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A07038	Oh read ouer D. Iohn Bridges, for it is worthy worke: or an epitome of the fyrste booke, of that right worshipfull volume, written against the puritanes, in the defence of the noble cleargie, by as worshipfull a prieste, Iohn Bridges, presbyter, priest or elder, doctor of Diuillitie, and Deane of Sarum Wherein the arguments of the puritans are wisely prevented, that when they come to answere M. Doctor, they must needes say some thing that hath bene spoken. Compiled for the behoofe and overthrow of the vnpreaching parsons, fyckers, and currats, that haue lernt their catechismes, and are past grace: by the reverend and worthie Martin Marprelat gentleman, and dedicated by a second epistle to the terrible priests. In this epitome, the foresaide fickers, [et]c. are very insufficiently furnished, with notable inabilitie of most vincible reasons, to answere the cauill of the puritanes. ...; Oh read over D. John Bridges. Epitome	Marprelate, Martin, pseud.; Throckmorton, Job, 1545-1601, attributed name.; Penry, John, 1559-1593, attributed name.	1588 (1588)	STC 17454; ESTC S112311	32,960	52

as are not prescribed in the word as things necessarie to saluation be they ciuill or ecclesiasticall bee onely foulded vp within those that are prescribed and to make them as things expedient to edification order and comelines for obedience sake although they be none of those things that appertaine to any necessity of our saluatiō or to any absolute necessity of our obedience But such is the Church gouernement as it is not prescribed in the word as necessarie to saluation or of any absolute necessity of our obedience Therfore it is sufficient that the Church gouernment be onely foulded vp within the things prescribed in the worde and be of the nature of the thinges that onely belong to edification order and comlines I was neuer so affraid in my life that I shoulde not come to an end till I had bene windlesse Do you not see how I pant Our brethren now are to come to their answere Concerning necessarie to saluation then say they we woulde knowe brother Bridges thrise learned brother Bridges we woulde know what you meane whether such a necessitie as without which men cannot bee saued I meane euen the same sayth M. deane as it appeareth page 60. line 21.22 of my booke then we replie that nothing is of this necessity but only iustifieng faith and we denie the sacraments to be of this necessitie For the theefe on the gallowes was saued without them And we thinke moreouer that your impietie and ignorance M. deane to be outragious and intollerable say they in that you go about to teach the holy Ghost what he shall prescribe in the word because by this proposition of yours nothing should be prescribed therein concerning the sacraments for they are not there prescribed as things necessarie to saluation in such sort as men cannot be saued without them But if you ment not this necessitie then wee woulde knowe if you can tell your selfe what you woulde haue forsooth brethren a bishoppricke he would haue and all such troublesome fellowes as you are bannished y e land Hoe yon meane such a necessitie as euerie Church is not bounde to obserue the same order vpon their obedience For example you meane that euery Churche or seuerall congregation in Europe professing the trueth is not bounde to haue their Churche couered with lead as the monastery of Sarum is For they may lawfully haue it couered with slade or tyle You meane that they are not bound euerye one of them to haue a sermon vppon the wednesday for they may lawfully haue it vpon any other day in the weeke That euery Church is not bounde to haue a pulpit 4. foot high for they may without sin haue one lower or higher if expediencie edification require the same That is euen my moaning in deede and so ● would page 59. saith M. dean That these things should be vrged no otherwise then Paule doth vrge them that is not placing the perfection of religion in them or making them orders necessarie for the building but rather for the ornaments of the building and so squaring them all according vnto the rule Let all be done honestly and by good order Is this your meaning M. doctor you haue spun a fayre thred Can you tell your brother Marprelat with all your learning howe to decline what is Latine for a goose Why this euery one of your brethren his selfe wil graunt to be true and they neuer denied it at any time But this is not the question For it is neither concerning Churche officer office or anye part of Church gouernement whereof the question is instituted but it is concerning matter of circumstance Yet brother Iohn what do you meane