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prnounce_v that_o saint_n be_v to_o be_v invocate_v for_o thus_o he_o say_v ad_fw-la haec_fw-la nos_fw-la open_a divina_fw-la respondemus_fw-la invocandos_fw-la esse_fw-la sauctos_fw-la quod_fw-la ipsi_fw-la etiam_fw-la auxiliari_fw-la pessint_fw-la and_o he_o add_v after_o ward_n nec_fw-la id_fw-la faciunt_fw-la solum_fw-la vivi_fw-la sed_fw-la etiam_fw-la mortui_fw-la and_o a_o little_a low_o he_o subjoin_v inuocatione_n sanctorum_fw-la daemon_n abiguntur_fw-la morbi_fw-la fugantur_fw-la tentationes_fw-la tolluntur_fw-la etc._n etc._n also_o page_n 244._o honorandi_fw-la igitur_fw-la sunt_fw-la sancti_fw-la tanquam_fw-la amici_fw-la dei_fw-la in_o like_a manner_n touch_v the_o image_n of_o saint_n he_o further_o add_v a_o nobis_fw-la etiam_fw-la imaginibus_fw-la ipsorum_fw-la reverentium_fw-la exhiberi_fw-la aut_fw-la adorari_fw-la nemo_fw-la reprehendit_fw-la etc._n etc._n that_o be_v none_o of_o we_o reprehend_v that_o reverence_n or_o adoration_n be_v exhibit_v to_o their_o image_n mean_v of_o the_o saint_n and_o in_o the_o page_n follow_v he_o say_v in_o this_o manner_n at_o inquit_fw-la aliquis_fw-la deus_fw-la dixit_fw-la deum_fw-la tuum_fw-la adorabis_fw-la &_o illi_fw-la soli_fw-la seruies_fw-la &_o non_fw-la facies_fw-la ullam_fw-la similitudinem_fw-la he_o anser_v thus_o est_fw-la vero_fw-la ita_fw-la sunt_fw-la hoec_fw-la lege_fw-la divina_fw-la sancita_fw-la verumtamen_fw-la qui_fw-la hoc_fw-la praecipit_fw-la deus_fw-la idem_fw-la docet_fw-la nos_fw-la in_o deuteronomio_fw-la non_fw-la adorabis_fw-la ipsa_fw-la non_fw-la seruies_fw-la and_o page_n 254._o so_o he_o speak_v ut_fw-la igitur_fw-la qui_fw-la non_fw-la honorat_fw-la filium_fw-la ut_fw-la ait_fw-la dominus_fw-la non_fw-la honorat_fw-la patrem_fw-la sic_fw-la qui_fw-la non_fw-la honorat_fw-la imaginem_fw-la nec_fw-la illum_fw-la quem_fw-la imago_fw-la refert_fw-la honorat_fw-la and_o in_o the_o same_o page_n qui_fw-la non_fw-la adorat_fw-la crucem_fw-la eum_fw-la nequidem_fw-la dominum_fw-la crucifixum_fw-la adorare_fw-la iustum_fw-la est_fw-la non_fw-la quidem_fw-la certe_fw-la naturam_fw-la ligni_fw-la etc._n etc._n sed_fw-la memoriam_fw-la &_o picturam_fw-la perpessorum_fw-la etc._n etc._n final_o of_o merit_n he_o say_v thus_o haec_fw-la &_o similia_fw-la sunt_fw-la ob_fw-la quae_fw-la homo_fw-la regno_fw-la coelesti_fw-la dignus_fw-la habetur_fw-la that_o be_v these_o &_o the_o like_a be_v these_o thing_n for_o which_o a_o man_n be_v hold_v worthy_a of_o the_o celestial_a kingdom_n thus_o much_o touch_v the_o abuse_n of_o the_o grecian_a patriarch_n by_o sir_n humphrey_n but_o one_o of_o the_o gross_a error_n that_o i_o find_v commit_v by_o our_o adversary_n in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o latinist_n or_o romanist_n be_v in_o his_o page_n 234._o where_o he_o have_v these_o word_n other_o as_o namely_o antisiodorensis_n &_o biel_n teach_v that_o neither_o the_o saint_n pray_v for_o we_o neither_o be_v we_o to_o pray_v to_o they_o thus_o sir_n humphrey_n 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sacrament_n and_o put_v it_o in_o the_o last_o