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A86649 The fiery darts of the divel quenched; or, Something in answer to a book called, a second beacon fired, presented to the Lord Protector, and the Parliament, and subscribed by Luke Fawne, John Rothwel, Samuel Gellibrand, Thomas Underhill, Joshua Kirton, Nathaniel Web. Wherin, their lies and slanders are made manifest against the innocent, and those books which have been published by them they call Quakers, owned and vindicated, and all the rest which is in that book disowned, and their deceite laid open; how they have perverted the truth and our words in those books which they cry out of as blasphemy, that the truth may not suffer under the reproach of the heathen. / By one who is a witnesse for the truth against Gog and Magog, called after the flesh, Francis Howgil. Also something in answer to a booke called a voice from the Word of the Lord, by one John Griffith, against us, whom the world calls Quakers, wherein his false accusations is denied, and he proved to be a slanderer, and the truth cleared from his scandals. By one who is a witnesse against the deceits of the world, called Edward Burrough. Howgill, Francis, 1618-1669.; Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662. 1654 (1654) Wing H3159; Thomason E817_16; ESTC R207383 23,227 35

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evil doers and for the lawlesse for liers and slanderers such as you are and for the praise of them that do wel and we honor such in our hearts and obeys their just commands and are not like him that said he would goe and went not but are subject for conscience sake to the powers that are of ●od and are subject to every ordinance of man for the Lords sake but we cannot flatter nor respect mens persons and deny the faith of Christ but are brought from under the power of unrighteousnesse by the mighty power of God and are subject to all just lawes which stand not nor were made in mans wil but obeys them for consciences sake and if any Law which is not just nor equal be required upon us that wee cannot do wee suffer for conscience sake and resist not at all as many of our enemies will witnesse for us and therefore you false accusers be silent they that are subject to Israels Commonwealth are righteous and walkes in righteousnesse in that which is just good and holy and wee witnesse against all the Canaanites who walk in unrighteousnesse and all who are enemies to the Commonwealth of Israel must be broken to pieces and them that strive and contend against the faith which was once delivered to the Saints and is now witnessed praysed be the Lord all such must be disturbed and broken to peices by the just even all the unjust shal be broken and as for that which thou sayest wee say we ought not to be subject to any civil Government but that which is within us oh thou lyer when wilt thou cease thy lying where is that I charge thee to prove where that is spoken yet this I say unto all Moses received the Law from the mouth of the Lord and it was revealed to him and in him and then he wrote it without and was subject to it and all who makes Laws now and doe not receive them from God they make them in their own wils and such as doe act contrary to the Law of God but that Law which is righteous which is according to that in the conscience which is holy and good and civil we are subject both within and without to it and all you your subjection which is not from a principle within is not in truth not singlenesse of heart but with flattery and your eye service and your bowing downe in hypocrisie and saying you are subject when there is no truth in the heart and so you are not subject for conscience sake And further you say in Farnworth general good to all people let every soule be subject to the higher Powers By powers is meant God the Father of Jesus Christ and by King the Lord of Hosts and that is another Blasphemy Woe unto filthy lyers I challenge you that you have perverted his words and would give meanings upon them as you do upon the Scriptures and your owne dark sottish mindes cannot comprehend and therefore you give your own imaginations and then calles it Blasphemy and let all that read that Booke see if you have not belyed the truth and perverted his words Another thing you set downe for Blasphemy that none are ministers of God and called by him who are sent forth by Authority of man and that he that is not infallible in his judgement is no Minister of Christ Answer You might have said Pauls words were Blasphemy he was made a Minister not by mens wil and all the holy men of God and apostles were not Ministers by the will of man but contrary to the wil of man and all who are made Ministers of man and by man we deny and the Scripture denies them for what they Preached they neither received it of man nor from man but by the revelation of Jesus Christ and all who have and are made Ministers by heare say and what they have formed up in their imaginations from the Scripture with their points and their doctrins which they raise in their carnall mindes all such we declare against and all such who abide not in the Doctrine of Christ and all who were made Ministers of Christ were Spiritual and infallible that which is not infallible is carnall and all who are guided by the Spirit of Christ is infallible and they that are not guided by it are none of his nor the Sons of God nor Ministers of Christ and therefore all that such can judge of is nothing but imaginary and all you who have subscribed this Booke and all such Ministers I deny Yee shamelesse men would you be trying and perscribing and set dowe what is Heresie and Blasphemy and cryes out of that for Heresie and Blasphemy which you should try with all your shame is laid open to all and now your shame I hope will appeare to the Parliament whom you Petition What cry you out against books and printing and blasphemy that cannot distinguish