by these contrarieties in this point For you haue heard page 59 you meane by things necessary to saluation matters of indifferencie and page 60. line 21 22. you meane an absolute necessitie without which men cannot be saued Do you think that you can answer men by saying that you in deed wrote page 79. But D. Perne wrote page 60. the which you had no leysure to ouersee This is a prettie aunswere is it not think● you Let me take you againe in such a pranck and ile ●ourse you as you were better to bee seeking Gammer Gurtons needle then come within my fingers And warned M. doctor saye the puritanes we will giue you leaue to take eyther of these 2. necessities to be your meaning If you meane as page 59. be necessarie to saluation then they denie the assumption And yet they will haue one course more at the proposition before they goe because it came from home and will bring foorth a Iesuit vnlesse betimes it be had to the house of correction They say thē that you still ioyne with Bellarmine For in the state of the question concerning tradition He hath the same cauill cap. 3. lib. 2. against Caluin Luther and Kemnitius which you haue concerning comdines and order in this place against your brethren What a sawcie fellow was that Bellarmine that must needes publish his worke for the Pope one iust yeare before you published yours for the Archbishop Could he not keep it in vntill both your books might be published together For now these puritans do shake you very shrewdly for borrowing popishe stuffe from Bellarmine ouerthrowing her Maiesties supremacie whereas I am perswaded that although Bellarmin had neuer written yet the master that taught him would in time haue fully instructed you in all these points that are forged vpon his Anvil And although as I thinke he saued you a great deale of studie yet I pray you let D. Perne write vnto him that he may know his fault and you be certified when hee writeth againe that both your bookes may come forth together Nowe if in your assumption saye our brethren if you meane by necessitie to saluation that without which men cannot be saued as before it is true that the Church gouernment is not of this necessitie for in that sence as was sayd the sacraments are not necessarie to saluation or of a●y absolute necessitie vnto our obedience Nay to be no traytor no ●dolator no whoremonger is not of that absolute necessitie to saluation but y t he may be saued whiche hath beene so th●● now he be none sometimes an idolator c. If you meane that other necessitie wherby al they that will haue any gouernment in the Church are bound to haue that onely and none els which God hath prescribed in the worde or else transgresse y t inuiolable prescript ordinaunce of God concerning the gouernement of his Church Then they denie the assumption Here is a pretie matter that one poore syllogisme must be thus handled I woulde his worshipp knewe who they were that thus deale with him I hope it should not be long ere 〈…〉 the Pur●iuant as vnnaturall a sourfaced 〈◊〉 as en●● was in that office should trudge for them They shall be met with one day I doubt not M. deane

Oh read ouer D. Iohn Bridges for it is worthy worke Oranepitome of the fyrste Booke of that right worshipfull volume written against the Puritanes in the defence of the noble cleargie by as worshipfull a prieste Iohn Bridges Presbyter Priest or elder doctor of Diuillitie and Deane of Sarum Wherein the arguments of the puritans are wisely prevented that when they come to answere M. Doctor they must needes say some thing that hath bene spoken Compiled for the behoofe and overthrow of the vnpreaching Parsons Fyckers and Currats that haue lernt their Catechismes and are past grace By the reverend and worthie Martin Marprelat gentleman and dedicated by a second Epistle to the Terrible Priests In this Epitome the foresaide Fickers c. are very insufficiently furnished with notable inabilitie of most vincible reasons to answere the cauill of the puritanes And lest M. Doctor should thinke that no man can write without sence but his selfe the senceles titles of the seueral pages and the handling of the matter throughout the Epitome shewe plainely that beetleheaded ignoraunce must not liue and die with him alone Printed on the other hand of some of the Priests Martin Marprelate gentleman primate and Metropolitane of al the Martins in England To all the Cleargie masters wheresoeuer sayth as followeth WHy my cleargie masters is it euen so with your terriblenes May not a pore gentleman signifie his good will vnto you by a Letter but presently you must put your selues to the paines and charges of calling foure Bishops together Iohn Canterburie Iohn