made known to us Let us now lay these two assertions together If your Doctrine hold good All Doctrines of Faith must be explicitely delivered from Father to Son No saith Mr. M. The Church hath power to make known Doctrines implicitely and virtually contained in Scripture I pray could the Father communicate to his Son what was only implicitely and virtually contained in Scripture If Mr. M. say true here is a very possible cause of Innovation assigned without Forgetfulness or Malice viz. when the Fathers of the Church take upon them to draw forth implicit Doctrines and to make them explicit Articles of Faith. And thus undoubtedly many Innovations have come into the Church when some persons have taken up a particular Opinion and because nothing would prevail without Scripture they have attempted to bring it out of Scripture but that being not plain or clear for it they gave out it was virtually and implicitely contained in it and thus it passed from one to another till it getting footing in the Church and prevailing over a great part of it then lest the Church should be charged with Errour and Innovation the prevailing Party takes upon it to declare this to be the sense and meaning of Scripture and to require all persons of their Communion to believe it And thus Mr. M. hath answered your Demonstration But still although the Church of Rome hath assumed such a Power yet it still disowned it and even in the Council of Trent pretended to interpret Scripture according to the unanimous sense of the Fathers which is directly contrary to the Power of making known such a sense and Meaning of Scripture in Doctrines of Faith as may oblige men to believe that explicitely now which they were not obliged to by any precedent Sense or Explication I come now to the Fifth and Last Question Qu. 5. Being the words Christian Church may be taken in several latitudes by persons of different Religions I desire to know what that Christian Church is whose Testimony concerning the Books of Scripture and the Doctrine contained therein is a sufficient ground to make us certain of all matters that are necessary to our Salvation Ans. 5. By the Universal Testimony of the Christian Church concerning the Books of Scripture which are our Rule of Faith as to matters of Salvation I mean the Universal Consent of all Christian Churches from the Apostles times downwards This Mr. M. calls Trifling p. 13. and in this you agree though you differ in the Resolution of Faith. But I pray wherein does this Trifling lie Was it because I would not answer as you would have had me But I do not yet see how I could have answered more to the purpose The Question in short was What the Christian Church was whose Universal Testimony I relied upon as to the Canon of Scripture My Answer was That the Christian Church is that which is made up of all Christian Churches and their Universal Consent is that Testimony we rely upon Is this Trifling But saith Mr. M. p. 14. Mr. G. 's intention was to know what Churches I accounted Christian Churches I told you over and over since we were enquiring into the general Grounds of Faith if we had the Universal Testimony of all Christian Churches I had no reason to go any farther For if all Churches of the Christian World be agreed as they are about the Canon of the New Testament this was sufficient for the certainty of our Faith without looking after any Infallibility in the Church of Rome And this you know was the main Point in Dispute between us as appears by the occasion of it as it is set down by Mr. M. You affirmed that no Protestant could shew any ground of absolute certainty for their Faith I undertook to shew we had for our Faith is resolved into the Scripture as the Word of God and whatever is built on the Word of God is absolutely certain And that these Books of the New Testament contain our Rule of Faith as being the Word of God we have the Universal Testimony of all Christian Churches And this makes our Faith as to these Books absolutely certain And where now is the Trifling Doth the Universal Testimony of all Christian Churches afford sufficient Ground of Certainty as to the Books of Scripture or not If not why do you not shew wherein it fails If it doth what mean you to call this Trifling When it is apparent I have gained the Point I aimed at viz. That we Protestants have certain Grounds for our Faith without any need of the Roman Churches Infallibility Which was the thing to be shewed But Mr. M. tells me p. 14. That you asked me whether I included the Arians Nestorians Eutychians and Calvinists and urged that this Question might be written down to which I did not consent Because Mr. T. declared he was fully satisfied and desired to propose a New Question to Mr. G. I grant you did ask me the Question several times whether I included the Arians Nestorians c. I told you I rejected the Doctrines of all such as were condemned by the four General Councils as the Arians Nestorians and Eutychians were but it was not pertinent to