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A34950	A journey into the country being a dialogue between an English Protestant physitian and an English papist : wherein the proper state of the popish controversy is discoursed : with reference (only) to the government of England in church and state, in some answer to Peter Walsh, and pursuant to the directions of a person of honor.	Creamer, Charles, b. 1632?	1675 (1675)	Wing C6867; ESTC R24786	31,884	48

better then your excommunicated Fryar can give Pap. I 'le tell you since you and I parted I was thinking of you and of your profession and wondred that you stuck so long on Religion since you are counted Atheists Phy. Perhaps some may count us so for looking into natural Causes and appointing natural Remedies perhaps the Vulgar may count us so because we seldom go to Church the reason of which is manifest from the urgency of our Concerns being on life and death and not to be neglected Pap. Yes truly I have heard the Urgencies are often so great and so many that a man is appointed to come frequently into the Church to call out the Doctor without cause and so he cheats God himself and the whole Congregation Phy. What some men may do I know not this I am sure the worst of us all cheats not so much as the best of your perswasion Pap. I believe I know the reason why some Physitians are so angry with our Religion Phy. I beseech you why are Physitians angry with your Religion more then others while even now they had none Pap. Let their Religion be what it will they will pretend any Religion rather then ours for Pope Greg. 15. anno 1622. prohibited Catholicks to use heretical Physitians Phy. If you have heard of a Book called Religio Medici you will there find good Religion and the Exterior part thereof such as may deserve kindness from a Puritan Papist yet containing himself within the just bounds of an English Protestant Pap. It is that very Book came even now into my mind and I remember he sayes there that he thanked God he did not live in the time of Christ and his Apostles And a witty Animadverter a Roman Catholick I will warrant him said it might be because his practice would have been spoyl'd for Christ and his Apostles cured gratis and On my Conscience that makes your Profession so angry with our Religion Phy. Pray are Papists so charitable as to cure for nothing I 'me sure I know some Physitians of that perswasion who take as much money as they can get Pap. All Catholicks are not of one mind but I remember you talk'd much of your Records and I 'me sure we have better Records of more good done by the Physick of the Church then by the Physicks of your Colledge and Universities Phy. The Physick of the Church I thought England had now been Master of all the Methods and Systems of Physick extant yet among them I have not met with the Physick of the Church Pap. It is a curing after the Hermitical way Phy. Hermetical I have read Hermes Trismegistus that excellent Philosopher and I think am acquainted with all Medicines and Recipe's Hermetical Empirical and Chymical Pap. Sir you mistake me I confess that the Science of Physick in all Rules of Art is more refined in England then was ever before but I say not Hermetical but Hermitical Phy. Pray unfold your self Pap. Why there 's it now The unfolding of this Notion Hermitical will make you understand the Physick of the Church Phy. Oh! I think I take it now You mean some found out in the Cloysters which you call Church Physick Pap. I do so and the use of the Physick would break Doctors Apothecaries and Chirurgeons Phy. Pray tell 's some of it Pap. Some of it why I could entertain you from hence to London with it Phy. Come faith we have been serious long enough now make me merry Pap. Hold ye there I 'me better appointed then to sport with things sacred yet what I shall tell you may occasion a religious mirth were you rightly disposed Phy. Sir I can demean my self answerable to any Entertainment and shall frame my self to your Conversation pray begin Pap. Sir I can tell you how to cure Child-bed Griefs by praying to St. Marquerite how St. Marus Bishop of Tryers cures Palseys and Convulsions St. Nicholas cures dangers at Sea St. Venisa Green-sicknesses and Womens Diseases St. Lucy Unchastity and which is remarkable St. Cosma and St. Damian both Physitians cure all Diseases gratis and purely upon humble request And St. Appollonia being pray'd unto cures the Tooth-ach which never a Doctor can do and I doubt not but when St. Austin said he was cured of the Tooth-ach by prayers it was by praying to this Saint And the Arm of St. David cures the Plague without the help of Doctor Hodge's book And if I should tell you all I could especially of the three Kings of Collen viz. St. Jasper St. Melchior and St. Balthasar you would wonder Phy. I might wonder indeed and so I did when I read the late Book called Reflections on the Romish Devotions and I wondred again and again that rational men in any Age much less in this Age and in this Climate where Learning and Knowledge is so much refined improved and sublimed should so night-mare their Vitalities with a rudis indigestaque moles of ridiculous Trash and suffer themselves to be blind-folded waving their proper Conduct of Reason and following they know not whom they know not how they know not whither especially in their Devotions And therefore Sir you may forbear your Hermitical Dispensatory for I am weary of that and of my Journey too therefore let 's hasten Pap. Sir I could in a short Discourse sufficiently make good the Devotions of our Church to the Saints and enough to convince any rational man Phy. Truly Sir I must confess you may tell a great many pretty Tales that might cozen my thoughts of the badness of the wayes and the uneasiness of my horse may be so far acceptable but my Judgment will be no way moved to think them so much as probably true And Sir the Saints to whom those pretended Miracles are by your Church ascribed are all of antient time and I hear not of any modern Saints that are endowed with such powers So that it should seem your Church has been of late very barren of Saints or else your Saints have been very lazy and I wonder that the Reliques of no late Pope Saints are found Pap. As to that Sir I must confess that these Saints I have mentioned lived and were famous under the Government of the Catholick Bishop of Old Rome and since that the Christian Faith is setled there is no need of extraordinary ways Phy. But you know many of the other were not for great ends but tryals of skill and now is more need to believe then ever But why Old Rome I hope you do not mean Pagan Rome Pap. No I mean old Christian Rome when Christianity was first planted there Phy. You do well to appoint them to Ages so long ago that the truth cannot be inquired into and I will tell you my Conceit how these Fables first came up The Heathens being guilty of Idolatry worshipping stocks stones Images imaginary Deities and Devils the ignorant Christians in those dark times to draw them into the Christian Religion by