London Thomas Winchester William of Lincolne and posting ouer citie countrie for poore Martin Why his meaning in writing vnto you was not that you should take the paines to seeke for him Did you thinke that he did not know where he was himselfe Or did you thinke him to haue bene cleane lost that you sought so diligently for him I thanke you brethren I can be well though you do not send to knowe how I do My mind towards you you shal from time to time vnderstand by my pistles As now where you must know that I thinke not wel of your dealing with my worship and those that haue had of my bookes in their custodie Ile make you rue that dealing of your● vnlesse you leaue it I may do it for you haue broken the conditions of peace betweene vs. I can do it for you see how I am fauored of all estates the puritans onely excepted I haue bene entertayned at the Court Euerye man talkes of my worship Manye would gladly receiue my bookes if they coulde tell where to finde them I hope these Courtier● will one day see the cause tryed betweene mee and you I haue manie sonnes abroad that will sollicit my suite My desire is to haue the matter tryed whether your places ought to be tollerated in any Christian commonwealth I saye they ought not And I say Iohn Canterburie and all ought to be out of his place Euery Archbishop is a petty Pope so is euery Lord bishop You are all the pack of you eyther hirelings or wolues If you dare aunswere my reasons let me see it done Otherwise I trow my friends and sonnes will see you one day deposed The Puritans are angrie with me I meane the puritane preachers And why Because I am to open Because I iest I iested because I delt against a worshipful iester D. Bridges whose writings and sermons tend to no other ende then to make men laugh I did thinke that Martin shoulde not haue beene blamed of the puritans for telling the trueth openly For may I not say that Iohn of Canterbury is a pettie pope seing he is so You must then beare with my ingramnesse I am plaine I must neede call a Spade a Spade a Pope a Pope I speake not against him as he is a Councellor but as he is an Archbishop and so Pope of Lambeth What will the Puritane seeke to keepe out the Pope of Rome and maintaine the Pope at Lambeth Because you will do this I will tell the Bishope how they shall deale with you Let them say that the hottest of you hath made Martin and that the rest of you were consenting there vnto● and so go to our magistrates and say lo such and such of our puritane haue vnder the name of Martin written against your lawes and so call you in and put you to your othes whether yon made Martin or no. By this meanes M. Wiggington or such as will refuse to take an othe against the lawe of the land will presently be founde to haue made Martin by the bishops because he cannot be gotten to sweare that he made him not And here is a deuice to fynde a hole in the coat of some of you puritanes In life sort to fynde the Printer put euery man to his othe and fynd meanes that Schilders of Middleborough shalbe sworne to so that if any refuse to sweare then he may be thought to be the pri●●ter But bishops let your fatherhoods tel me one thing May you put men to their oth● against law Is there any law to force men to accuse themselues No. Therefore looke what this dealing wil procure at the length Euen a plain premunire vpon your backe for vrging an oth contrary to statute which is a piece of the forraine power bannished by statute For the rest that will needs haue my bookes and cannot keepe them close I care not how the bishops deale with such open fellowes And bishops I woulde I could make this year 1388. to be the woonderful year by remoouing you all out of England Martin hath tolde the trueth you cannot denie it that some of you do iniuriously detayne true mens goods as Iohn of London And some haue accounted the preaching of the word to be heresie as Iohn of Canterburie c. All of you are in an vnlawfull callng no better then a broode of pettie Popes It will be but Follie for you to persecute the Courtier Martin vntill you haue cleared your selues which you can neuer do of the crimes he hath layd to your charge Alas poore bishops you would faine be hidden in a net I perceiue I will grow to a point with you Haue but a free disputation with the puritans for the vnlawfulnes of your place and if you be not ouerthrowen● I wil come in and do vnto you what you thinke good for then I will say that you are no Popes There was the Demonstration of Discipline published together with mine Epistles which is a booke wherein you are challenged by the puritane to aduenture your Bishopprick● against their liues in disputation You haue gotten a good excuse to be deaff at that challenge vnder couler of seeking for Martin Your dealing therein is but to holde my dishe whilo I spill my pottage you defend your legges against Martine strokes while the puritans by their Demonstration crushe the very braine of your Bishopdomes Answere that booke and giue the puritan●

