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A65877 The pernicious way of the rigid presbyter and antichristian ministers detected and several weighty matters (in controversie, betwixt Sion and her adversaires, or between the true church and the false) discussed : to inform both magistrates, ministers, and people, Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723. 1662 (1662) Wing W1945; ESTC R22439 27,993 34

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Law that had its rise from the Pope for Tythes and wee 'l tell our hearers that the Magistrate gives us them and wee 'l threaten to trouble and Sue them if they will not pay us and thereby seek to terrifie and affright People that they may be forced to pay us and so we will drive on our Trade by all the Policy and force we can and seek by all means to have the Quakers suppressed either by Persecution Imprisonings or taking away their Goods for Tythes in many places to the value of five or ten times more then the Tythes come to and now if these things will not do to overcome these Quakers as we see notwithstanding all their sufferings they grow and encrease upon us then will we make more complaints against them and tell the Magistrates they are a dangerous People they will overthrow both Ministers and Magistrates and will not spare the Supream Magistrate himself if they be suffered to go on therefore now let them be Banished for we cannot live in quiet nor quietly drive on our Trade for them but they will need be Checking and Reproving us for our taking Tythes and Preaching for gain and our seeking to compell men to our way and Worship and to Impose Religion upon men contrary to their Faith and Conscience All these things with many other deceits are these Treacherous Clergy-men and Persecuting Priests guilty of in themselves as by their Fruits and Doctrines is apparent So that the Lord hath made them contemptible and base before all People Mal. 2.9 And whereas in pag. 11. C. W. Accuseth us of Insolencies and Lybels which he saith so far as they reflect upon the Publick and do tend to the disturbance and subversion of the Nation and Common-wealth so far the Magistrate is bound not to suffer such Insolencies to go unpunished c. For when the Child shall behave himself proudly against the Antient and the Base against the Honourable Isa. 3.5 Then the Magistrate must remember that he ought to punish evil doers and if he do not punish such disorders but is sparing in this kinde because of a Temporizing Spirit and out of base fear or because of any selfish Carnal Policy God will assuredly punish him for his Sin of Negligence Answ. 1. As for Lybels or Insolencies tending to the subversion of the Nation which this Priest would have the Magistrate to punish us for hereof he hath accused us falsly and shewed a spirit of Envy and Persecution against us for which I know no ground he hath against us either to accuse us in this manner or to seek to Instigate the Magistrate against us but onely because the Lord our God hath raised us up in Righteousness to bear witness against the deceits and unrighteous Practices Persecution and Oppression that such Teachers as are of his Affinity are guilty of and their making a Trade and a Gain of their Preaching which we have in the Spirit of Truth born witness against both in our words Writings and Books which scornfully and falsly this Priest calls Lybels though wha we speak and write be agreeable to the Scriptures of Truth and neither this said Priest nor any of his Brethren the Priests have ever yet cleared themselves of those things which we have laid to their charge in our Books 2. What we speak and write in Truth and Righteousness against the Priests oppression covetousness and Preaching for forced Maintenance doth not at all tend to subvert the Nation as he would possess the Magistrate but to establish the Nation in Peace and free it from much bondage oppression persecution and suffering which the covetous hireling Priests have brought upon it which if it were free from those things and people left free to the Lord to lead and order them by his Spirit in matters pertaining to Religion and Conscience and only the Magistrates to punish evil doers and to be a praise to them that do well and not to lend their ears to the Priests to be their drudges and executioners in persecuting and imprisoning conscientious men because they cannot maintain them in their oppression I say then the Nation would be more at peace and all that are conscientious and moderate in it more satisfied And the Priests might be tryed if they would Preach freely and live of the Gospel as the true Ministers did for if God hath ordained that they that Preach the Gospel shall live of it he is able to fulfil his own Ordinance without their forcing Maintenance by a Law from people or suing them at Law for Tythes in which thing the Priests have manifested themselves to be both out of the Ordinance of God and example of all his Ministers 3. By their so much seeking to incense the Magistrate to punish and persecute us for bearing witness against their covetous practices and false principles it appears they are afraid their Trade should fail them and go down as it hath already failed many of them whilst they are putting one another out of their Livings and places where they have upheld their unrighteous Trade for their Bellies as those that bite and devour one another 4. And as to that of Isa. 3.5 of the Child's behaving himself proudly against the Antient this was in Israel when they oppressed one another which pride and oppression we are not guilty of but the proud and covetous Clergy But whereas this C.W. accuseth us as behaving our selves proudly against the honourable one seeming reason for it a little before is pag. 10. he saith That we do continually all along use those disdainful tearms of Thee and Thou and the like scornful expressions and saith That this is directly contrary to the Rule of the Gospel c. and it is also contrary to the example of the Apostle Paul when he was reproached by Festus c. the Apostle doth not say Thee and Thou but most noble Festus c. Act. 26.24 Answer This accusation reflects upon all the Holy men of God spoken of in Scripture who used the words Thee and Thou to a single person and You and Ye onely as pertaining to a number or to more than one as if they all used disdainful and scornful expressions and as if they therein directly transgressed the Rule of the Gospel this is but a bad and unequal judgement and apparently false for Paul himself used Thou to Festus and several times both Thee and Thou in signification to King Agrippa who was in greater Authority than Festus Act. 25.10 Chap. 26.2 3 27 29. and multitudes of examples more might be instanced for this As also this man can use Thee and Thou to God in his Prayers and he and his Brethren have learned that plain language in their Grammer which distinguisheth between the singular and plural number though now he hath accused us with using disdainful tearms for using that plainness of speech which he hath formerly learned in which thing the very Hea●hen may judge the pride of
