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A89827 An answer to the booke called The perfect Pharisee under monkish holinesse: wherein is layd open, who they are that oppose the fundamentall principles of the doctrine of the Gospel, and the scripture practises, which the authors of that book would cast upon those they call Quakers, but are found to be themselves; who appear to be no ministers of the Gospel, but walke contrary to all that ever Christ sent forth in the scripture, scorning them who live the life of the scriptures, or are brought into the obedience of the same spirit. Published for no other end but to cleare the truth from the slanders of these men, who thereby goe about to deceive the simple, and keep them off from obedience to the truth. By one whom the world calls, James Nayler. Naylor, James, 1617?-1660. 1654 (1654) Wing N261; Thomason E735_2; ESTC R206955 29,772 36

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and for being Heingathen that is your owne vvho exercise authority over your owne hearers and pleade for your Heathenish customes vvhereby it appears ye know not God And vvhereas ye charge us with crying up our own holinesse and our selves as extraordinary Prophets Rabbies and Doctors I answer It is false for it is Christs holinesse vve owne and Christ the everlasting Prophet and Priest vve owne vvhereby vve deny ye vvho goe under the namy of Rabbies and Doctors And vvhereas ye charge us with neglect of Apparell Fasting and seperating from the world I answer What Apparell doe vve neglect saving the pride and vanity vvhich you live in and vve are made to vvitnesse against for vvhich you hate us And for Fasting and seperating from the World for shame doe not professe your selves to be Christians vvhile you cast the commands of Christ and practice of the Saints upon us in scorne and derision Did not Christ command to forsake the World and vvas not the Apostle in Fasting often but you shew your selves not to be guided by that spirit but envie them vvho are And ye that scorne Visions and Revelations are ignorant of that by vvhich the Saints came to know God for no man knowes God but by Revelation Whereas you charge us with laying the weight of our justification upon outward observances I answer It is false for the vveight of our justification is layd upon Christ in us the hope of glory Whereas ye say Ye have not been injurious to ●● in calling us Papists Monkes and Fryars I answer The injury vvill be to your selves for vve rest in patience vvhile vve see the Scripture fulfilled vvhich saith They shall cast out your names as evill and shall speake all manner of evill of ye falsely for my names sake which we beare with patience as owning it to be our portion from that Generation And now let every honest heart who reades these two Books and knoweth our practice and seeth the multitude of lyes and slanders cast upon us judge whether ye have done this from an honest principle and the establishing of the Faith or with an intent to slander us and make the truth odious because we have been brought forth as witnesses against your unrighteous practises and we leave it unto the righteous Judge who is the searcher of all hearts to cleare the innocent in his ow●e time and will and to find out the guilty and discover him that simple soules may be no longer deceived through false glosses and the subtilty of crafty men of corrupt minds for their owne ends which we know is the worke of the Lord that he is about and therefore with patience we waite his time into whose hands and keeping we commit our selves and all the faithfull of the Lord who is a sure refuge to the truth To whom be all glory and holy prayses from all that know him for evermore Amen And now a word to ye five who have subscribed this Booke that yee may see by what spirit yee are carryed on to utter so many untruths and false reports taken up by heare-say without any ground at all and divers things out of Books which you cannot be ignorant how ye have on purpose wrested to slander withall that if there be any Principle of honesty in any of you yee may repent before the Lord and that it may not be layd to your charge at the great day when all hearts shall be layd open But in the meane time this I know that what ye have intended against the truth and to keep off the simple from owning of it shall by the wisedome of God so lay open your deceit and envy that it shall advance the truth in the sight of every simple heart which if the truth may but be exalted and my Father thereby honoured it is nothing to me how vile I seeme before men and therefore in peace I rest giving my selfe to the will of God and what I have Written to be judged by all the Children of the light which is not my owne but his from whom I have received it who will defend it against all the wilde Beasts of the World and whom he will shall profit by it And so I rest a Servant of the Truth knowne to the World be the Name of James Nayler A Word to all those who live after their own wills that they may be Witnesses against themselves that they are Persecuters and may reade their Cloud of Witnesses who ever Persecuted the Righteous Seed who is our Cloud of Witnesses ALl People take warning now while you have time prize it for the mighty day of the Lord is comming Woe uoto you that are pro●d and high minded you will be as stubble