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A59957	William Penn and the Quaker in unity, the Anabaptist mistaken and in enmity, or, A brief reply to a sheet sent abroad by Jeremy Ives, entituled, William Penn's confutation of a Quaker, or, An answer to a late libel William Shewen.	Shewen, William, 1631?-1695.	1674 (1674)	Wing S3427; ESTC R5116	7,090	12

William Penn AND THE QUAKER IN UNITY THE Anabaptist Mistaken AND IN ENMITY OR A Brief Reply to a Sheet sent abroad by JEREMY IVES Entituled William Penn's Confutation of a Quaker or An Answer to a late Libel William Shewen Printed in the Year 1674. William Penn and the Quaker IN UNITY c. TO pass by his Recital of his former Goliah li●e Challenge which he falsly calls A Sober Request in the Front of this Sheet enough being said to it already by several Pens I proceed to consider what follows And I quickly find him under Grand Mistakes or Wilful Ignorance First In calling my Return to his Scandalous Paper a Libel because but the two principal Letters of my Name were at it in this he deals not fairly because he might have known my Name for asking of the Person that gave him one of the Papers into his Hand and so might several of his Brethren also But further those Writings or Printed Papers where the two real Letters of the Author's Name is affixed are not to be called nor accounted Libels especially when the Name may be known for asking Besides Reader Jeremy hath contradicted and bewrayed himself in this very Sheet of his as is manifest by comparing Paragraph the 6th with the 2d in the one he saith He knoweth not who W. S. is In the other he saith so much as may signifie he doth know his words are thus Some of those Opinions of mine which in HIS PAPER AND BOOK entituled The Universallity of the Light Asserted he calls Absurd and Ridiculous Now my Name was at large to the Book and W. S. to this Paper and he himself calls them both mine so it s evident he was not ignorant of my Name or if he was it was Wilful Ignorance only he seems minded to make himself Sport in a Mountebank manner and to set it up for a Libel and to bring William Penn's words against a real Libel to fight with it in this he hath imitated his Brother Hicks who formed and fashioned a Quaker and his Opinions and then Dialogued with him which is one of the greatest Abuses among men to present things contrary to what indeed they are the practice of an arrant impostor Now as Writings are accounted no Libels where the two Letters of the Authors Name is affixed so it doth not always follow that where a Name is at large to Books or Writings that it is the Authors Name for about the same time this Scandalous Paper of Jer. Jves's came abroad Richard Baxter in a printed Sheet warns People of two printed Papers under his Name at large which he was not the Author of so this Jer. Ives hath no ground to Carp and Jeer at my cautious Writing and putting in these Words Said to be within a Parenthesis for I say again if I had not had some other Reasons besides his Name twice affixe I might have endeavoured to have known it from himself without deserving to be charged with Impertinency Guile or Blame and he and the rest of his Brothren would shew themselves more like Christians if they would manifest the like Care and Circumspection in what they father upon the Quakers And now I would have the Reader clearly understand that William Penn's Answer which Jeremy espouses and speaks in against me was not to such a Sort of Paper where the two Letters of the Authors Name was affixt and might have been known son asking he sought and enquired and could not learn it neither would the Baptist in whose Favour it seemed to be published own it nor discover the Author therefore this Jeremy hath very fouly and evilly applyed his Words and hath put this Case in its stead without the like Reason or Ground herein he hath dealt more like a Forger then a fair Adversary and were he of a tender Spirit and his Conscience rightly informed I would appeal unto him to answer whether he is not conscious of his Guilt herein I do tell him and the World that I had no Design to conceal my Name though W. S. was only in the Copy yet I gave the Printer express Order to put my Name at length though he omitted it for which I blamed him It might have prevented Jeremy of a colourable Pretence for the chiefest Matter in his Answer But however the World cannot see nor truly say as he falsly insinuates That the Quakers allow Nameless Libels to blast their Adversaries and he hath no Proof for it being never their Practice Now Reader the Cause of the Quakers remains the same still it concerns them to insist upon their Charge against T. H and all that abet him in his Fictitious Forged Dialogues wherein he hath evilly presented them and their Principles