a lamb from a dog would you judg truth by darknesse and you are offended that there are so many Quakers met in the North parts lately two thousand yea blessed bee the Lord there are many thousands that sees you and never will bow to Baal nor worship in the house of Rimmon more and m●ny shal not only come from the North but also from the South yea in London that now sees all your deceit and they shal enter and you shal be shut out And what truth is this that cannot defend it selfe and what religion is that which cannot defend it selfe but you must have all bend to your image that you would set up And now unto you who are petitioned unto I say unto you take heed and beware how you call or suppresse any thing as error or how you meddle in the prescribing God a way to walke in for he cannot he will not be limited and I say unto you it were better a milstone were hanged about your necks then to hinder or stop or make any law to hinder the passage of the truth which is arising and consider the Lord hath thrown out all powers before this because they would needs limit the Holy one of Israel and prescribe him a way and a government how he should be worshipped and many have suffered and what hath all come to all the rules that men hath laid down hath they not beene as the untimely fruit of a woman and as corne upon the house top and for that all hath beene throwne downe and broken and the jealousie of the Lord is broken forth as fire and and woe to them that withstands him in his way and now I say unto you if you now prescribe God a way and if that in the conscience have not liberty but you wil goe about to set bounds to him and his people in the worship of God you shall be broken as a potters vessel for the government is upon his shoulders and he wil not give his glory to any other the Lord hath spoken it And for the rest
that Christ hath enlightned all men but I shal lay downe your own words and prove you liers out of that booke called the General good to all people and you say the light of God that is in all men that is to wit natural conscience that it is sufficient if wee give heed unto it to discover sinne and and turne our minds towards God and that this light within is the grace of God and that it is Christ in us Answer Let all that reades that booke see if you bee not liers and slanderers and perverters and are in the generation of those false witnesses which bore witnesse against Christ and here I charge you to be liers Where in all the bookdoth he say that the light of a natural conscience is sufficient to guide to God if it be taken heed to or where doth it say it discovers sin there is another lie and where doth hee say that natural conscience is the grace of God there is a third lie and where doth hee say that natural conscience is Christ in us there is a fourth lie bee ashamed that ever you should goe and present so many filthy lies to authority that there is no truth in at all Oh yee darke mindes would you be judging and prescribing what is heresie and blasphemie and cals the light of Christ paganisme and heresie but I am bold in the Name of the Lord to declare unto you and unto all the world that Christ is the true light that hath enlightned every one that comes into the world and that this light is spiritual and not natural and it convinceth of all sinne hee shal convince the world of sinne and whoso obey this light which shines into the conscience it leads up to Christ and out of sinne and it turns the mind towards God and it shines in darknesse but you dark sottish children know it not yea you that hate it have it and it shal condemne you and when the book of conscience shall be opened you shall be judged for all your hard speeches against the truth Another thing you present to be blasphemie and heresie is that the worship that is performed in England with those Ministers that sing Davids Psalms baptize infants weare double cuffes boot hose tops take tithes say men shal never be perfect in this world and that say the letter is the light and the letter is the word and that salvation is in the Scripture and that cals Matthew Mark Luke John the Gospel are seducers and no Ministers of the word but shew forth the Spirit of error Answer All those Ministers in England which abide not in the Doctrine of Christ all those worshippers and worships which is contrary to the Scripture are Heathenish and they worship they know not what and all such worship is an abomination to the true God and I charge you and all those that would be counted Ministers in England to prove from the Scripture where the Saints sung Davids conditions and Psalms in rimes and meter and where is there any Scripture for baptizing of Infants and whether any of the Ministers of Christ lived in pride and lusts of the flesh and where any Ministers of Christ took tithes which belonged to the first Priesthod and the first covenant and so they that uphold the first denie the second and the one everlasting offering which perfects for ever them that are sanctified and where doth the Scripture say that the letter is the word and the light but it witnesses against you and saith God is the word and Christ is the light and Christ is the Gospel yea the everlasting Gospel and Mathew Marke Luke and John declared of him and heare be you a witnesse against your self ye dark minded men and I charge you that you deny the Scripture and all those who upholds those things are in the heathenish nature without God in the world in the earth where the Divil dwels who is an accuser of the Bretheren and doth not the Scripture and they declare it who were Ministers of Christ that there were that ran after the errour of Balaam and their hearts was exercised with covetous practises and were there not such that was raylers and false accusers and blind watchmen and greedy dumb dogs and such as sought for their gaine from their quarter and such as lead into wichcraft and Antichrists