before the fire howle woe and misery your down fall day is comming weep and howle ye mighty men ye lofty ones ye rebelliou● cones the sword of the Lord is drawne it is forbished and made fit for the slaughter the loftinesse of man shall be brought low cast off your hoods and your rings your filkes and your proud attire g●ird you with saekdoath prepare to meet the Lord the trumpet of the Lord is sounded his sword shall be made fat with slaughter and there shall be no peace to the wicked the Beast and the false Prophet shall be ca●● into the lake of fire great Babylon is come into remembrance before the Lord strong is the Lord that jungeth her she must have double for all her sins she must drink of the Cup of fury and indignation from the hand of the Lord for she hath made all Nations drunke with the Wine of her Fornication even all the Kings and great men of the Earth is drunke with the cup of Whoredome mystery Babylon the mother of Herlots hath deceived the Nations and she must be cast upon the bed of torment howle ye merchants of Babylon who through covetousnesse makes merchandise of soules howle ye proud Priests of Newcastle who set your nests on high and takes part with the Dragon in the warr against the Lambe and deceives the simple by your subtilties the Lord is comming to lay you open and to gather his sheep from your mouthes and you shall be taken with the Whore with whom you have committed Fornication and shall be partakers of her plagues for the wrath of the Lord is kindled against you and your destruction is at hand the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it therefore come out from among them my people and be ye seperated and I will receive you saith the Lord for now am I risen to redeem Syon with judgement and to render vengeance upon her oppressors Heare the Word of the Lord ye Inhabitants of the Land O how is the Land full of swearers and lyars drunkards and raylers scoffers and scornets O how full is the streets of prophane persons Esau like How full is the streets of proud ones who exalts themselves above all that is called god Tremble tremble ye lofty
An Answer to the Booke called The perfect Pharisee UNDER MONKISH HOLINESSE Wherein is layd open who they are that oppose the Fundamentall Principles of the Doctrine of the Gospel and the Scripture practises which the Authors of that Book would cast upon those they call Quakers but are found to be themselves who appear to be no Ministers of the Gospel but walke contrary to all that ever Christ sent forth in the Scripture scorning them who live the life of the Scriptures or are brought into the obedience of the same spirit Published for no other end but to cleare the truth from the slanders of these men who thereby goe about to deceive the simple and keep them of from obedience to the truth They prepared a net for my steps my s●ule is b●wed downe they have digged a ●i● before me into the midst whereof they are fallen themselves Selah Psal 56. 7. By one whom the World calls James Nayler To the Reader FReind There was a Booke lately set forth by five of the cheife Priests of the North residing at Newcastle who are all strangers to that sort of people called Quakers except one so thou may the rather perceive what they have Written is gathered by reports which Booke they caused to be disperced and scattered abroad with much diligence Thou wilt not in this Answer finde any contention in the words of mans wisedome with what they call their confutation but in plainnesse and simplicity what is truth is owned what is false is denyed and so much given forth to every thing as may discover to him that hath the single eye opened by what spirit these men are severally acted Reade with understanding and minde not the multitude of words least thou be deceived Truth needs no covers A. P. NOw that the Lord Jesus Christ is appearing in his Saints to d●scover the man of sinne with all his dece●ts and deceiveable workings as is foretold in the Scriptures Now all the powers of darkenesse are gathering together against him Gog and Magog whose number is as the sana of the Sea for multitude but it is that the Scripture of truth may be fulfiled according to the Prophets concerning these Heathen who know nothing of God and Christ and their raging imaginations against the Kingdome of the holy one And as it was at his appearance upon earth formerly Herod and all Jerusalem was moved neither could that spirit of envie that was in them ever be at rest till they had accomplished their end that was to take away his life And as then the chiefe Priests Herod and Pilat who never loved one another nor could agree in any other thing yet in this they were all agreed to take part against the Lambe And it is the same at this day with the same seed as plainely appears with these five with many more who formerly could scarce agree in any thing ●o not in that which they call The worship of God but have been at jarres and disputes among themselves one contending for one way another for another yet now in this they are all one and their cons●ltations against the simple o●e where he is manifest inventing lyes and seeking for false witnesse against them in whom ●●e is as will appeare in this their Booke and rendring them and what they doe in obedience to God under the name of Monkish holinesse Fryars Pharisees or any thing that in their