to the Nation Now if this Jeremy who was deputed to be one of the three or four on the Baptists Part at Barbican will appear in the stead of T. H. c. and answer to their Charge of Forgery c. they will be ready to meet him publickly as Time and Place shall be agreed upon but as single Jeremy they have no Reason to regard his daring interposing Challenge till they are heard concerning T. H. from his first Dialogue to the Book entituled The Quakers Appeal answered or till T. H. confesseth and acknowledgeth his Folly and Vnchristian Behaviour towards them In my Return to his Scandalous Paper I said I did not count it worth my Time to write or discourse with him about Matters relating to the pure Christian Religion barely as J. I. and that as so he was not worth disputing with and I make the same Account still and say the same again and W. Penn hath not contradicted me therein in saying at the Barbican-Meeting About the Beginning of his Discourse with him he had found him a pretty fair Adversary which had chiefly Relation to the Experience he had of him nigh two Years before at Wickam at which Time he behaved himself more fairly then of late and W. P. might expect the like then and say ' He was as free to dispute with him as any But my Saying is since Barbican and Wheeler-Street-Meeting occasioned by my Observation both of the Matter and Manner of his Discourse and unsavory Behaviour and since his vapouring unchristian Challenge came to Light and his manifesting himself a Confederate with T. H. to rescue him in his Forgeries c. And though W. P. said so then yet since he hath given him occasion enough to be of my Mind now he having verified that Saying in Scripture EVIL MEN AND SEDUCERS WAX WORSE AND WORSE And if he understands himself commended by W. R. for a Conscientious tender-hearted Zealous Disputer who hath the Glory of God the Good of Souls and the Prosperity of the Christian Religion chiefly in his Eye in what he undertakes he very grosly mistakes himself and abuseth him as he may plainly see in his last Sheet in Answer to his Sober Request c. Now it is because he

is not such an one and professeth Christianity and the Office of a Minister thereof and talks of God's Assistance in a Work he never set him about that I and W. P. also slight single Jeremy and count him not worth disputing with I said also in my Return That his Tongue as the Proverb goes is no Slander with many grave Citizens and moderate People who walk not with the Quakers and he need not doubt but that I am of the same Mind and think so still and yet not basely contradict my self in saying I never met with more Untruths in so few Lines as in his Paper and to call them Slanderous Sayings Lyes and gross Abuses though I use the Proverb is no Contradiction for though many grave Citizens c. do know his Tongue not sufficient to fasten a Slander upon a Person or People and that his Reputation as a Christian is little accounted of by many that know him and that what proceeds from him is not sufficient to stain or defile the Reputation of others especially as Christians yet it doth not follow but that his Lyes are Lyes and his slanderous Sayings are slanderous Sayings and his gross Abuses are so in themselves and may be called so and some that are not grave Citizens and moderate People who know not him may be traduced by them and deceived so far as to believe them to be true to prevent which is the Occasion of those Lines And further I perceive Jeremy thinks it hard that I should say in my late Return c. That in my Judgment he was fitter to appear pear upon a Mountebanck's Stage then in a solemn Religious Christian Assembly to dispute for Christianity And he seems offended also that I say Christianity needs no Mercenary Agents to propagate its Cause nor the corrupt Weapons of a Sophister to defend it Verily I do seriously tell Jeremy I should be glad to see Cause to alter my Judgment as to the first the second no Judicious Christian will deny but whether he be the Man I leave at present upon his own Conscience further to consider and do truly tell him he extreamly mistakes me in charging me with Malice and Railing Accusation and end avours to blow up his Reputation and blast his Credit I have so much Love to him that I heartily wish he had much more of both then he hath that he might be a greater Ornament to his Profession and honour that Christianity he in Words professeth I have no Malice in my Mind towards him nor no Man upon the Face of the Earth it 's inconsistant with the Nature of Christianity I would have him read over my Lines again and consider them better and if his Day of Visitation be not quite over I desire he may come to witness that Infallible Evidence of a true Christian within himself which no Impostor can give viz. The Spirit