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A00286 Certaine aduertisements for the good of the church and common-wealth well worthy the serious consideration of the most honourable High Court of Parliament late assembled, and hereafter to be assembled againe. 1624 (1624) STC 10404; ESTC S101634 62,874 84

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can deny you nothing as now the aduersaries of the said Minsters pretend they haue the like power from his Maiestie to deale as they haue done hauing no such power by any Law and yet afterward vpon the petition of one only and he no naturall subiect giuing a counter-commission for the sauing of Ieremiah and fetching him out of prison Ier. 38.10 Exo. 32.10.12 Iudg. 10.13 Exo. 32.11 To conclude this argument hath not God himselfe oft denyed helpe to his people and forbidden men to pray for them or them to pray for themselues and yet for all that holpen them Was this any dishonor to his diuine Maiestie Yea rather As Moses pleaded the honor of God therein and as other being as it were forsaken of the Lord Psal 79.9 craued his helpe and to be deliuered out of their trouble for the glorie of his name And as Samuel assured the Israelits being in great distresse and feare that the Lord would not forsake them for his great names sake c. so the Ministers before silenced 1 Sam. 12.22 and still in great distresse doe hope they may now plead for the free course of the Gospel and for comfort and to be made glad according to all the dayes wherein they haue beene afflicted Psal 90.15 for the greater honor of all the States of Parliament and for the greater glory of his gracious Maiestie it selfe As hitherto in the same priuiledge whereby other subiects preferre their complaints and causes to the High and most Honorable Court of Parliament I haue exhibited the former arguments for the enlargement both of the Gospel it selfe and of the Ministers thereof hitherto molested and like daily so to be vnto the graue and wise consideration of your sayd Court so now I will be bold vpon the same freedome and libertie of other subiects to exhibit also some other things to your sayd Court which much likewise concerne Gods glory and the common good both of Church and Common-wealth within his Maiesties Kingdomes First therefore I will beginne with Papists to shew some reasons for the better suppressing or conuerting of them Reasons for suppressing or conuerting of Papists as hauing mentioned them before Now because they are of diuers stamps some plaine Recusants and some Church Papists some obstinat some ignorant and such as are Papists rather to please some other then of any conscience May is please your Honorable Court to consider of all these accordingly Open Recusants and Church Papists are not much vnlike one to another Psal 55.20 21. Prou. 26.18 23.24.15 2 Sam. 3.27 and 20.10 Mat. 26 49 Luk. 22.47 48. Ier. 41.2 Only as a secret enimie is more dangerous then an open one as is manifest by diuers sentēces and examples of the Scripture Abner and Amasa being both vnawares slaine by a false kisse of Ioab as also our Sauiour by the like of Iudas and Gedaliah with all his companie being put to the sword by the pretended friendship of Ishmael As I say secret enemies are more dangerous then open so are Church Papists more dangerous then open Recusants because vnder colour of comming to Church they are more hardly discerned Notwithstanding they that are wise may know them How secret Papists may be knowne First by being from Recusants suddenly conuerted to come to our Churches and exercises of Religion because the kingdome of God is not like to Ionas his Gourd but to a graine of mustard seed Ionas 4.6 Matth. 13.31 and hauing beene conuerted only by some priuat persuasions or by present or hoped for kindnesses of men c. and not by any publike Ministerie Secondly By their late and slacke comming to the Word and by their loose attention therunto whiles it is preached but spending the time in talking and whispering with other or in reading of prayers or of some Popish Booke For he that is of God heareth Gods Word Ioh. 8.47 1 Pet. 2.2 he that is borne againe desireth the sincere Milke of the Word Thirdly By their priuat speeches eyther for Poperie or against the truth or the louers of it as some of the Ephraimits were knowen not to be Gileadits by their tongues Fourthly Iudg. 12.6 By their Farmers and Seruants and companie For Noscitur ex comite qui non cognoscitur ex se and birds of a feather will flye togeather Fifthly By their coldnesse in speaking or doing any thing