place_n for_o one_o of_o the_o seven_o and_o these_o be_v his_o word_n in_o their_o several_a place_n note_v in_o the_o margin_n 3._o tenendun_v est_fw-fr absolute_a quod_fw-la matrimonium_fw-la est_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la quia_fw-la hoc_fw-la determinavit_fw-la eccle._n in_o 4._o d._n 26._o q._n 3._o 6._o et_fw-la ita_fw-la sunt_fw-la inuniverso_fw-la septem_fw-la sacramenta_fw-la idem_fw-la d._n 2._o q._n 2._o n._n 6._o to_o which_o if_o we_o add_v that_o which_o capreolus_n do_v testify_v of_o the_o same_o durand_n all_o doubt_n of_o his_o true_a meaning_n in_o this_o point_n will_v quite_o vanish_v away_o §._o coactus_fw-la fuit_fw-la in_o ultimo_fw-la opere_fw-la cautius_fw-la loqui_fw-la ut_fw-la scilicet_fw-la confiteretur_fw-la matrimonium_fw-la esse_fw-la veer_fw-la &_o proprie_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la sed_fw-la non_fw-la univoce_fw-la cum_fw-la alijs_fw-la novae_fw-la legis_fw-la sacramentis_fw-la etc._n etc._n capreolus_n in_o 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intention_n of_o the_o minister_n in_o administration_n of_o sacrament_n they_o be_v so_o ignorant_a &_o sotish_a as_o i_o be_o ashamed_a to_o rehearse_v they_o for_o example_n when_o he_o say_v that_o if_o the_o priest_n fail_v in_o his_o intention_n at_o the_o time_n of_o solemnisation_n of_o matrimony_n the_o marry_a people_n live_v all_o their_o day_n in_o adultery_n or_o fornication_n which_o be_v a_o most_o gross_a error_n in_o the_o knight_n for_o that_o the_o romanist_n &_o the_o reformer_n agree_v in_o this_o that_o although_o matrimony_n be_v no_o sacrament_n &_o consequent_o that_o the_o marry_a people_n shall_v not_o receive_v it_o as_o a_o sacrament_n yet_o be_v it_o sufficient_a to_o free_v they_o from_o adultery_n in_o regard_n they_o receive_v it_o at_o the_o least_o as_o a_o civil_a contract_n whatsoever_o the_o priest_n intention_n be_v and_o if_o it_o be_v not_o so_o certain_o all_o sectary_n of_o this_o time_n &_o particularilie_o sir_n humphrey_n himself_o for_o one_o shall_v live_v perpetuallie_o in_o that_o damnable_a state_n of_o adultery_n which_o he_o mention_v and_o yet_o this_o sequel_n i_o be_o sure_a it_o import_v he_o to_o deny_v as_o earnest_o as_o he_o can_v if_o it_o be_v but_o only_o for_o the_o conservation_n of_o his_o own_o &_o his_o wife_n honour_n and_o the_o like_a foolish_a &_o false_a inference_n he_o make_v about_o all_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o sacrament_n as_o also_o about_o the_o succession_n of_o the_o pope_n &_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n as_o if_o by_o the_o confession_n of_o romanist_n themselves_o there_o be_v no_o certainty_n in_o any_o of_o they_o whereas_o yet_o he_o himself_o cit_v bellarmin_n in_o this_o very_a place_n as_o teach_v that_o in_o all_o these_o thing_n there_o be_v at_o least_o moral_a &_o sufficient_a certainty_n of_o their_o real_a existence_n &_o truth_n 28._o certitudine_fw-la autem_fw-la moralem_fw-la &_o humanam_fw-la quae_fw-la sufficit_fw-la &_o ut_fw-la homo_fw-la quiescat_fw-la 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