it self bearing Witness with his Spirit that he is a Child of God c. he will have more Cause to rejoyce and glory in this then in the Strength of his Arguments and Sophistical Reasoning This sore Evil is near this Man to be quick sighted abroad and blind at home and to measure others by his own State and private Spirit censure others for his own Faults which he is manifestly guilty of in his Sober Request to be sure he hath shewed little civil Education neither hath he and some of his Brethren refrained from any Means to endeavour to blow up the Quakers Reputation in the highest Concern even as Christians Now as so I do not find by Converse among Men that he himself hath much to blow up or much Credit to blast either among the Baptists or others some refusing to read any Book or Paper about Religion wherein he is concerned for my Part I say truly I write it more with Sorrow and Grief of Heart then with Delight to upbraid him that he who hath been not only a long Professor of Christianity but also a pretended Minister of it should have so little of either And he needs not question the goodness of the Quakers Cause nor the truth of Immediate Inspiration which they are Witnesses of notwithstanding he seems to jeer at it because they count themselves no whit oblieg'd to meet him upon his own daring Challenge for as the Controversie now stands they judge it a meer Evasion and wholy Impertinent to the Cause depending betwixt them and the Baptist and every Impartial Observer of the whole Series of the Matter will readily be perswaded so to conclude They have not been nor are not backward to give a Reason of their Faith and an Account of their Religion with Meekness and Fear to every one that in Honesty and Seriousness of Spirit asketh them but some Scribes Pharisees and Hypocrites may ask Ensnaring Questions in Enmity and Prejudice which no true Christian is oblieged to answer in their Way Will and Time and have good Example for it in the holy Scriptures And they have been and are willing to use all Means to remove Ignorance and Foolishness out of the Hearts of all Men that they may come to Repentance and Acknowledgment of the Truth and be saved and have not behaved themselves as a People of lofty disdaining Tempers as thou falsly suggestest but with Meekness have endeavoured to instruct those that oppose themselves and dispute and reason with them though they were not the Mouth of a Party c. But what if they count Jeremy for divers Reasons not worth disputing with seeing he will not be satisfied without I will tell him one of my chiefest Reasons which is because it appears to me that he hath lost Tendernese of Heart Sensibleness of Spirit Consciencious Zeal and Circumspectiveness which I question not but he had a Measure of in the Infancy of his Religion or the Day of the Visitation of God's Love which he was once Partaker of But now he is become as the Sale which hath lost its Savour and all his Treasury of acquired Attainment is but as the Old Manna which had Worms in it and stank and is now as the deaf Adder which will not hear the Voice of the Charmer c. and till he better demonstrate himself a Christian in Life Doctrine and Practice and layes aside his Crafty Acquired Artificial Sophistical Way of Reasoning by which he deceives the Ignorant and shew forth his Repentance from dead work I shall remain of the same Mind and in the mean Time desire him to take Notice of the Advice of W. Penn in his last Sheet in Answer to his pretended Sober Request viz. That he give better Evidence of his own Christianity before he endeavour to unchristian others And to help him herein I also counsel him to take the Advice of his Brother W. L. in his Letter to him after Barbican-Meeting 12. Octob. 74. and consider his late Book also which is not to be counted a Libel though but W. L. affixt to it Now

if he will not take the Counsel of his Friends nor of those he counts his Enemies it argues he is not endued with that Wisdom which is from above which inclines those that have it to be easily entreated to that which is good And seeing he hath taken Pains to set forth some of his Opinions divulged in croyden-market-Croyden-Market-Place and hath omitted the rest I think it necessary to insert them all as in the Book which are as followeth THe same Body that is now the Habitation of the Soul and Spirit shall rise again and enter with the Soul united into everlasting Joy or Torment It may be in the great Day of Judgment God may receive the Heathen to Glory but it is more then they know whether he will or no For those People that have not the Scriptures among them in common have no Knowledge of their future Estate All the Light in men could never reach them discover or reveal unto them That Christ was born of a Virgin and that he