publikely for the trueth Luk. 7.47 For as to whom a litle is forgiuen he loueth little so to whom much is forgiuen he loueth much Sixthly and lastly if they be great persons By their preferment of Papists to such preferments as are in their power All Papists dangerous All grounded Papists Recusant and other are so much the more dangerous because as Satan by little sinnes preuayleth with men for greater so do they by insinuation into Princes for small matters oftentymes bring their purposes to passe for greater As no humane Lawes also will reclayme Papists without the libertie of the Word so neyther will any clemencie of Princes do them any good without seueritie They can no more liue without treacherie then without eating drinking and breathing Frendshippe doth rather harden then mollifie them These things are manifest by their continuall treasonable practises against our late most Noble Queene and against our present dread Soueraigne as likewise against other Princes in other Countreys The more fauour hath beene shewed them the more they haue lifted vp their heeles against such their fauourers The more that other are for peace and speake thereof Psal 120.7 the more they are for warre Many good Lawes haue beene already made against them and are yet in force But what difference is there betwixt no Lawes at all and no execution of Lawes Little but this that where there is no Lawe there cannot in Iustice be any punishment but where there are Lawes there may be execution when God shall giue the Magistrates hearts so to doe Some of the Lawes alreadie are for death of some offenders in that kind Other are but pecuniarie whether these also are not to be made capitall I leaue to the wisedome of your Court to consider by the expresse Law of God in that behalfe Deut. 13.1 c. Exo. 21.16 Deu. 14.19 and 20.18 and 24.7 against all intisers to Idolatrie as also by other Lawes for death against lesse transgressions both of the First and also of the Second Table And touching that place Deut. 24.7 against men stealers and makers of merchandize of them who do so highly offend in this kinde as Papists that steale men from God from their Soueraignes and make merchandize of their Soules to the Deuil Do they not also rob men of their temporall goods to enrich their Pope and Iesuits whereby the kingdome of darkenesse may be the stronger against all other kings and kingdomes Are not such Papists murderers oftentimes of Princes euen of their owne Religion As also repentance of
Sam. 15.22 1 Kings 2.46 Iosh 7. 2 Sam. 21.1 c. and the doing of such iustice beeing more acceptable to the Lord then sacrifices and the throne of Salomon being then sayd to be established in the hands of Salomon when he had executed iustice euen vpon his brother Adoniiah and vpon Ioab and Shimei Did not Israel also fall before little Aie till iustice was done vpon Achan for his sinne secretly committed And was there not a famine in all Israel till Dauid had granted iustice against seauen sonnes of Saul for his sinne against the Gibeonits which had beene the cause of the sayd three yeares famine How was the Lord displeased with Saul for his mercie to Agag 1. Sam. 15. 1. Kings 20 42. Num. 33.55 Iosh 23.13 Iudg. 2.3 And with Ahab for letting Benhadad a king of another Nation go out of his hands whom he had appointed to die Were not the Canaanites also contrarie to Gods commandement suffered by the Israelites prickes in their Eyes and thornes in their sides O right Honorable I humblie beseech you to consider that the Amalekites withstanding only the Israelites as they were going to the earthly Canaan and the Aramites that oppugned only their outward state and the other before mentioned were not such aduersaries as the Papists be that are all members of the Man of Sinne 2 Thes 2.3 Apoc. 18.20.21 Apoc. 19.1 c. the Child of Perdition who cannot escape that horrible destruction that the Lord hath threatned wherin men and Angels shall reioyce and which are enimies to the euerlasting saluation of all Gods people Seueritie therefore against obstinate Papists is no crueltie but great honor to God and great mercie to our Soueraigne to his Royall Posteritie to all his Kingdomes and to all ignorant Papists themselues Worthy of euerlasting remembrance is the gracious promise of God vnto Iehu for that that he had done to Iezabel and the rest of the house of Ahab and their adherents 2 Kings 10 36. and to all Baals Priests Because thou hast diligently executed that which was right in mine Eyes and hast done to that house of Ahab according to all that was in my heart