the ouerthrow by disputation or els I see that Martin hath vndone you Be packing bishops and keepe in the P●●rcivants or if you will needs send them abroad to molest good men then pay them thei● wages and let them not pull it out of poore mens throates like greedie doggs as they do You striue in vaine you are layd open alreadie Fryar● and Monkes were not so bad● they liued in the darke you shut your eyes lest you should see the light Archbishop Titus and Timothie will neuer maintaine your popishe callings I haue pulled off your vizards looke to your selues for my sonnes will not see their father thus persecuted at your hands I will worke your woe and ouerthrow I hope And you are alreadie cleane spoyled vnlesse you will grant the puritans a free disputation and leaue your persecuting Eyther from countrie or Court M. Martin Marprelate will do you hurt Rime doggrell Is good inough for bishops I can tell And I doe much maruell If I haue not giuen them such a spell As answere it how they cannot tell Doctor Bridges vp and downe Writeth after this fashowne The Epitome of the first booke of this worthye volume written by my brother Sarum Deane Iohn Sic foeliciter incipit THe whole volume of M. Deanes containeth in it 16 bookes besides a large preface and an Epistle to the Reader The Epistle the preface are not aboue 8. sheets of paper and very little vnder 7. You may see when men haue a gift in writing howe easie it is for them to daube paper The compleat worke very briefely comprehended in a portable booke if your horse be not too weake of an hundred threescore and twelue sheets of good Demie paper is a confutation of The learned discourse of Ecclesiasticall gouernement This learned discourse is a booke allowed by all the Puritane preachers in the lande who would haue all the remnants and reliques of Antichriste dauntehed out of the Church and not so much as a Lorde B. no not his grace himselfe dumbe minister no not dumbe Iohn of London his selfe nonresident archdeacon abbie lubder or anye such loyterer tollerated in our ministerie Insomuch as if this strong holde of theirs be ouerthrowne hoe then all the fat is run to the fire with the puritanes And therefore hath not the learned prudent M. Deane delt very valiantly how wisely let Iohn Cant. cast his cardes and consider in assaulting this fort of our precise brethren which he hath so shakē with good vincible reasons very notably out of reason that it hath not one steane in the foundation meare then it had Trust me truely he hath giuen the cause sicken a wipe in his bricke and so lamb skinned the fame that the cause will be the warmer a good while for it The reasons that moued him to take this paines was that at the first comming out of the Learned Discourse the D. in a Sermon of his at Paules crosse did not onely confute a great part of this booke but by his said learned sermon made many of the puritans relent and distrust their owne cause what cannot a smooth tongue and a schollerlike wit bring to passe Some other of the puritans in deede being more vntoward to learne then the rest stood stiffe in their former opinions concerning the gouernment of bishopps notwithstanding this sermon of M. doctors challenged him for his sermon offered him y e disputation yea the non plus too or els I am deceiued here M. dean promised them a large confutation of the Learned discourse which in this ●ooke he hath now performed wherein he hath behaued himselfe verye scholerlike His stile is as smooth as a crabtree cudgell The lieader cannot chuse but haue as great delight therein as a Iacke an Apes hath in a whip he hath so thumped the cause with crosse blowes that the puritans are like to haue a good and a sound cause of it as long as they liue In this one thing I dare preferre him before any that euer wrote to wit that there be not 3. whole periods for euery page in the book that is not graced with a verie faire and visible solacism O most excellent and surpassing eloquence He speaketh euery thing so fitly to the purpose that he neuer toucheth the matter in question A rare gift in a learned writer He hath vsed such varietie of lerning that very often he hath translated out of one mans writing 6. or 7. pages together note here a newe founde manner of bookemaking And which is more strange he bringeth those testimonies for his purpose whose very words translated