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occasion_n of_o the_o dissension_n iv_o it_o appear_v that_o the_o primitive_a church_n at_o their_o first_o constitution_n by_o the_o apostle_n be_v not_o independent_a body_n in_o a_o special_a respect_n more_o than_o any_o in_o our_o time_n because_o they_o be_v then_o subject_a to_o the_o extraordinary_a government_n by_o apostle_n and_o evangelist_n who_o beside_o that_o which_o they_o do_v in_o ordinary_a course_n of_o judgement_n with_o the_o church_n concurrence_n as_o 1._o cor._n 5._o have_v also_o of_o themselves_o extraordinary_a authority_n and_o power_n grant_v unto_o they_o over_o all_o church_n for_o the_o correct_v of_o the_o wicked_a therein_o as_o appear_v 1._o cor._n 4.21_o 2._o cor._n 10.2_o 3_o 6_o 8_o 10._o act._n 5.9_o 10._o 3._o joh._n 10._o reas._n ix_o 77._o ix_o churc_n plea_n p._n 77._o by_o the_o title_n give_v to_o all_o particular_a congregation_n it_o appear_v evident_o that_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n be_v or_o at_o least_o ought_v to_o be_v in_o 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