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A64554	The Independent-agent, or, William Haworth's malice, out-rage, and slander against the people called Quakers (in his late book, falsly stiled, Jesus of Nazareth not the Quakers Messiah) rebuked	Thomas, Richard, 17th cent.	1677 (1677)	Wing T970A; ESTC R9699	5,854	10

by a constant writing and disputing against our Errors as thou callest them Thy writing and publishing gross Lyes will not do it we are sure But why our Nest at Hertford broken up dost thou envy our Liberty and our Meetings wouldst thou disturb us and pull thy House about thy Ears like the clamorous Woman wouldst thou be so dealt by do not bark too loud at us why dost thou belch out thy Malice thus we fear thee not thou malicious man and implacable apostate-Persecutor who hast confessed thou hast been Ten times a Quaker p. 46. Couldst thou not find in thy heart to take up the first Stone and become our Executioner if thou hadst Power and Licence as well as endeavour to possess the world that we teach such Blasphemies as deserve stoning to death Is this your Independent-Religion and Christianity what say you Independent Teachers and Pastors John Owen Matthew Mead T. Brooks Jo. Collins and the rest will it grace your Cause to suffer such an Agent as W. H. to be your Representative for all the Independent-Party in England not doubting of your Prayers and Encouragement c. In the next place we demand of William Haworth or any of you to quote our Books and the Pages and cite them in our own words if you can where he or you have read these passages ●n which much of his Book and Inferences depend viz. 1. That what was taken of the Virgin hath now no Being which he sayes he has read in our Books p. 5. l. 8. We challenge him to produce those Books and Pages where these words are for we deny the Assertion 2. That when we say the same Man ascended to Heaven and i● glorified in Heaven it is no more th●n this viz that the Light within is lifted up exalted and glorified in the hearts of men And that by his ascending to Heaven we mean the Globe which we call the Earth p. 15. clause last A notorious Perversion and Falshood for by the same Man ascending in our Testimony we meant simply the visible Asce●sion of the Man Christ Jesus as we have told him viz. We could not more plainly and historically have signified our meaning then we did from these Scriptures Acts 1. 9 10. Luke 24. 50 51. see our Vindication pag. 15. 3. He bids the Reader take notice that here is not a word against that meaning that be ascribed to the Quakers words They debt not but that they do mean this of the Light within p. 16. l. 1 c. Which is a gross Lye see pag. 15 16. of our Vindication in the very same passage viz. where we have plainly declared That the same Man Christ that suffered and was put to Death in the Flesh was raised by the mighty Power of God ascended into Heaven ascended that is both as to the change of place and state of glory c. That the Mystery of Christ in Spirit no wayes opposes the History of Christ in the Flesh See how plain our words are 4. That the Quakers say the Soul is turn'd into i●mensity p. 32. l. 32. Where do the Quakers say these words let him shew us without his inference For 't is matter of Fact charged that they say so 5. That he remembers one of G. Fox's Interpretations that when 't is said he took upon him the Seed of Abraham that Seed was the Light within p. 37. l. 6 7. Where does G. F. so interpret that Scripture for we do not believe he ever did so 6. That we say in our Books that the Light within that Body was crucified p. 37 38. Pray let 's have the Book and Pages cited for we deny that we have so said or so construed Christs dying on the Cross 7. That now the Quakers say that what Paul saith in Rom. 4. 6. is contrary to what David saith in Psal 32. 2. p. 8 9. Pray where do the Quakers say so 8. That he would fain be satisfied that we are real when we say the same Jesus but how can he when we unsay it again in our 1st and 2d Book p. 12. l. 19. That we unsay it again is a notorious Falshood We challenge him to cite our own words without his own Perversions Meaning or Co●sequencess to be considered by Persons more ingenuous and less malicious then himself 9. That William Bates faith he is ONLY SORRY for his Weakness and Oversight in giving him such an Answer p. 10. A Forgery for he adds only sorry and makes himself work on this Lye And what 's the man's Intent in all these but to pursue his false Title and Charge viz. That Jesus of Nazareth is not the Quakers Messiah c. or that they deny him to be the Messiah and that they did deny the Manhood of Christ and so to render us as not owning his real outward Birth Sufferings Resurre on c with his whole Manifestation in the Flesh Wherein he hath abominably abused us For the Man Christ Jesus the Messiah the Anointed of God we have confessed unto and faithfully believe according to the Scriptures of Truth viz. those of all the holy Prophets and Apostles who gave testimony of him the true Messiah Wherefore let our Adversary confess the Man Christ Jesus in plain Scripture-terms and leave us to them or else he may be silent For we value not all his Cavils and Scribling c. especially unless some of his eminent Teac●ing Brethren appear in