set down by him are as flat against the purpose whereto he bringeth them as fire in quallity is contrary to water Had not he a right vse of his wits think you while they were thus bestowed Not to stand long in this place of those quallities in him whereof before I haue made some mention to his praise in the former Epistle Whatsoeuer might be for the ornament and furthering of an honest cause he hath in this booke so defied them all that elsewhere you are to seeke for them for here they are not to be found Wherin he hath very wisely and prudeutly obserued the decorum of the cause in hand Like lips like Lettice as it is in the prouerbe The goodnes honestie of the matter he handled required such good honest proffs as he brought Let those that handle honest and godly causes labor to bring good prooffs and a cleare stile Presbyter Iohn defended our Church gouernement which is full of corruptions therefore the stile and the prooffs must be of the same nature that the cause is The priest leaues not so much as the title of the Discourse vnexamined The title forsooth is A learned discourse c. A sawcie title but what sayth the lerned Bridges vnto it O you know he is good at a stale iest euer since he plaide my Lord of Winchesters foole in his sermon at Sir Maries Church in Cambridg therfore he iesteth at the title I vs the puritans haue nothing to doe with that sermon why should they hit their brother in the teeth therewith he hath made their betters to laugh at him for his Sermon since that time And whye should he not for his grace will allow him because he is content that bishops should be Lords he hath subscribed weareth a corner cap and a tippet woulde gladly come to the honor to weare that which might make him a lord spirituall and if it were a shauen crowne or a coxcombe which his grace his articles would enioyn him to weare what hurt could that do vnto him Now I wonder what our brethren will say to this that their booke is scoffed at at the first dashe I am sure their noses can abide no iest What say they man do you make anye question of that I warraunt you they will affirme that the author of the Learned Discourse and

and trouble verie few vnles it be for fear that if they should tollerate to much they should haue a checke of their worshipfull Paltripolitan But you three like furious senceles brute beasts dread no perill looke no farther then your feete spare none but with tooth and naile cry out downe with that side that fauoreth the gospel so Fetch them vp with purciuants to the Gatehouse to the Fleet to the Marshalsey to the Clinck to Newgate to the Counter with thē It makes no matter with you I folow your own words brother London so you may shew your selues in shewe though not in trueth obedient subiects to the Queene disobedient traytors to God and the realme Thus farre I haue followed your words howbeit I thinke you are not well pleased w t me because yo● meane not to stand to any thing you haue written Nay you holde it vnlawfull now for a preacher as far as the two tables of the lawe do reache to speake against bishops much lesse any vngodly statute And yet you say page 49. line 7. That prechers must not be afraid to rebuke the proudest yea kings and Queenes so far forth as the two tables of the law doe reache As we see in Samuell Nathan Elias Iohn Baptist many other They may not stoope to euery mans becke studie to please man more then God Thus far are your wordes and they are as farr from your practize as you are from the imitation of these godly examples whiche you haue brought I see a bishoppricke hath cooled your courage for in those dayes that you wrote this book you woulde haue our parliament to ouer rule her maiestie not to yeelde an inche vnto her of their prileadges Your words I will set downe In like manner say you page 53. if the parliament vse their priuiledges the king can ordaine nothing without them if he doe it is his falt in vsurping it and their folly in permitting it wherfore in my iudgement those that in king Henrie the 8. daies would not graunt him that his proclamations shoulde haue the force of a statute weare good fathers of their countrie worthie of commendation in defending there libertie c I assure you brother Iohn you haue spoken many thinges worthie the noting and I would our parliament men woulde marke this action done in King Henry the 8. dayes and follow it in bringinge in reformation and putting downe lord Bishops with al other points of superstition they may in your iudgment not only doe any thing against their Kings or Queenes minde that is behoofull to the honor of god and the good of the common welth but euen withstand the procedings of their soueraigne