our purpose to consider how far any under those Denominations might be Parts of the Catholick Church For since we had the Consent of all Christian Churches in this Matter I had no Reason to lessen the Evidence they gave by a Concurrent Testimony For the Argument was so much stronger since all Churches under all Denominations did agree in it But Mr. M. still complains that I would not permit your sixth Question viz. What Churches I look'd on as Members of the Christian Church It is strange he should forget for what Reason I rejected it viz. because it was not pertinent to our business For if the Testimony of all Christian Churches be more considerable than only of some why should I lessen the strength of the Argument taken from the Universal Consent of all Christian Churches The other Question must have led us into other Disputes foreign to our business and my design was to keep close to the Matter of Certainty about which the Conference began And now I hope I have given an Answer to the Letter desiring Information of the Conference which I did forbear in my first Letter to set down at large foreseeing that either your self or your friend would offer me farther occasion to give a suffer account of it But because the Substance of the whole Conference depended on those two Points 1. Whether the Universal Consent of all Christian Churches be not a sufficient Ground for our Certainty as to our Rule of Faith viz. the Scripture 2. Whether Tradition from Father to Son be an infallible Conveyance of Matters of Faith To shew wherein the main force of the whole Conference lay in few words I desired you to make good these two Things 1. That we have no absolute Certainty as to the Rule
of our Faith viz. the Scripture although we have a larger and firmer Tradition for it viz. the Consent of all Christian Churches than you can have for the Points in Difference between us 2. That the Tradition from Father to Son is an infallible Conveyance in Matters of Faith notwithstanding the Greek Church is charged by you with Errour which adhered to Tradition Now upon this the Authour of the first Letter desires to be commended to me us a Man who loves to spare his own Pains For 't is as much as to say do you doe all the Work and I will sit by and tell you whether it be well done or no must Mr. G. prove that Protestants have no absolute Certainty I think you are bound to do it upon Mr. M's own Account of the Occasion of the Conference viz. that you affirmed that no Protestants could shew any Ground of Certainty for their Faith. And upon this the Conference was desired and since therein I undertake to shew what our Ground of Certainty was you ought to make it evident wherein it fails and you have not so much as offer'd at any thing to disprove it but would fairly have run into another dispute and because I would not yield to it you and Mr. M. call me a Trifler You see I have not been so sparing of my Pains now but I would commend that Gentleman to you who get other Men to do your Work for you But he goes on I thought it had concerned them to be satisfied that they have Yes so we are and are very well satisfied that we stand upon surer Grounds than those who go upon the baffled pretence of the Infallibility of Oral Tradition for which no one Church of the Christian World hath declared For the Infallibility of Tradition in the Church of Rome is another thing depending upon a Divine Promise and not a kind of meer natural Infallibility But he saith he takes no notice that the Question is veered from certainty of Protestant Doctrine to certainty of Scripture How strangely mistaken is this Gentleman in the whole Matter For the Question was wholly about the certainty of Faith in general as fully appears by what is said already When the Grounds of Faith are made clear we shall come easier to particular Points of Difference between us If we may have sufficient certainty without your pretence of Infallibility then we may have a true and sound Faith without coming into your Church and where there is such a Faith there is a Possibility of Salvation and consequently there can be no Necessity of Forsaking the Communion of a Church where we have such certain Grounds of Faith. Mr. M. in Answer to the first Particular speaks more home and close to the purpose and therefore what he saith deserves to be more strictly examined 1. It is not denied saith he p. 28. that there is in Faith an absolute certainty for that Scripture wherein we agree Thus far Mr. M. grants what you deny that we Protestants have absolute certainty for our Faith. But he will not allow us to be able to shew any such certainty on our Principles Now this is truly a hard case we are in there is an absolute Certainty and this certainty lies in Universal Tradition and we can shew this Universal Tradition and yet we cannot shew the true Ground of our certainty If this be our case we deserve to be either pitied or begg'd But surely Mr. M. hath some colour for such a strange Assertion This is all