therefore shall thy sonnes sit on the throne of Israel to the fourth generation O the flourishing state of this Kingdome and the great honor of Queene Elizabeth in all other Kingdomes with her admirable prosperitie that would not vouchsafe a good countenance to any knowne Papists Many curses she had from the Father of Papists at Rome and from his Imps here at home but the same being causelesse came not to passe Prou. 26.2 so did not their practises against her Yea she and her people prospered the better at home and against all forein Enemies Let it not seeme strange right Honourable worthies that I haue beene so plentifull in this argument The insolencie of Papists since the Powder-Treason By the hellish Powder treasons which should haue destroied good and bad that Hell it selfe doth not a man a meere reasonable man much more a man instructed in the Word of God would haue thought that all Poperie and Papists would here and else-where throughout the Christian World as also with the Heathen themselues haue been had in perpetuall detestation and euerlasting execration But it is one of the greatest wonders of the World that euer since Poperie hath the more encreased and that not amongst persons only of low degree but of high and Noble ranke as also that Papists old and new haue been more insolent and lifted vp their hornes higher then euer since the bitter daies of the late bitter Queene Mary as if by the said most diuelish Conspiracie both Poperie and Papists had preuailed with his most excellent Maiestie and won grace and fauour with him the which God forbid that any true hearted Christian and loyall Subiect should euer haue cause to thinke or imagin The former insolencie likewise of the Papists or at least of some of that faction is now growne to that heighth that such true Christians and loyall Subiects as before I mentioned may now feare the companie of any whom they know not either trauelling by the High-way or in any other place Not long since a lustie young gallant of no small place if persons and state may be iudged by Apparell and Attendance falling into companie of a meane man in the way yet of good vnderstanding and religiously affected and by speech finding hint so to be for a while soothed him vp speaking as he spake and commending preaching as he did but at last he vnmasked himselfe and by diuers words shewed himselfe in his colours to be a friend of Poperie and not only an aduersarie but an enemie to the Gospel and of the preaching thereof verie roughly breaking forth into these bloodie words sutable to the bloodie Religion of the Scarlet Whore and saying It were a good deed to sheath my Sword in thy body O right Honourable doe not such things presage some further fore to be breeding Is it not time to looke to such And haue not all well affected to the Gospel to his Maiestie and to his Kingdomes need to pray much and to looke to themselues and to be wise as Serpents and in their trauels and elsewhere to beware of such Crocodils In all the premises for more seueritie against obstinat Recusant Papists Why nothing hath been spoken against toleration especially known to haue Masses in their Houses for the time to come or to goe to Masses else-where I haue spoken nothing against tolleration First Because if the premises shall take place there needeth nothing in that behalfe Secondly Because his Maiestie hath heretofore by the Lord Chancellor then being publiquely and graciously in his Court of Starre-Chamber signified his Princely resolution to the contrarie and that if he knew his Princely Sonne would encline that way he would doe his best endeuour to disinherit him Thirdly Because he hath not long since but euen lately almost caused certaine Diuines to signifie as much in their publique Sermons at Paules-Crosse in London Fourthly and principally Because the same is testified by that most learned and reuerend Bishop now Prelat of the Garter in his learned answer intituled Tortura Torti to a Booke of one that called himselfe Mattheus Tortus who wrot his Booke against the Apologie of our Kings most excellent Maiestie In the end of page 81 and beginning of page 82. In this answer to the said Book of the said pretended M. Tortus the said reuerend and learned Father writeth thus verbatim word for word Nec in eo Regi audiendus quòd consilium dat de Religione liberè habenda Integrum hoc iam illi non est Nam quod eum ea qua decet reuerentia dictum volo non semel periurus sit quin bis si te audiat Qua enim si qua est fidei bis datae conscientia vel conscientia vel fide ferret in regnis suis