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time_n cantica_fw-la pur._n 420._o ber._n ser._n 66_o in_o cantica_fw-la miscreant_n and_o dog_n for_o laugh_v we_o to_o scorn_v say_v bernard_n that_o we_o baptize_v infant_n that_o we_o pray_v for_o the_o dead_a that_o we_o require_v the_o help_n of_o the_o holy_a saint_n in_o so_o much_o that_o yourself_o also_o confess_v in_o another_o place_n say_v bernard_n be_v of_o opinion_n that_o sin_n not_o remit_v in_o this_o world_n 194._o pur._n 194._o may_v be_v remit_v in_o the_o world_n to_o come_v whether_o purgatory_n be_v only_o for_o venial_a sin_n one_o other_o little_a stay_n we_o must_v make_v about_o s._n augustine_n judgement_n 122.448_o pur._n 122.448_o be_v this_o as_o you_o say_v that_o purgatory_n serve_v to_o purge_v none_o but_o very_o small_a and_o light_a offence_n whereas_o d._n allen_n say_v that_o it_o be_v for_o great_a fault_n also_o which_o by_o penance_n be_v make_v small_a allege_v for_o it_o this_o plain_a place_n quaedam_fw-la enim_fw-la peccata_fw-la 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