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A32753	Gods mercy shewed to his people in giving them a faithful ministry and schooles of learning for the continual supplyes therof delivered in a sermon preached at Cambridg, the day after the commencement / by Charles Chauncy, B.D., President of Harvard Colledg in New-England ; published with some additions therunto at the request of diverse honoured and much respected friends ...	Chauncy, Charles, 1592-1672.	1655 (1655)	Wing C3738; ESTC W19762	28,505	62

Testament John Baptist had schollers John 1.28 so the Pharises had their schollers Mat. 22.15 ●6 Paul was Gamaliels scholler Acts 22.3 There was a Synogogue of learned men disputing with Stephen Act. 6.9 So there was a schoole at Corinth A s 19.8 Timothy was Pauls scholler 2 Tim. 3.14 But the example of our Saviour Christ is above all that kept a school first of his twelve d●sciples then of the seaventy disciples Luke 10. that ●e also sent forth to preach the Gospel Yea there is a most cleer and express Commandement that Paul gives to Timothy 2 Tim 2.2 he saith the things that thou hast heard of me before many witnesses he same commit to faithfull men who shall be able to teach others also Where we see that Timothy had many school fellows that are called witnesses and also that Timothy is cōmanded to teach others so it concerns such as God enables to teach them that may be teachers of others to instruct them in the things of God But now it will be very needfull upon this occasion for u● to consider what weight there is in the objections that diverse in these days have printed against them Object 1● Mr. Dell in his answer to Mr. S. Simpson allowes schooles of the prophets wherin Christian religion is taught but against schooles of humane learning this is that that makes them Antichrists seeing they are contrary to and do oppose Christ this makes the universityes stews of Antichrist houses of lyes and to stinke before God with most loathsome abomination c with a multitude of other reproachfull terms which Luther others have loaded Popish Universityes withall Answ 1. I do much desire that the opposers of schools universityes would speak ●lainly what they mean by humane learning then wee should easily come to some conclusion Therfore let this distinction be premised that humane learning may either be taken for all that learning that the heathen Authours or philosophers have delivered in their writings or else all other Arts besides Theology as they call physicks ethicks politicks c take in also the grounds of languages Latine Greek Hebrew Now in the former sense if Mr. D. do mean by humane learning all that learning that the heathen men have uttered out of the light of nature It will be a great oversight to pass such a sentence upon it 1. Because we find in Scriptures some testimonies out of humane writers as Tit 1.12 Acts 17.28 1 Cor 15.33 c which the Spirit of God would not have alledged if their writings had been utterly unlawfull to read 2. There are certain principles of trueth written even in corrupt nature which heathen authors have delivered unto us that doe not cross the holy writ 1 Cor 11.14 doth not nature it self teach you c and it cannot be denyed that all trueth whosoever it be that speakes it comes from the God of truth as he is called severall times And who can deny but that there are found many excellent divine morall truths in Plato Aristotle Plutarch Seneca c and to condemn all pel-mel will be an hard censure especially to call universities Antichrists for reading of them Besides they have treated of the works of God most excellently in many places and the works of God ought to be declared by parents to their children Psal 78 2-6 Besides they have delivered many excellent sayings of God and have attested many Scripture historyes as might be shewed by severall instances out of Justine Tacitus c and Mr. D. is not ignorant of them shall all these be thrown away as antichristian or as lyes Object But they have much profaness and filthiness in them and besides they are made idolls of in our universities when as ipse dixit and their authority goeth for currant as Scripture it self amongst them Answ But 1. All heathenish writers have not such profaness in them 2. Those that have let them be condemned abhored let not youth be poysoned by them 3. Let God be true every man a lyer and let not man especially any heathen be deified or his authority be accounted on or go cheek by jowle with the speaking in the Scriptures this is indeed to be abhored whersoever it is received but abusus non tollit usum II. But now if humane learning be taken in the second sense for all those Arts that are commonly taught in Universities as Physicks Eth●cks Politicks Oeconomicks Rhetorick Astronomy c or also for learned tongues of Latine Greek and Hebrew c 1. I will be bold to affirm that these in the true sense and right meaning therof are Theologicall Scripture learning and are not to be accounted of as humane learning For who can deny that the first second chapters of Genesis and many chapters in Job and the Psalms and diverse other places of holy Scripture do afford excellent and sure grounds for natural Philosophy and a just systeme thereof which Mr. Zanchy Daneus and diverse other eminent Divines have opened declared unto us And where are there to be found such Ethicall Politicall or Morall precepts as are to be found in holy Scriptures or such principles for the ordering of our lifes families or common weals let any man declare it unto us And where are there such high straines of all sorts of Rhetoricall Tropes figures to be found in any Author as there are in the writings of the Prophets Apostles and who can imagine but that the best surest Chronology in the world is to bee found in holy Scriptures upon which all the computation of ti●es in all ages in the world depends 2. Let all judicious men consider what Mr. Dell graunts though he speakes so much against humane learning I will relate his own words because his books are in few bands they that have them build much upon his judgment He speaks thus in his treatise of the reformation of learning 1. I conceive it meet that the Civill power or chief Magistrate should take great care of the education of youth as one of the greatest works that concerns them and one of the worthyest things they can do in the world insomuch that what the youth now is the whole Common wealth will shortly be 2. To this end it is meet that Schools if wanting be Erected through the whole nation and not only in Citties great Towns but also as much as may be in lesser villages and the Authority of the Nation take great care tha● godly men especially have the charge of greater schools And that the Magistrate ●fford to this work suitable incouragement 3. That in Cittyes greater Towns where are the greater schools and greater opportunities to send children to them they teach them also the Latine G●eek tongues Hebrew also which ought to be had in g●eat account w●th us for the old Testament sake 4. It may be ●●●ment also that there be some Vn●● s●●s Colle ●es for