deceivers you might as wel have called Christ and Paul and Peter and Jude Blasphemers and Hereticks but you are made manifest just to be them and in the same nature that called Christ a blasphemer and Paul a pestilent fellow and a setter forth of strange Gods and the Ministers of Christ seditious and thou might as wel say Christ despised a Governor when he called Herod a fox and now blessed be the Lord the houre of his Judgments is come and we freely declare against all deceit both in Magistrates Priests and people as they did that wrote forth the Scripture and beare witnesse to his name as they did in our measure and we have suffered and do suffer dayly by slanderous tongues such as you have and imprisonments and cruel mockings and stripes and bonds and can truly say to the praise of his name we beare in our bodies the markes of the Lord Jesus but we must passe through good report and evil report and it is our Crown and rejoycing to suffer for his name and now Gog and Magog and all the powers of the earth bends themselves and are angry even the nations that professe Christ in words and say the Scripture is their rule but walke not according to it and against all such hypocrisie are we witnesses to the fulfilling our testimony and the laying down of our lives that he alone may be honored who sits upon the throne of David and of whose Government there is no end to whom be praise for ever who shall breake all your combinations and plots and you shall be ground to powder who set your selves against him and be dashed to pieces as a Potters vessel And now to that which you call Antimagistratical errors that the magistrates are not to have titles of worshipful or right worshipful and that the Subjects of a Common Wealth which is not Israels Common wealth are to be disturbed and that no civil Government is to be acknowledged but the government of the Law within us Answer Where reads thou or any that any Magistrate was called worshipful or right worshipful or ever any of the Saints of God did so he that is righteousnesse and truth unto whom all honor and worship belongs God blessed for ever we owne and worship he is no respecter of persons And you filty flaterers who are in the curse respect mens persons and so you are rased out for ever from the faith of Christ and from the faith which all the holy men of God lived in that you know it not but you false accusers Magistrates we know and they are for the punishment of
hear his voice and a strangerthey will not hear I answer They that are of God do owne the writings of all the servants of Christ but many may professe their words as the Pharisees did the Prophets words and as thou dost now and yet not bee of God but children to the divel but that our conceits are fleshly I do deny thee for all conceits of the flesh wee deny and beares witnesse against and it shall stand for thy owne condition and thy voice is the voice of a stranger and they that are of God will not follow it though thou bring the Saints words in thy mouth as the divel did unto Christ yet in the light of Christ thou art seene and comprehended and from the light of Christ answered and by it judged to be without the life of those scriptures which thou speaks of and they are from thee but as an empty sound And whereas thou cites many more Scriptures which are exhortations of the Apostles to the Church and exhorts thy Bretheren with them to vvhich I Ansvver as before The Scriptures I doe ovvne but to thee thou envious man they doe not belong for as in this thy vvriting thou art proved a lier and a scorner and a slanderer and a false accuser and a blasphemer out of thy ovvne mouth be a vvitnesse against thy selfe and let all thy vvhole assembly beare vvitnesse against thee that the Scriptures vvhich vvere spoken to the Saints vvho vvalked in the light and had denyed ungodliness doth not belong unto thee vvho art an hater of the light and lives in the pollutions of the vvorld but the Scriptures vvhich vvill surely be fulfilled upon thee the wicked shal be turned into hel and the lier shal have his portion in the lake and he that works abomination is to be troden in the winepresse of the wrath of God without the City and such like And now somthing in answer to something in the Epistle to the Reader whereas thou and the rest of you there say although the light hath appeared yet there is a generation of men in the world that doe hate the light and endeavour to put it out crying against the scriptures of truth it s a dead letter and against the forme of doctrine therein contained To which I answer It is true the light hath appeared Christ who is the light lightneth every one that comes into the world which light hath appeared in every mans conscience and there is a generation which hates the light and you are of that generation which say every man hath not the light and calls the light of Christ thick darknesse and endeavors to put it out and here you have read your owne condition though you make a large profession of the Scriptures which is not the light but words declared from the light as the Jewes did professe the prophets words but persecuted Christ and spoke against him who was the light and substance of the prophets words and if you know any who cries against the scripture and against the doctrine therin contained with you we cry and declare against such for the scripture we owne in its place to be a true declaration of God of Christ and of the saints conditions but they are not the light but Christ is the light as themselves bear witness nor are they the saints guide but he spirit that gave them forth as they themselves bear testimony neither was the scriptures given forth to give your own imaginations and suppositions upon but they themselves are doctrine and are as they speak he that hath the same spirit which speaks them forth reads them and understands them and none else and whereas thou saist lest that simple plaine meaning