print to own this his last Book and the rest of his Work against us and therefore we challenge him to produce his Deputation for this his undertaking against us under the Hands of some of the chief Pastors of the Independent Congregation or otherwise we shall absolutely look upon his Work as the Fruit of his own silly Presumption and Usurpation We have also a Collection of a great number more of W. H's Lyes and Perversions in a more particular Answer which as yet we reserve the su●stance of his Book about Christ's Manhood being more fully answered in a Book stiled The Way cast up and the Stu●bling-blocks removed by Geo. Keith Reader We ha●e taken notice of W. H's Doctrines more at large in our Answer which we yet reserve and of these amongst others viz. 1. As concerning his justifying his Brother Powel's blasphemous Doctrine and yet cunningly leaves out the words to wit That JESUS CHRIST WAS THE GREATEST SINNER IN THE WORLD pag. 10. 2. Concerning some of them saying That the Creator was and is a Creature by a Figure which he is fain frequently to make use of in his Book pag. 2. 3. Concerning his Unscriptural and Socinian assertion That the Soul of the Son of God's manhood that is to say the Soul of the man Christ was created upon the first Conception of the Body in the Womb of the Virgin On which we ask If he was not a Mediator before that Conception and Birth even from the Beginning 4. Concerning our Consequence drawn upon him of his allowing Satan more Power or Liberty to tempt the Saints then the Man Christ to help them by so much as extending his Spirit unto them as Man though beyond measure indued with divine Power because he calls the Soul of the Man Christ a finite Creature that cannot be in two places at once p 29. yet con●esseth Satan to be an Angel yet but a Creature p. 36. and notwithstanding that he is here on Earth to tempt the Saints because he is not yet bound up in Hell so that still he allows Satan more power to tempt the Saints though in many places at once far distant then the Man Christ to relieve them though he be their Mediator and Head and yet g●ants that the Man Christ is virtually present on Earth pag. 20. How then does not his Soul extend to the Saints and yet not leave the Body dead in Heaven as he vainly argues p. 35. 5. We observe that his Doctrine destroyeth the Order of the Mediator and Christs Headship over h●s Church where the Head of every man is Christ and the Head of Christ is God for he allows his Spirit only as God but not as Man to extend unto them and yet how apparently he is confounded and his Cause oveturned by his confessing that the Deity perfects all good in it but then the Humanity is in union with it and acts with it and they must not be put assunder and Antidote pag. 28. that the Deity acts in it or through it as an Organ or Instrument Pag. 26 27. But how can this be in perfecting all good in us if this Instrument as such does not at all reach to us and his similitude in this case that the Sun in the firmament can send forth light and heat throughout the Hemispire c. and that this similitude falls short very much this also tends to destroy his Cause and to invalid his Objection to wit That the Humanity or Manhood is not in all places where the Deity is unless it be a good inference that ther●fore it cannot extend to men on Earth but is far short of the Power and Influence of the Sun which extends to us and yet this similitude is very much short of the thing he brings it for too for Christs very Body in Heaven he hath confessed to be brighter then a Thousand Suns Antid How evident is it that this man is still drowned in Confusion and Darkness And thus we have given him one sheet in answer to his fix sheets and an half not judging him worthy at present of the publication of our larger Answer by reason he is such an abominable Slanderer of an innocent People Hartford the 10th of the 9th moneth 1677. Richard Thomas H. Sweeting Richard Martin Edw Plumstod Henry Stout THE END

THE Independent-Agent Or William Haworth's Malice Out-rage and Slander against the People called Quakers in his late Book falsly stiled Jesus of Nazareth not the Quakers Messiah Rebuked Jer. 48. 30. I know his VVrath but his Eyes shall not so effect it Rom. 1. 29. Being filled with maliciousness full of envy murder debate deceit FOrasmuch as on the occasion of our Answers and Replyes to William Haworth's Books and Pamphlets against the People called Quakers he gives us occasion to charge his Miscarriages and Abuses upon you of the Independent Party not only in these words viz. The Notes of my Antidote were viewed by one learned in Christ's School and I had his Approbation he did judge it sound and encouraged me to print it but also he saith You may well say that you have all this while waged War not only with single W. H. but with all the Independent Party in England I need not fear but I shall have their Prayers and Encouragment to stand by one in Christ's Cause c. p. 38 39. Now Independents behold your Agent who after divers manifest Abuses Perversions false and unfair Citations Variations and Corruptions on many serious Passages in our Books to make our words look with as deformed and ugly a Face as he can he thus charges the Quakers with preaching That the Ordinances of