subtilty they conceive will make them most odious to people who know not their conversation and least any who see their conve●sation should be convinced by their w●lking in ob●dience to Ch●ist they are not afr●●d to spe●k● evill of their fors●king the World the pride and l●sts of it the g●eat ●ommands of Christ and without which none ●●n come unto him and these they ●●ll sinfull neg●ect of th●ir F●●●●ies 〈◊〉 ●●ll obs●rvati●ns and belyes the Apost●e saying th●● 〈◊〉 call● tho●● the rudimen●s of the world as though the Apostle was set to disanull the commands of Christ who saith He that will be my Disciple must forsake the world and what is deare in it yea to wife and children house and land for none can serve God and Mammon and ●hat those whom they would reproach doe in obedience to Christ and his commands they call shewes and will worships or any thing ●hey can devise to make them odious but all who are guided by the spi●it of light may pl●inely see by what spirit these men are acted who ●●eud all their subtilty that they may strike at the Kingdome of Christ in his owne whereby he brings forth obedience in them to his commands and whereby they are brought to follow him who was not of this world nor did live in the delights of it nor had whereon to lay his head but were hated and ●elyed and persecuted by those Priests and people that lived in pride and fulnesse and the hollygods of this world as these who follow him are by the same generation at this day but as then he that was borne after the flesh persecuted him that was borne after the spirit even so it is now but it is that the Scriptures may be fulfilled and the power of the Almighty seen in carrying on hi● po●re despised little Flocke against all the rage of the Heathen that know him not nor his power and hereby will he get himselfe a name and herein do● we rejoyee yea and shall rejoy●e for ever FOr that you call the first Position that is That George Fox should say He was equall with God I answer That he did say that George Fox was equall with God is false for I was in the hearing before some justices of the Peace when he was asked Whether he spake true of George Fox as he was a creature To which he answered I deny George Fox he is dust and must to dust but I and my Father are one and he that is joyned to the Lord is one spirit and so the Scripture saith but they that are in the flesh cannot witnesse it At which the Ju●●ices were satisfied that he spake of the ●pirit of Christ in him and thereupon they did acquit him It is true That Marshall did sweare at Apleby and the other bu● when he came to speak of George Fox being equall with God one of the Justices ●eing there upon the Bench who was present at ●a ●●ster w●en George Fox spake the words did openly witnesse again●● Marshalls false Oath in the hearing of the open 〈◊〉 To your second untruth that Iames Nayler should say That he was as holy just and good as God I answer that holinesse justnesse and goodnesse that I witnesse is no other but the holinesse justnesse and goodnesse of God himselfe in the Face of Iesus Christ for all my owne holinesse justnesse and goodnesse I doe deny but that ever I did say that I was as holy just and good as God is an untruth and was never spoken by me nor ever did it enter into my
cannot witnesse his second appearing without sin unto salvation are ignorant of this and therefore persecute him where he is For your fifth Position That Christ in the flesh with all he did and suffered therein was but a figure and nothing but an example and this you say is expressely found in their Booke called Sauls Errand to Damascus pag. 8. 3. I answer we doe owne and confesse that Iesus Christ in the flesh is a figure or example to us to follow till we come up to his fulnesse and measure as the Saints in Scripture doe witnesse But O deceitfull spirits Ioh. 13. 15. is this to say that all that Christ did and suffered in the flesh was but a figure and nothing but an example or is the words 1 Cor. 11. 1. expressely sound in Sauls Errand as you say they are let that Booke be witnesse against you and your lying slanders herein to all that reade it And you say that this was written in a Letter which Nayler wrote to one in Lancaster viz. That he that expects to be saved by him that dyed at Ierusalem should be deceived which is a most filthy untruth and I challenge all the generation of slanderers to produce any such Letter under my hand or any such thing from my mouth for I owne no other Christ but that which suffered at Ierusalem and by him I am saved from my sins but had I not knowne him in me my Redeemer and Hope of glory I had not known him at Ierusalem nor should I have had any more benefit by him then covetous proud lyars slanderers envyers and such like who shall not enter into the Kingdome of Heaven though they talke of what he did at Ierusalem and yet live in their sinnes and filthinesse And all that have eyes may see how you invent your lyes and Ioh. 13. 