THE Pernicious Way Of the Rigid PRESBYTER AND ANTICHRISTIAN MINISTERS DETECTED And several weighty Matters in Controversie betwixt Sion and her Adversaries or between the true Church and the false discussed To inform both Magistrates Ministers and People against the Spirit of Antichrist and Persecution Partly upon occasion of a Book entituled The QUAKERS LIBEL Answered by Creswel Whately who calls himself Minister of the GOSPEL To which is annexed Something concerning the true Christ and his being in his People In answer to Matthew Caffin his great Error and Mistake of the Quakers in his Book entituled Faith in God's Promises the Saints best Weapon LONDON Printed for Robert Wilson 1662. The Pernicious Way of the rigid PRESBYTER and Antichristian Ministers detected I. Touching Ministers Maintenance by Tithes and whether they be now of Divine right or no SInce that we have seen several of the National Ministers have let fall their Plea for Tithes upon a divine account and only have fled to the National Law and pleaded a civil Right to them they not being able by the Scriptures to maintain their Plea for them to be now of Divine Right due to the Ministry I find one Creswel Whately who calls himself a Minister of the Gospel who to shew his Ignorance and Confusion more than many others hath taken it upon him in his Book to vindicate Tithes upon a Scripture account as to be of Divine Right due to them And therefore let us a little in the first place see what he saith for them The said Creswel Whately saith Did not God appoint heretofore that there should be Tithes payed of all they had and in the Gospel he hath no where repealed that Command and that the Apostle upheld the Right of Tithes though he did forbear to take them in pag. 2. 17. of his Book To which I answer This would both make the Apostle a Transgressor if there were such a Command in force which he did not obey as this implies as also it would make him false in what he said in his Epistle to the Hebrews touching the change of the Priesthood that took the Tithes and the change of the Law and disannulling of the Commandement which the Sons of Levi had for Tithes which Priesthood Law and Commandement the Apostle plainly sheweth the change and end of as is apparent in that of Heb. 7. And as for God's ordaining That as they that Ministred at the Altar were partakers with the Altar even so hath ordained That they that Preach the Gospel shall live of the Gospel to which C. W. adds Is it not plain that as the Levites did partake with the Altar by taking Tithes even so must they that Preach the Gospel live of the Gospel namely by taking Tyths also To which I answer This is an absurd Argument and that which the true Ministers would be ashamed of for the Priests under the Law partaking with the Altar and the Ministers of Christ their living of the Gospel are two distinct things relating to several states and dispensations and living of the Gospel is not living of Tithes though as it was an Ordinance of God under the Law the Priests should partake with the Altar of Tithes and Offerings so it is an Ordinance of God under the Gospel that Christian Ministers should live of the Gospel which is a further state than the other and as the Gospel is free so living of it and being maintained according to it is not a living by Tyth●s and forced Maintenance neither do●h it follow that because God hath ordained the Livelyhood of both the Priests under the Law and Ministers of the Gospel that therefore the Ministers of the Gospel must be maintained as the Priests under the Law were as this pretended Minister of the Gospel hath implied For if it were so the Ministers of the Gospel must live by Tithes and Offerings as the Priests under the Law did Num. 18.9 10 24 26. which no true Minister will own And now to prove the Ministers taking Tithe-Corn Hay Calves Foals Wool Lambs Geese Hens Pigs c. C. W. instanceth Luk. 11.42 Of the Pharisees to whom woe belonged Tything of Mint Annis and Cummin c. To which I say this doth not at all make for their taking Tithe now as this man vainly imagines for it was in the time of the Law before either it or the Priesthood shadows under it were fulfilled or ended by Christ seeing it was before he was Crucified that he spoke these words Luk. 11.42 Mat. 23.23 So that in arguing for Tithes from that of Luk. 11.42 the Priests come very poorly and feebly off as C. W. hath done in his saying That all Tythes ought now to be payed as well as heretofore if we will follow the Rule of Jesus Christ under the Gospel c. This then would make the Apostle Paul and the rest of Christs Ministers Transgressors against Christ for they did not take Tythes nor forced Maintenance and this Priest VVhately hath confessed That Paul did forbear to take Tythes pag. 17. and so his words do tend to make Paul a Trangressor and a Hypocrite if he owned one thing in words and another thing in practice and certainly had the Apostle been of this Priests opinion that it was a Rule of Christ to take Tithes he would not have transgressed the Rule for there were several of the Churches to whom he Ministred that had been able to have payed him them had they been due under the Gospel And to that of Heb. 7.12 C. VV. answereth thus p. 16. It is here said there must of necessity be a change of the Law it is not said there must of necessity be a change of Tithes c. See what a false Gloss he would put upon the Scripture he would maintain Tithes as due by that Command by which they were upheld in the Law and yet the Law is changed which gave them What confusion is this If the Law for Tithes be changed where is the Command of it in force to uphold them now But the Apostle saith the Commandement is disannulled and the Law is changed and Christ is not a Priest after the Law of a carnal Commandement but after the Power of an endless Life Heb. 7.16 But saith C. VV. The Law which must of necessity be changed is the Ceremonial used under the Levitical Priesthood where there were many Types and Shadows of Christ c. all which and many other things that were Types of Christ are indeed abolished under the Gospel as Offerings and many other things c. but there is no resemblance between Tythes and the Lord Christ Tythes were no Type of Christ at all but a maintenance for the Ministers of Christ under the Law and so they ought to be a Maintenance for the Ministers of Christ under the Gospel c. I answer If Offerings that were under the Law were Types and Shadows of Christ then were Tithes for it was commanded that