suffered c. It may tell them that Blasphemy and Drunkenness c. is Sin but could never tell that God would save them I do deny that every man is lighted with the Light of Christ for the Scripture saith That many are in Darkness and stumble because there is no Light in them That the Light which lighteth every man is not the Light of Christ yet it is a Divine Light There is a Natural Light in all men which may shew them Sin and this Natural Light is Divine for every Gift of God is perfect therefore Divine Men may sin out all Sense of Sin and become Darkness and have no Light in them The Sun may shine and some men may shut their Eyes and will not see it and some are blind and cannot see it Are they therefore enlightned by it So likewise c. I will stick by the present Translation of the New Testament which was effected by Twenty or Thirty Learned Wise Men by the King's Authority and if I understood Greek never so well it would be unmannerly to contradict them The Light that is come into the World was designed of God to enlighten every man but Thousands are not enlightened by it George Whitehead and William Gibson are not enlightened with he Light of Christ though I grant that there is a Light an every man which is Divine yet not the Light of Christ I deny that the Light of God is one with the Light of Christ the Father and Son are Relatives but not one the Light of the Father Son and Spirit are Divine but not one That which is Divine in God becomes Natural when given to men Some in the World are without Christ therefore some in the World are without the Light of Christ Some of these he saith are laid broakenly down not in his Words he knows I sent him a Copy of them before they were printed why would he not tell me so before now His saying so now signifies little if I had noted them wrong he shewed a lofty disdainful Temper that he would not shew me wherein in its Season his saying so now ought not to be regarded They are all spoken briefly to in the Book aforesaid and the Absurdness and Ridiculousness of many of them is obvious to every Judicious Impartial Reader to which I refer the Title of the Book is The Vniversality of the Light asserted and to be had at several Shops in and about London Now since his being at Croyden where he spent some time in Opposing that word Inlighteneth in the first of John Verse the 9th contending against our Friends saying That Christ Inlightens every Man c. in a Book of his printed in the year 1656. Title Innocency above Impudency pag. 16. viz. My Book call'd Quakers Quaking pag. 49. viz. I have these Words I did not oppose the saying of John which is That Christ Inlightene every One that comes into the World so if I had met with it timely it would have saved me that labour of setting before him at the end of my Book if he would have believed himself how that Verse is read in divers Natural Tongues But to proceed to the Conclusion with Jeremy at present he saith He doth once more signifie in the Behalf of all Christians generally and of the Baptists in particular offer to prove the Quakers No Christians and their Ministers Impostors I only in short say thus much That the Generallity of Christians hath not imployed him as their Agent if they should their Cause would be at a low Ebb and for ought I understand T. H. and the Baptists in particular deny and disown their Delegating of him though he pretended they had at Wheeler-street-Meeting So for what I see he would sam be a Volunteer Reformado or Mer enary and gives himself out to be such ready to do the work thereof before he is listed This shews he has a Giddy Head and a Strong Conceit and would be doing something which no Christian will thank him for Indeed Jeremy I advise thee as before to take William Penn's Counsel and prove thy self a Christian first and let thy Life and Conversation preach as loud as thy Tongue or else besilent for the future Now if the Quvkers cannot prevail with the Baptist to have a Publick Meeting wherein to prove their Charge against Thomas Hicks and those that joyn with him in his Ficctious Dialogues People may clearly perceive they are not able to abide the Test Therefore now further let this Jeremy T. Hickr and the rest agree together to give a Description of that Christian and Christian Preacher in all his Parts Qualifications Doctrines Practices and Obedience which they charge the Quaker to be none of And in the first Place prove and demonstrate themselves such and they and the World may receive an Answer thereto and so leave all to the Consciences of the Judicious and all People whose-Profit Information Edification the Quakers desire with all their Hearts which may be a Means to bring some Issue to what of late hath past between both William Shewen Southwark the 9th of the 9th Month 1674. THE END