Blood of Christ no more than the blood of a common Theif See Dial. 1. VVill. Pen. This is an ungodly Aspersion Reas ag Rayl p. 154. Tho. Hicks See this fully proved Dial. 2d p. 3 4. 17 That one of their friends bid her husband take another woman Dial. 2d p. 63. 18 That a Revelation hath been pretended to excuse the payment of a just Debt Dial. 1. 26.