But me thinks you haue a palpable error in the 48.49 50. page of your booke which is that women are vncapable of the ministerie not in regard of their sexe but of certaine wants and imperfections in their sex vz. their want of learning and corage so that if a woman should be brought vp in learning and trained in disputations were not milder in nature then men of al which wants in women you speake page 48 but knewe their quarter stroke which knowledg you require in the minister page 49 then by your reason they might prech in your di●ces whosoeuer wil read your 50. and 51. pages shal find this to be your iudgment Besides al this the reader shall find such earthly carnal stuff in al these pages that you must needs giue this iudgment of the whole book surely fleshe euen a lump of meere fleshe writ it For there you shall see the Englishe man prefered before other people only because he feedeth vpon and hath in his possession plentie of sheepe Oxen kie calues I keepe Iohn Elmars words Con●es fish and where as other nations feed vpon rootes rawe hearbes oyle grapes c. In the last place against the French King he raileth and outrageth in this wife That Turkish valesius that French tyraunt Is he a king or a diuell a christian or a Lucifer that by his cursed confederacie with the turke Page 113. line 4. O wicked ca●tife fyrebrand of hell And line 8. O foolish Germanes which conspire not together with the rest of christian princes to pull out such a traytour to God and his kingdome by the eares out of France hang him against the Sun a drying The discreet reader of that whiche hath bene spoken may apparantly see the vndiscreete briutishnes that was in you euen then when you were best worthy to be accounted off And thereby may gather what you are now when you haue bidden farewell not onely vnto the synceritie of religion whiche then you seemed to imbrace but euen vnto all humanitie and ciuill behauiour And yet you doe not thus leaue the Frenche king but in this page 113. line 13. You say that the diuel hath none of his side now but him to maintaine both the spirituall the temporall Antichrist in the same page Wherefore seeing he hath forsaken God like an Apostata and solde himselfe to the diuell c. And line 27.28 Proud Holophernes Oh blessed is that man that looseth his life against such a Termagaunt Againe page 114. line 2. but this Iulia the Apostata is named a diuels name Christianissimus Line 3. And like a trayterous Sarazen is Christes enemie● Here he leaueth the French king and here I leaue his booke Nowe I entreat the reader to consider these thinges that I haue set downe out of his booke and iudge whether such things as he wrote coulde proceed from a religious heart and whether the booke be not an offspring proceeding from a lumpe of earthly flesh This booke is almost all the tokens of Christianitie that euer he shewed Since the time he became bishop he hath bene a continuall oppressor of the Churche of God His practises against God and his saintes was the onely cause whie I haue taken this paines with his booke and he shall bee more beholding vnto me vnlesse he leaue his tyrannie But now alas alas brother Bridges I had forgotten you all this while my brother London and I were so busie that wee scarce thought of you Why coulde not you put me in minde that you staid al the whyle But it is no matter we will make the quicker dispatche of our busines You shall see I will bee the more fauorable to you And let me see howe roundly you ouerturne these puritans for you are now to ouerthrow the seuerall partes of their discipline Our brethren say that our Sauior Christ ordayned an holy ministery● of men for the buylding of his Church and prooue the saying by the place of Paule Ephe. 4.11.12 Your mastership 3. maner of wayes shew the place they alleage to make nothing for their purpose First say you Paule speaketh of diuers functions therefore nothing of Ecclesiasticall gouernment This reason brethren is a very sound one if you should denie

