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A79570 The church-man and the Quaker dialoguing: with a reply to an answer to a late pamphlet, called, A sober dialogue between a Scotch Presbyterian, a London church-man, and a real Quaker 1699 (1699) Wing C3997; ESTC R231838 14,460 32

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Christ revealed in themselves and that there is not another Christ from him that came in the Flesh and died without the Gates of Jerusalem but one and the same Christ and that the Light of Jesus Christ which they so much despise and contemn this would end all their Controversies heal their Diseases remove all their Doubts bind up all their Wounds and Breaches if they would but come to the Teachings of God's Spirit and the Anointing in themselves this would be an Infallible Touch-Stone and Rule of Trial unto them for one and all And truly my desire is he may return to this that he may be healed and know the Breach made up which he hath made if it were the Lord 's Will. Ch. Oh my old Friend if thou art sincere herein and what thou say'st be true of him he is not the Man that some take him for Qua. I am sincere and what I say is true of him and he himself hath declared this great Truth That the People and Children of God in all Ages have been strangers unto the World and unknown to it and have been for Signs and Wonders their Doctrine their Laws their Conversations hath always been accounted strange and ridiculous and they have been reckoned Deceivers and Blasphemers c. And yet now this Man that with us reckoned himself to be of this Number and continued among us about Thirty Years and said Such viz. The Children of God having one Mind Soul Spirit and Life in them all they cannot but know one another in that wherein their Unity stands p. 186 187. and Fellowship and Communion one with another and this Unity of Spirit is the Bond of Peace And he farther saith If they did not Infallibly know one another they could not have Peace and Unity and Concord one with another How could they discern the true Friend from the secret Enemy the Deceiver which is the most dangerous Enemy and comes into all outwards and appearances can put on the Sheep's Cloathing yet be a rotten Hypocrite a Limb of Satan a Brat of Babylon void of all fear of God And he further adds That these many Churches that have been set up in the Apostacy have not been true Churches by reason of their Warring Hatred Variance Strife Emulation and where-ever any thing of this Spirit of Strife Hatred p. 189. Envy Persecution enters it eats as a Canker and cuts off of the Body that Member or Members whereinto it gets enterance and so going from the Unity and the Peace the Love they become past feeling Death rotten Members and are to be cut off and denied And for this Cause we have denied him and now he Rages and Joyns with those that Belie and Slander us and licks up what the foul Stomachs of Persons that were overcharged with prejudice cast forth against us Ch. Hold a little and consider whether what he chargeth you with is not some old dangerous Errors of yours altho lately discovered by him that were re-writ by some of your old Friends that F. Bugg and the Norfolk Clergy-men that have also charged you would have you retract and blame you for Cloaking and accuse you with Painting Tricks and render your Friends G. W. and W. P. and your Chief Leaders to seem to have some of the Policy of the Jesuits and other Popish Orders that to Lie and Disemble is no Sin providing the Peace of the Church can be preserved thereby Qua. Truly my old Acquaintance I must say to me it 's very observable how Glib their Tongues and Swift their Pens run against us how Loud their Clamour and Severe their Charges are and yet how empty are their Alligations and how barren they are of Arguments and void of Proof as if the Mountains had travelled and brought forth a Mouse or according to the Proverb A great Cry and little Wool Can any Man that is Serious and Impartial think that if these Men had any Proof that were as clear as the Sun at Noon-day and as evident as could be demonstrated they would not produce them but no doubt they know they must put the picked Sentences out of our old Friends Books upon the Tenters and stretch them as the Romanists do Hereticks on the Wheel to see if by that they can get any thing from them or by some false Inference and strain'd and undue consequences that they might make the unwary prejudiced Reader conclude that if The Snake in the Grass F. Bugg and G. Keith or the Noisie Rectors of Norfolk which like empty Casks makes the greatest sound being supposed especially the 2 Country-Men and Brethren Snake and G. K. to be learned it must needs be true for they say it And since many of the Country Parsons have got that Book called The Snake in the Grass and Pilgrim's Progress they hug and applaud them as if they were undoubted Truths for alas they see it in Print and if they meet with a Reply and the words they object against be cleared from what they falsly suggest and represent the sense and meaning to be either by other parts of the same Authors Writings out of which they are picked or by a more natural and due Conclusion or fair Interpretation of the words than they cry out for Painting Tricks and Glossings But hear what G. K. saith to such a Case If it be so among Men that the Law-Maker is admitted in point of Controversie the expounder of the Law and if he who writes a Book amongst Men be accounted the fittest to Interpret or give sense or meaning of his words how much more is it necessary that the Spirit of the Lord which gave forth the Scriptures be the expounder of them Now if this Justice be allowed us and this Rule observed why should our Friends G. W. and W. P. and our Chief Leaders so called be rendred to have some of the Policy of the Jesuits and other Popish Orders that to Lie and Dissemble as thou thinks Is no Sin providing the Peace of the Church can be preserved thereby Is this the way of a fair Adversary Or doth this become Men that would be esteemed Just and Fair or is it like Learned Ministers of the Gospel Or have they any Precept President or Example for this in the Holy Scriptures Do not they rather Imitate those they would Insinuate the Quakers to be like Do not they herein more resemble them And is it any Reputation to your Church or any Principal Member of it to Hug Promote and Recommend the Works of such Men that neither own you nor you them for I conclude your Church doth not own the Author to The Snake in the Grass nor G. K. to be approved Ministers of your Church if you do why is the first Suspended and the latter not Instituted and Ordained by you Is it not because they do not own you nor you them Be plain and answer me herein and tell me whether you allow that Men now have that