the Gospel are vain and cease for this he cites William Penn lately which W. P. flatly denies as none of his Words or Doctrine That it was the Devil that suffered without the Gates c. That Mary was a Whore and Christ a Bastard for this he cites James Naylor at York with this additional and more general C●arge annexed viz. THESE ARE THE QVAKERS DOCTRINES Here are enough to turn any Christians Stomach saith he And to aggravate the matter against the People called Quakers If he had preached such Doctrine he had deserved to have been dealt with in case that Law should now take place as a Blasphemer that is be stoned to death see his last Book Jes of Naz. p. 45. To all which in the sight and presence of the holy God we answer We are confident his Charge is horribly false in and upon the particulars and certain that 't is an abominable Slander in that general Charge upon the Quakers and he hath most infamously abused us in this matter in saying These are the Quakers Doctrines which we testifie against as so gross and abominable that nothing like them ●ath entred into our Hearts even to imagine much less to preach for Doctrine viz. That it was the Devil that suffered without the Gates c. and that Mary was a Whore and Christ a Bastard and yet he tells the World These are Quakers Doctrines What abominable wickedness is this thus to make infamous a People who abhor such Blasphemy But what Independents is his and your Envy so great that you would have u● stoned to death would you exceed your Brethren in New-England who brought the innocent Blood of some of our Friends upon them 'T is a wonder you do not sor shame stop this your Agent who appears full of Passion Envy and Revenge makes no Conscience to write Lyes and Slanders a proud insolent Boaster no Credit nor Grace to you Independents or your Cause who are chargeable with his abuses till you have cleared your selves of them Why have you slandered and abused a People thus will nothing less satisfie you then to have us stoned to death for Blasphemers and why do you treat u● with such Language as meer Juglers Deceivers of the People the Quakers down-right Socinians Hereticks nothing but deceit in these men they never had any credit among godly men Enemies to the Cross of Christ down-right Knavery Not eat nor drink nor keep company with them but abhor their Society as of a Jew Turk or Heathen John C●ook ' s impertinent foribling jugling equivocating like a man yet no man the ugliest of all their great Goddess Diana the Light within seared Conscience rotten Opinion A company of Cheats The rankest Jesuit at Rom● could ●ot have more wicked insinuations then the Quakers These with many more Slanders and Revilings are disperst throughout W. H's last Book who notwithstanding he has given such absolute Judgment against the Quakers as denying the man Christ setting up a false and fained one calling them Juglers D●ceivers C●●ats c. yet now he reckons there is ground of a shrewd SUSPITION that they do not believe Jesus Christ to be a real man in the Heavens p. 1. and begins to be JEALOVS of us whether we do but think that any thing at all was taken of the Virgin p. 5. and that one would THINK and he BELIEVES that the Quakers are of the same mind with Apollinaries holding that Jesus Christ had not a Living Soul p. 14. and would fain be SATISFIED that we are real when we say the same Jesus p. 12. That according to us till we fu●ther EXPLAIN our selves Jesus Christ neither is now nor ever was a true real man p. 14. And he APPREHENDS that we nullisie both that is Christs Flesh and Blood p. 18. And he FEARS that monstrous Opinion of the Ranters is amongst the Quakers of being Deified and Christheaded p. 23. And he is JEALOUS that our Opinion is that when God breathed into Adam the Breath of Life and man became a living soul that this is the forming of Christ in every man and entreats us to explain our selves p. 36 c. Observe now that he has censured and judged us in these matters from his own Suspition Jealousie Thinking Apprehension and Fears and in the presence of God we deny these his false Jealousies and Surmisings as well in these particulars cited as in many other things not here cited and we cannot expect he will have any good thoughts of us while his Envy is so great as to judge us Juglers Cheats Deceivers c. Donyers of the man Christ Jesus c. But now how uncertain and doubtful is this man his high Charges Clamours and Out-cries against us are turned into Suspition Jealousies Thoughts and Fear c. for want of further explanation and would sain be satisfied that we are real c. But his saying that he fears that mons●rous Opinion of the Ranters is amongst the Quakers c. is a very gross Lye to be sure for he is so far from fearing it that he seeks to make us as monstrous and ugly as he can in our Opinions telling the World that these are the Quakers Doctrines before-cited viz. That it was the Devil that suffered without the Gates That Mary was a Whore and Christ a Bastard intimating that we deserve to be stoned to death Oh most malicious Lyer and Slanderer We dread at the recital of these Blasphemies Well God will smite thee and mark thee out for these most horrible and abominable Slanders And as for thy deeming it high time that our Nest at Hertford were broken up