men should be kept in Babels darkness or the enlightned fall into the errour of the wicked for that reason your book came to publick view I answer Truly you are deceived who think to gaine into your form the simple plain meaning men by lies and false slanders and false accusation who are simple and plain unto God wil discern your deceits and how falsly you have accused the innocent and wil see you your selves to be in Babels darkness and who walks in the light wherwith they are lightned wil see you to be in the errour of the wicked and out of the truth and it is well for the truths sake that your book came forth that thereby your filthiness and deceitfulness and enviousness might be laid open to the simple And truly I say unto you you have and wil miss of your end in putting forth this book of yours and whereas you say you shall be willing at any time to vindicate every conclusion therein contained against any that shall oppose I answer I challenge you all in this particular to prove those accusations which you have laid to our charge whom you call Quakers in many particulars which before I have demanded what they are is before spoken of and whereas you say you account that light within not witnessed by the scripture without which some so much talke of to be deep darkness I answer if you know any who speake of any light which the Scripture doth not witnesse of we with you freely declares against such and such a light is darkness but the light of Christ which we speak of which hath lightned every one that cometh into the world I hope you are not so impudent but you wil acknowledge that the scriptures speaks of this light and dare not deny but that the scripture witnesses that Christ is the light of the world for as I said we freely give way and desires that all might search the scripture whether these things be not so as we declare And whereas you say and exhort to let the Scripture be the rule of faith and practice I Answ Here you would alwaies keep people in darkeness under your teaching and would make void the new Covenant which is the Law written in the heart and the spirit of the Lord put in the inward parts to be the rule and guide of the Saints for who walkes by the rule without them and teaches men so to do would make void the Covenant of life and peace where the teacher is not removed into a corner which teacher all that have faith and an holy conversation do witnesse which teaches not contrary to what the Scripture speaks but is a teaching fulfilling of the Scripture and an establishing of it though thou and many may professe the teaching of the Scripture and may in your own wills conform unto it in the outward appearance as the Pharisees did and yet be but Hypocrites and deceived as they were and I say againe that faith was before the Scripture was written which faith is declared of in the Scripture which faith comes as is manifested by hearing of the word Preached which word is even in the mouth and in the heart if you have an ear you may hear now I advise you all in the name of the Lord to cease striving and contending against the truth for verily the stone which is cut out of the mountain without hands will dash your image of many mixtures to peices and it falling upon you wil grinde you to powder and your conforming the outward man to an outward thing and teaching men so to doe and limiting and tying the Holy one to a visible thing wil not cover you in the day of the Lord nay verily though concerning the Scripture without you may walk blamelesse yet one thing will be found lacking even the crosse of Jesus Christ by which all sin is crucified in them who walks in it and I say unto you that your covering is too narrow and it will not hide your secret parts for in the eternall light of Christ you are seen and comprehended your beginning your time and your end for though you have the Scriptures and Jewish like walkes up in the outward appearance of them crying the ordinances and Churches are ye yet your praise is of men and not of God for you are enemies to the life of the Scriptures as is made appear by your many lies and slanders against us which you have uttered and I say returen your minds every one within to that in your own consciences which reproves you in secret for your secret iniquities it wil let you see where your hearts are and how far they are mortified to the world and the love of it and this light wherewith every one of you is lightned is the light of Christ and it is the Lords true witnesse and shall witnesse for him eternally against all whose deeds are evil who walk in disobedience of it and all who love it and walk in it it leads unto Christ and into all purity and holinesse and uprightness of heart towards God and man and this light leads unto justification all them who are taught by it and here is your teacher loving it and your condemnation eternally continuing to hate it And thus I have answered your booke and the truth is witnessed and many false lies and false accusations denied and testified against and thus I rest waiting for an answer to clear your self if you be able of those things which I have denied from you which you have charged upon us for God is my witnesse this I do desire that truth may be made manifest and imbraced and deceit and errour discovered and denied