15. cast them upon us and then in that you call your con●utations adde your owne imaginations to them to make us odious to all As because we say that Christ is our example therefore the Virgin Mary must be in us and Ioseph in us and Iohn Baptist ●nd the eleven Apostles Iudas Herod and Pilat in us and much such like stuffe which I shall not now mention but leave it to any where there is an honest principle of light to judge by what spirit these men are acted and how groundlesse these slanders are they cast upon us For your sixth Position that men are not justified by the righteousnesse of Christ which he in his owne Person did fulfill without us I answer what righteousnesse Christ hath performed without me was not my justification neither was I saved by it but was still in my sins and a servant to sin untill Christ appeared in me who is my life and by faith in him gave me victory over my sins and led captivitie captive in me and brought forth judgement into victory in me and appeared in me my righteousnesse sanctification justification and redemption and so in me the hope of glory till which time all my Prayers Teares and Profession could not produce an everlasting peace but still was overpowred by the powers of sin though I could talke of Faith and Redemption yet I had not the witnesse within my selfe which witnesse is Christ Jesus And you that talke of a Faith and what Christ did at Jerusalem and cannot witnesse the same Christ in you to Redeeme you but are still in your sins led ●●p●●●● by your lusts into pride and covetousnesse envy lyi●g b●ckbiting and such like filthinesse Why hath not drunkards swearers and such like as are captivated by those sins as muc● r●ght to what Christ suffered at Jerusalem as you seeing they wi●l ●ay they beleeve in him that he dyed for them as wel● as you though both live in your sins and so count the Bl●od of Christ an unholy thing Fo● your seventh Position that men are justified by that righteousnesse which Christ within us enables us to performe or which is in effect and some of them have expressed by inherent righteousnesse and you say it is affirmed by Iames Nayler in a Book wherein it is said this light within you will let you see your sins bring to repentance and tendernesse of heart bring you to feare God and so leade up to justification and peace I answer How the holding for●h that the light of Christ leades up to these Iohn 8. 12. things which the Scriptures doe witnesse doth hold forth an inherent righteousnesse let any wise man judge but by wresting truth to slander you would deceive the simple And you say Nayler saith We are not reconciled to God till we be perfectly holy and able to stand so in our owne power pag. 25. I answer that no unperfect thing can be reconciled to God is plain in Scripture but that I said or writ That man must be able to stand in his owne power is an horrid lye as the Boo●e shall witnesse against you wherein is Printed quite contrary and least any should not have the Booke and so beleeve this false slander I shall set downe the words as they are Printed pag. 25. the words of the Quaere are these Whether God created man and woman perfect without sinne and able in his own power to have stood if they had not forsaken his power and consented to the wisedome of the Serpent yea or no Now what truth is in these men who notwithstanding the word be twice over repeated to stand in Gods power yet they are not ashamed to wrest it to their own power but what is in their hearts may appeare to all men by this as in the rest of the untruths in their Booke which are not a few And to your Position of being justified by any of our own workings we deny for it is he that worketh in us to will and to doe of his good pleasure and herein we deny selfe works and selfe will and stand in the will and workings of another blessed for ever For your eight Position That God and Man cannot be wholly reconciled till he be brought into the state of the first Adam and able in his own power to stand perfect And for proofe of this you refer the Reader to a Booke of Naylers pag. 26. And you say that their owne eyes may satisfie them there I answer That the Reader may be satisfied in the truth of what you say I shall set downe the plaine words in pag. 26. and the words of the Quaere are these Whether God and Man be wholly reconciled till Man be brought into that estate againe yea or no Now that God and Man is not reconciled till he be redeemed is plaine in Scripture but that here is any thing in these words spoken by me of Man being able in his owne power to stand let the Reader judge who may plainly see how you adde to my words your owne inventions to slander withall which are neither spoken not thought by me for
I spoke of Adam being able to have stood in Gods power if he had not forsaken his power and consented to the wisedome of the Serpent which you wrest to his owne power but wickednesse shall be on the head of the wicked And you that say That Adam in the state of innocency was under the covenant of works make it appear to all that know Adams state that you never knew it for the Law wherein is the covenant of works was added after because of the transgression but being ignorant of the spirit by which these things are known you imagine of them in your carnall wisedome and as your Books leade you but Adams innocent estate you knew not For your ninth Position that no man that commits sinne or that is not perfectly holy can ever enter into the Kingdome of Heaven unlesse there be a Purgatory And you say James Nayler in his Booke before quoted pag. 26. puts it by way of quaerie I answer in pag. 26. there is not a word to that purpose as you have set downe but seeing you are mistaken in this as in many more things I shall help