he pretends for it that in the time of the Reformation the Protestants charged all Christian Churches with Errours not only in other Articles of their Belief but even in the Tradition or Delivery of Scripture Therefore we can have no certainty now from the Universal Tradition of Christian Churches Suppose some Men were then to blame in charging some Churches with more Errours than they were guilty of must therefore no Argument be taken from their consent when things are more cleared and better understood This is just as if it had been said of the blind Man whom our Saviour cured You saw Men walking like Trees at first and therefore you have no right to judge them to be otherwise now Or like one newly escaped out of a dark Prison who fears and suspects every one he meets and takes all for Enemies till he be better acquainted with them must this man therefore never have any certain knowledge afterwards of Friends and Enemies But why doth not Mr. M. name the Churches which the Reformers charged with Errours in delivering the Canon of Scripture I am sure they plead the consent of the Eastern Churches against the Tridentine Canon as to the Old Testament and all Christian Churches are known to agree as to the New and why such an universal consent should not afford a ground of certainty to us is beyond my understanding 2. He saith Our Rule is Scripture not as interpreted or to be interpreted by the Church but as understood or to be understood without a necessity of submitting to the Interpretation of the Church by every sober Enquirer tho' of the meanest capacity for which Rule we are far from having the consent of all Christian Churches The main Question is Whether Scripture be a Rule of Faith to us or not And certainly all that believe it to be the Word of God must take it for a Rule of Faith. For since the reason of our believing is because God hath revealed whatever God hath revealed must be believed and a Book containing in it such Revelations must be the Rule of our Faith i. e. by it we are to judge what we are bound to believe as Divine Revelations The best of your Divines do all agree that our Faith is not to be resolved into any other Revelation than that which was made by Christ and his Apostles and that this Revelation is contained in the Books of the New Testament This being agreed on both sides every Christian how mean soever his capacity be must look on the Scripture as his Rule of Faith for he that is bound to believe at all must have some Rule or else he may believe any thing he finds all persons agreed that the Scripture is the Word of God and God's Word is an infallible Rule therefore he is bound to search the Scripture tor the matters of Faith. And is it possible to imagine that God himself should direct the making of this Rule for the benefit of all who are bound to believe and not to make it useful to its End viz. to be able to direct them in the necessary Points of Salvation The Founders of Monastie Orders made Rules for all those who were to live in them and obliged them to observe them under pain of Expulsion I desire to know whether this doth not suppose that those Rules are capable of being understood by all persons admitted into those Orders so far as they are concerned and
in Answer to the next Question Q. 2. By what certain Rule do you hold it A. 2. By the Divine Revelations contained in the Writings of the New Testament Here was no Subtilty or Learning requisite but to give a plain Answer as to the Rule of our Faith. Which we do assert to be the Written Word and no Oral Tradition Q. 3. Then follow'd By what certain Rule do you know that the New Testament which we now have does contain all the Divine Revelations of Christ and his Apostles A. 3. By the Vniversal Testimony of the Christian Church from the Apostles time downwards In which Answer I laid down the Grounds of our different Resolution of Faith from that which you contend for and which I at large explained in the Conference it self viz. that our Certainty of Faith is chiefly resolved into the Testimony of the Apostolical Churches which first received the Books of the New Testament from the Divine Writers of them and from these Churches where the Authentick Writings themselves were preserved Copies were dispersed over other Churches which by comparing together the Testimonies of the several Churches did by degrees fix upon the Certain Canon of the New Testament Here a Question was started Whether all the Books of the New Testament were alike received I answer'd not at first but after due Examination those which were at first Controverted came to be universally received And I particularly instanced in the Church of Rome which a long time did not receive the Epistle to the Hebrews when it was received by other Churches but at last did yield to the Testimony of other Churches therein From whence I observed that the Church of Rome was far from being believed then to have the Authority of making the Canon of Scripture or being Infallible