living God I speak in clearing the innocent from thy false slanders and it shall stand for thy owne condition fleshly corrupt and sensuall minded and the working of the mysterie of iniquity And herein I prove thee to be so by thy fruits thy lies and false reproaches and envious false acusation which is the fruites of the flesh and of corrupt sensuall mindednesse which fruits doth appeare in this thy writing and as for the mysterie of godlinesse it is hidden from thee and in that mind and nature you shall never know it for thou lives in the sight of thy owne pollutions and of thy carnal ordinances and not in the injoyment of the mysterie of Christ which is godlinesse and whereas thou saiest yee may rejoyce and in nothing be terrified because the Scriptures did foretel of such and is fulfilled in these men and thou brings many Scriptures where Christ and the Apostles prophesied of the coming in of false prophets and teachers I answer Though yee do now rejoyce yet your joy shall be turned into howling and sorrow and the Lord hath said it and the day of terrour will overtake you wherein your hearts shal faile you for feare and your foundation shall be removed and it is true that the Scripture doth foretell of us and is witnessed in us that all the Lords children should be taught of the Lord and that the Lord would gather his flock out of the mouths of all dum be shepherds c. and according to our growth up in the life of the Scriptures they are fulfilled in us but false prophets wee do deny though all those Scriptures which thou hast set downe we owne to be prophesies of false prophets those false prophets which Christ prophesied of came in the Apostles dayes they saw them coming in then 1. Joh. 2. 18. and as all these Scriptures testifies which thou hast cited and since the Apostles daies hath beene a great Apostacie and not a true Church of Christ could be found and ever since hath the same generation of false prophets stood under several forms and appearances deceiving the nations but now the pure light of Christ shines discovering to them who walke in the light who they are and daily more and more clearly shall they be seene and thou wilt be found in their number who art a cursed child in whom the son of perdition is exalted which utters forth thy lies and slanders sensually and make it manifest to all that thou hast not the spirit of God but art separated from it in self separation which is abomination unto God and must be scattered by him and whereas thou saiest seeing it is so let you be filled with boldnesse and let you contend against those ungodly ones which are now risen I answer ungodlinesse wee deny and your boldnesse shall the Lord turne in weaknesse and faintnesse and your contendings against us shall not prosper for this is our heritage every tongue that riseth up in judgement shal be condemned you shall all be scattered and driven away as chaffe before the wind who sets your selves to contend against the truth for that which is now risen shall confound you all And whereas thou brings many Scriptures which were exhortations of the Apostle to the saints with exhorting thy brethren I answer The Scriptures I do owne and that spirit which spake them forth I witnesse but thou art an enemie to the power of them though thou have the forme of truth thy lying and false accusing hath made thee appear to be an enemie to the life which the holy men of God lived in and so hath cleared thy selfe from those Scriptures which were written to the Saints and must owne those which was written to the world the lier must be cast into the lake the wicked must bee turned in hell and such as these must thou owne to belong unto thee and these are thy Scriptures which thou hast right unto And whereas thou saiest wee talke of high enjoyments and great revelations without above and beyond the Scripture and that wee talke of a light which is besides the Scripture but it is deepe and thick darknesse and what hath such lights led men unto even contempt of God and of all righteousnesse I answer Here again thou art found a lier and an accuser of the brethren for what wee do declare the Scripture witnesses to the same and wee speake of nothing but what is declared of in the Scripture by the holy men of God and neither without it nor above or beyond it do wee speake I challenge thee to prove what thou hast asserted and all the City of London that we speak or declares any thing but what the Scriptures bears witnesse to the same and the light which wee declare of is the light of Christ which the scripture saith lightneth every one that comes into the world and it is not besides the scripture so as contrary to it but the scripture bears witnesse of the light and ●ere I charge thee with blasphemie who calles the pure light of Christ thick darknesse and that the light of Christ which is the light which wee declare of hath led men or leads any to contemne God or his ordinances or righteousnesse let shame strike thee in the face thou impudent one who blasphemously say that the light of Christ is thick darkness and leads into contempt of God let the light in thy owne conscience condemne thee thou enemie of God for thy lies and slanders and blasphemie which in this thy booke thou hast uttered and wheras thou exhortest to labour to see an excellency in Christ in the word of Christ and in the Church and Ordinances of Christ I answer For the simple ones sake that they may not be deceived none ever shall see any excellencie in those things but who ownes and walkes in the light of Christ which lets every one see themselves first and your talking of the same and report of Christ and of his Word and Ordinances is not to know the excellencie of those things for death in you talkes of the same but the thing in subst●nce you are ignorant of and you who stumbles at the light wherewith Christ lightneth every one are above the doore which is the entrance unto the life of these things and so I exhort all to mind the light of Christ and to walk in it and it will lead unto Christ from whence the light comes and it wil lead to the fulfilling of Christs words and to the one bread and to the one baptisme and the light is the door and entrance unto the life of those things but you who hate the light and denies it to be in every one hath but the huske and outward declaration of those things and are without the life and wheras thou saist they that are of God wil hear John Peter and Paul and the rest that were the servants of Christ not the fleshly conceits of those or any other men Christs sheep