Peace of the Nation provided ye by the same Oath declared that the Pope could not dispense therewith And if the Pope himself would also declare so That would certainly conduce to make your true Roman Catholick a true English man and until both be so done I cannot promise security to the peace of the Nation But I pray why are you so in love with the Romish Liturgy and Worship that you vvould have it established here Pap. For these Reasons 1. For that it is for the Honour of the Christian Religion that the same way of Worship might be observed in all Christian Churches 2. For that the vvay of the Romish Worship has been used in all Christian Ages and in all Christian Kingdoms and Places till of late and is still used in some Kingdoms where the Popes Jurisdiction is not allowed Phy. Sir as to your first reason I agree it would be exceedingly for the Honour of the Christian Religion if such Harmony and Agreement could be used in religious Worship as that one God might be worshipped in one way but as that never was so I fear never will be till all things be no more As to your second reason I deny that the Romish Worship as now is used was in any Christian Age or Kingdom used for above five hundred years after Christianity came into the world nor do your true English Roman Catholicks as you call them now agree with any other Christian Kingdom Church or Place vvhatsoever if they belie not themselves Pap. Well it has been so long used and with so general a Consent and Approbation as may well Intitle it to a preference to this new upstart way of Worship which this Nation has had not above 100 Years Phy. As to the Argument of Antiquity and long Usage It may be good in cases of Politick and Civil rights and Interests and become determinative provided it be not against positive Laws natural Equity or reason And in these Exterior parts of Religion it can obtain no more For a way of worship repugnant to the positive Law declared in Scripture or repugnant to the positive Law of the supreme Magistrate ought not to be exercised by any Subject living under the protection of that Supream Magistrate without sin and breach of Allegiance And Sir I must tell you further that this Notion of Antiquity though of great veneration in it self yet has been often used to the disadvantage of truth and made a Stale to dangerous mistakes and corrupt purposes You know who was reproved for not walking after the Traditions of the Elders 7. Mat. 5. and who were so zealous for the Traditions of the Fathers 1. Gal. 14. Against whose Arguments of Antiquity it was only opposed search the Scriptures 5. John 39. and you may see 17 Acts 19. who scoff'd at the new Doctrine as you at this new upstart way of Worship though indeed elder to yours So the Antiquity barely as such is no Argument for one or against another or that the more ancient as such is to be preferred before the late but again I say search and try vvhich is the best and adhere to that for the Improvement of your own not another mans Talent must enrich you Pap. This despising of things antient and entertaining of things Novel in Religion has not only made a lamentable breach in the Catholick Church but this Nation more particularly and dolefully has felt the direful Effects thereof in your Divisions and Subdivisions in the matters of Religion and the vvayes of religious Worship witness all your Sects and Dissentions that have lately over-run the Nation Phy. As this Objection is of some standing so it 's nere the better nor stronger for it for new Answers have fully confounded it as vvell to the reason of the thing as to a returning it vvith abundant additions on the Romish Church vvherein are many more Divisions Sects and Dissention then in ours as Doctor Stillingfleet has learnedly and faithfully made out in one Chapter of his Book against Idolatry c. Pap. Pray then tell me a reason why may not I or another so perswaded with good conscience use the Romish Way of Worship and Devotion and not the English Way of Worship if I allow the Kings Supremacy and disallow the Popes Phy. Laying aside the reasons urged against the irrationality foppish feigned Superstition Incredibility and Idolatry at large discoursed by Dr. Stillingfleet in his Book against their Idolatry and Fanaticism and it's Vindication a Book called Reflections on the Romish Devotions another the Triumphs of Rome over despised Protestancy two others viz. the Funeral of the Mass and the depth and mystery of the Mass vvhich I vvish you to read and others I 'le tell you another reason viz. because the King has commanded the contrary Pap. Why can the Kings Command bind me in my vvay of Worship is it not sufficient if I disown the Pope Phy. You disown the Pope only by half yet such disowning may be well done and if we could be assured it was well done might give some Security to the King against Forreign Civil Pretenders but still you give him no Security for perfect Obedience as a true English man and against breach of the peace of the Church if you conform not to his lawful Commands in his waies of Worship Pap. Pray how come the King to have power to impose a way of Worship according to his own Will Phy. The King has as much Power to impose a way of Worship here as the Pope has in his Dominions but neither has Power to impose a way of Worship absolutely according to his own VVill. Pap. What has the King Power to impose a Way of Worship and yet not according to his own Will pray according to whose Will does he so impose c. Phy. He imposes it according to the Will of God Pap. How can that be for the Protestants say that no Way of Worship is expresly appointed in Scripture and they allow no Revelations to holy men to be credited Phy. This is the rule they go by whatsoever in Religion is not of the essence of Christian Religion intituled by our Saviour himself or declared or advised to be practised by the Apostles is lawfully looked on as Religion of State in that it may be altered or improved or abolished by the Soveraign power for the better Advancement of those ends which are essential the same power may remove Errors Inconveniences Scandals and abuses therein and of that Nature is the way of Worship and so within the Power of the King The King has no Power over the kernel but over the shell he has and by his Soveraign power that is preserved inviolate Pap. Well but if he has such power why could he not keep the Old shell but make a New one Phy. Our King has not made a New shell to keep the Old kernel in but he has amended the Old shell for the better preservation of the Old kernel