then they have been opened to them by the learned Iohn 15 1. I am the true Vine c. John 1.29 Behold the Lamb of God 1 Cor 10.4 The Rock was Christ John 6.41 I am the bread that came down from heaven John 10.7 I am the dore of the sheep c add these places John 3.13 No man ascends in to heaven but he that came down from heaven c 1 Iohn 3.16 Hereby perceive we the love of God because he laid down his life for us Iohn 21 last There be many things that Iesus did the which if they should be written every one I suppose that even the world it selfe could not containe the books that should be written and that Mat. 12.20 as Ionas was three dayes three nights in the belly of the whale so shall the son of man be three dayes three nights in the heart of of the earth I should be endless if I should enumerate what might be gathered in this case But I shall here have done with Mr. Dells arguments There is somewhat more in Horn Crandon which I shall be brief in because as they state the question I should not contend with them Mr. Horn thus That the study of Philosophy though lawfull to be known and in some points usefull yet is not necessary to the preachers or preaching of the Gospel nor the key of knowledg without which men cannot understand or profitably hold forth the Trueths of Christ to others It is not denyed but what is necessary to salvation may be both understood preached without the help of Philosophy it is enough if it bee lawfull usefull ad bene ormelius esse which is graunted by him Now Mr. Cr. in his preface against Baxter states the question thus That humane learning is of no force to decide judg and conclude any thing in questions meerly evangelicall such as justification and all other Gospel-graces and priviledges I suppose that Mr. Cr. shall neither have Mr. Baxter nor any protestant writer his adversary in that assertion He that shall say otherwise shall make a Pope of humane learning and an Idoll or set up man above God But for all this these Reverēd men bring arguments that goe as farr in overthrowing all humane learning as Mr. Dell hath done Let mee breifly see the strength of them Horn. If Ph●losophy Physicks c had ocen needfull for furnishing of men to the Gospel then Christ our Saviour who came to teach us the mind of God and to set on foot the preaching of the Go●pel would have delivered those sciences unto us at least a more perfect form of them then the Philosophers did or could But he did not so c therefore they are not needfull c Answ 1. Take the force of this reason a pari thus if the knowledg of the Greek Latine languages had been needfull for furnishing men to the Gospel in all ages then Christ would have taught those languages and made Grammers for the learning of them at least in a more perfect f●rm then any G●ammarians did or could c but he hath not done so therefore c would any wise man think this to be a good consequence yet the case is much alike for both the Original tongues and the arts sciences are like preparatives fiting persons to the preaching of the Gospel for that is meant by furnishing men to the Gospel But God is pleased to give to the sons of men to be exercised with labour study in this and other kinds Ecc● 1.13 2. Christ hath delivered to us those sciences as farr as is needfull in a more perfect form then any Philosophe of old hath done there was never such a method of Physicks or naturall Philosophy as is set down in the order of the works of Creation nor ever such a form of Ethicks Politicks or Oeconomicks as he hath delivered in the Decalogue and his own interpretation therof c Horn. The Arts Sciences are of a diverse nature from the Gospel that being a revelation of Redemption and way to Salvation for fallen man Philosophy but a purblind speculation about the nature of the creatures and of God as he stands in relation of a Creatour governour of them c Answ 1. Not only Arts Sciences but the Law both Ceremonial and Moral Judicial are of diverse nature from the Gospel as it is the revelation of Redemption c Is all therefore superfluous c 2. Whatsoever is contained in holy Scripture tends some way or other to the way of salvation for faln man and to make the man of God perfect 2 Tim 3.16 17. So doth the knowledg of Gods works which are sought out of all ●hem that have pleasure therin Psal 111.2 yea they all make for the glory of God Psal 145.10 and the knowledg of Gods works is laid down in holy writt not in a purblind speculation about the creatures but in a way infallible 3. Though the Gospel in a strict sense signifies the glad tidings of Redemption by Jesus Christ yet it hath a larger signification sometimes as Rom. 2.16 wherin the Apostle tells us of the day of judgment in which God shall judg the secrets of men according to the Gospel there the rule of the last judgment shall be not only the Gospel in a strict sense but as the Law may be also comprehended under it and whatsoever is contained in the scriptures of the works of God and as farr as it concerns a minister to preach all profitable and Scripture trueths the knowledg of Arts Sciences is usefull and expedient to him to hold them forth to his hearers Horn. The Law or doctrine of the Lord is perfect for conversion edification Psal 19.7 Answ But this perfect doctrine comprehends the doctrine of Gods works which is called Philosophy Besides that perfection doth not exclude but presuppose that same to gnoston tou theou Rom 1.19 some common notions concerning God his works are left in every man still that must not be extinguished Horn. If the said heathenish sciences are necessary to salvation then we are not compleat in Christ but the contrary is affirmed Col. 2.2 3 10. Answ Heathenish sciences are not necessary to salvation nor simply to make an able minister christian may be compleat in Christ a minister an able minister without them as the Apostles and many others have been We graunt that all the treasures of soul-saving knowledg are in Christ yet this doth not exclude the expedience of the knowledge of the Law ceremoniall or morall which are metinoned in the same place Col. 2.14 though we may be compleat in Christ without seeking our salvation by them Horn. If we are to beware of Philosophy least we be spoyled by it then it is not necessary to teach preserve us but the former is true Col 2.8 and by Philosophy the Apostle means not only Sophistry but that which the wisest Philosophers accounted Philosophy