your mistake for the better informing of the Reader in pag. 25. which you intend the words of the quaere are these Whether any unperfect and uncleane one that lives in sin shall enter into the Kingdome of Heaven yea or zo And if not how shall one dying in sinne and where shall he be made perfect and cleane seeing the tree must lye ●s it falls and whether you own a Purgatory yea or no Now I shall appear to any one that is guided by a Principle of truth whether you have not wrested my words quite to another sence as though I said no man that hath sinned can ever enter into the Kingdome and as though I owned a Purgatory but you are so used to wrest the Scriptures being unlearned and so used to turne the truth into a lye by your serpents wisedome that you cannot cease from it and were it not that what is Printed that cannot be altered did witnesse against you it would not be beleeved that such as you professe your selves to be should so wholly give your selves to serve the Father of lyes but blessed be God who is laying open your deceipt whereby you have destroyed soules and in the pit you have digged you shall be taken but the simple shall escape your snares You say The blood of Christ is your Purgatory which cleanseth the soule from all sins yet as to personall actings very guilty and to prove it you quote 1 John 1. 7. but doth that Text say any are cleansed from sin while they personally act sin or the quite contrary who saith If we walk in the light as he is in the light we have fellowship one with another and the blood of Jesus Christ his Sonne cleanseth us from all sinne Now he that walks in the light doth not commit sin for sin is darkenesse but you that talke of being cleansed by the blood of Christ and yet live in sin counts the blood of Christ an unholy thing but you must pleade for your Fathers Kingdome and you are faithfull to him as appears in all this your Booke For your tenth Position No reall Saint but he that is perfect and perfectly holy in this life and doth not sin And you say it is Naylers designe in his Booke to prove this pag. 21. 22. I answer It seems there can be no greater offence with you then 1 Iohn 3. 8. to cry downe sin and to grow up to perfection though it is the very end for which Christ is manifest viz. To destroy the Col. 1. 28. works of the Devill and to present the Saints perfect to the Father as is plaine in Scripture And here you shew what Kingdome you are of who pleade so much against the end of Christs comming And in your 11. page you quote Gal. 3. 10. and saith there the Apostle clearely holds forth an universall impossibility to fulfill the righteousnesse of the Law when Christ saith Not one jot shall fall till all be fulfilled And the same Apostle saith Rom. 8. 3. 4. That God sent his owne Sonne that the righteousnesse of the Law might be fulfilled in us who walke not after the flesh but after the spirit And here you bely the Apostle and deny the end of Christs comming and pleade for continuing in sin and imperfection as is plaine in this you call your confutation wherein you wrest and twine the Scriptures to pleade for the Devills Kingdome and putting cleansing from sin and perfection afar off till after death in another world and all to make the commands of God and endeavours of the Saints and comming of Christ of no effect here but all must serve sin here and you set it downe as a strange thing that Richard Farnesworth should say That no uncleane thing can enter into the Kingdome of Heaven though it be plaine Scripture but you must appeare for now God is seperating the pretious from the vile the day is come For your eleventh Position that every man in the world hath a light within him sufficient to guide him to salvation without the helpe of any outward light or discovery I answer That Iesus Christ is the onely light and there is none besides him to guide to salvation and that he is the light of the whole world and was given of the Father for that end is plaine in the whole Scriptures The Prophets prophesied of him That he should be given for a light even to the Gentiles Iohn Baptist beares Isay 42 6. witnesse That he was not that light but came to beare witnesse to it and that was the true light that lightneth every one that commeth into the world Iohn 1 8. 9. Christ saith of himselfe I am the light of the world he that follows me shall not walke in darkenesse but shall have the light of life Iohn 8. 12. Again This is the condemnation that light is come into the world and men love darkenesse rather then light because their deeds are evill Iohn 3. 19. Now this light shines in darkenesse but Iohn 1. 4. 5. the darkenesse comprehends it not and here are you who calls this light a naturall light and denyes the words of Christ and the Prophets and would make them lyars like you and all the world shall witnesse against you that they have a light that lets them see when they sinne which if they did minde and obey woule leade out of sin to Christ and all who have obeyed it shall witnesse it and this light of Christ is perfect in its measure as it ariseth and needs no outward light or discovery And this is the cause why this light is so hated of the Devill and them that love their sins because the Devill can have no hold in any corner of the heart but this will discover him and no sinne can be committed but it checks for it till the