in Faith it being then taxed for disbelieving a Part of Scripture and being at last over-ruled by the Testimony of the other Apostolical Churches I remember I asked you how it came about that the Church of Rome in St Ierom's time did err about the Epistle to the Hebrews if there were any Infallibility in it And your Answer was that Rome was at a great distance from Judea Which I thought a strange Answer considering the Communication the Churches then had at greater distance and the frequent Recourse of Iews to Rome but especially if that Church had any Promise of Infallibility made to it Which to be just to you I do not remember that you once asserted in all that two hours Discourse And truly you were not inconsistent with your Principles therein For Infallibility by Promise and by Oral Tradition are as different as Grace and Nature or the Assent of Faith from a Dictate of Reason In Faith a Divine Testimony is supposed in the Infallibility of Oral Tradition nothing but a Natural Principle that men must hold the same Doctrine to day that they did yesterday and so up to the time of our Blessed Saviour Where the different method of our resolving Faith appears you begin at the present time and so run upwards but the force of all lies in the connexion of one link with another inseparably which I say will by no means hold but ours begins with the Apostolical Churches which first received the sacred Books and delivered them down their Testimony is the Authentick instrument of conveying down the Canon of Scripture and the following Tradition of the Church is onely a conveying down that first Testimony upon which we believe the Canon of the New Testament There were many interlocutory passages about this Subject but this is the substance of what I distinctly remember Q. 4. Was that Vniversal Testimony an Infallible Rule to assure us certainly down to our time that the New Testament contained all the Divine Revelations of Christ and his Apostles A. 4. The Vniversal Testimony of the Christian Church concerning the Book of Scripture and the Doctrine contained therein is a sufficient Ground to make us certain of all matters necessary to our Salvation To make this Answer clear we are to consider that the Scripture being our sole and entire Rule of Faith all matters necessary to Salvation must be supposed to be contained therein and therefore the same Testimony which delivers the Scripture to us doth deliver all the necessary Articles of Faith as contained therein Which are there received as in the Lump and if we receive the Book which contains all we must by the same Authority receive all contained in it As if a Purse be left to a Man by his Father's Will full of Gold and Silver and this by the Executours be declared to contain all the Gold and Silver his Father left him they who deliver this Purse to him from the Executours do certainly deliver to him all the Gold and Silver left him by his Father But if he suspects there was both Gold and Silver left him by his Father which was not in that Purse then he must call in question the Integrity of the Executours who declared that all was contained therein This is now the Case of the Christian Church as to all Divine Truths which respect Mens Salvation the Primitive Church who answer to the Executours in the other Case did unanimously declare that all such Truths were undoubtedly contained in the Written Word Although therefore there may be a real difference in the nature of the Doctrines therein contained as there is between Gold and Silver yet he that receives all must receive the one as well as the other and the matters of Salvation being of greatest moment they that receive the whole Will of God upon grounds of certainty must be assured that therein they receive all matters necessary to our Salvation Against my Answer to this Question Mr. M. suggests several things p. 12. 1. As to difference of Translations Doth Mr. M. think our Faith is to be resolved into the Original Texts What becomes then of the Vulgar Latin For although the Council of Trent declares it to be Authentick yet I take it to be but a Translation But there is a difference of Translations and there is no unanimous consent of the Christian Church for any one And how is it possible there should be since the Christian Church consists of so many bodies of Men of different Countries and Languages But we have the unanimous Consent of all the ancient Christian Churches for the Translation of the Scripture into their own Languages which shews that they thought the People ought to be acquainted with it as the Word of God so translated and that they were to resolve their Faith into it as they were capable of understanding it And it is very hard to conceive how Faith can be resolved into an unknown Tongue but we have the unanimous consent of the Christian Church that Faith must rest upon the Word of God which is contained in the Books of Scripture And therefore we have the Consent of the Christian Church against resolving