500. green heads more that are on their side within 2. Syllogismes would set the deane of Sarum at a flat non plus and answere his whole worke in a threepenie booke● Are they so good at disputing and writing in deed I hope his Canterburinesse will looke to this geare and suffer them to haue liberty neither to write nor to dispute the black Oxe hath troden on his foote he hath had some trial by woful experience what small credite and lesse-gaine there is to be had either in writing or disputing with these fellows To the matter The state of the whole controuersie betweene my brethren bishops and my brethren the puritans and so betweene this worthie doctor and these discoursers is whether the externall gouernement of the Church of Christ be a thing so prescribed by the Lorde in the new testament as it is not lawfull for any man to alter the same any more then it was lawfull to alter y e form of regiment prescribed vnder the law in the old testamēt And see whether if there be any gouernment in y e Church as necessarily there must be or els all confusion will ensue the same must be by those offices and officers alone and by no other which the Lord hath set downe and limited in his word Or els whether man may alter these offices and officers at his will and pleasure and make newe offices and officers as he may in the ciuill gouernments The puritans saye that these offices and officers whiche our sauior Christe and his Apostles did ordaine ●re unchangeable and that it is not lawfull for any pri●ce to alter them no not though the circumstances of times places and persons should seeme in regarde of conuenience to enforce him thereunto The doctor with all the Lordly priests in the land hold the contrarie And sweare it to be lawfull for the magistrate to ordaine what gouernement he will in the Church yea that the Church gouernors contrary to the flat commandement of our sauior Christ Luke 22.25.26 may be Lordes And that the Church gouernment prescribed by our Sauiour Christe and enioyned by the Apostle was not immutable as the regiment vnder the lawe was In so much as in the opinion of M. Bridges and the rest of the cleargie Paul was deceiued Ephesians the 4.13 in saying that pastors and doctors were to cōtinue in the Church vntil we al meet together that is vnto the ende of the worlde Here then is the puritans●● for the permanencie of this gouernment and M doctors no. ● Our brethren for so of his meere curtesie it pleaseth M. deane to call them whome men commonly call puritans and precisians to make their partie good propound the cause by a like example after this sort The sacrifices of y e olde lawe after the building of the temple were to be offered onely at Ierusalem by a Leuite of the li●e of Alia●on onely vnlesse a prophet extraordina●ily ordained it otherwise as Eliah did And the said sacrifices were to be consumed and burned onely by a fire proceeding from the Lord. Briefly none were to m●ddle with the tabernacle or any thing belonging to the seruice of God but the sonnes of Leui whome the Lord appointed for his owne seruice So that if anye sacrifice were offered out of Ierusalem by any other then a sonne of Aaron consumed by any strange fire or any seruice about the Tabernacle performed by a stranger not appointed by y e Lord then an horrible breath of gods ordinance was committed and punished very memorable by the Lord in 〈◊〉 Corah Dathan Abi●am the two hundreth and fiftie captaines of the Congregation who not being of the sonnes of Aaron would needs offer incense before the Lord. In like sort Christe Iesus ordained that when there should be any ministers in his Church they should be able to gather together the saints and that those in their proper and limited places should be either pastors or doctors In like sort he ordained that som should bear rule and ouersee the flocke with the minister and they should be Elders that the ouersight of the Church treasurie the care for the maintenance of the poore should be committed vnto Deacons vnder which also the widowes Church seruants are contained He farther ordained that before these officers shoulde be instituted and as it were inuested into their offices there should be had one examination of their fitnes to exemte the same and their vnreprooueable life And that their ordination shoulde be by imposition of hands with fasting and prayer And by these 4. officers say our brethren Pastors Doctors Elders and Deacons God hath appointed that all matters of the Church should be decided determined For these officers onely and none else must haue to do with the preaching of the ●ord● administring the sacraments making of mu●sters excommunicating and administring of all other Churche censures and punishmentes But as for ciuill gouernment punishment and censures they must not meddle with them Because these thinges onely belongeth to the ciuill magistrate whose off●●e is not to be vsurped by any of the ●●●mer Thus our brethrē set downe the whol state of the controuersie and thus by Scripture they confirme their I and ouerthrow M. doctors no. Parlous fellowes I assure yo● For beleeue me it would put a man to his trumps to answer these things soundly by scripture againe Well M. Deane on the other side verye stoutly proosteth his no● page 54. of his by a conner axiome to beginne withall on this maner If this Church gouernement by pastors doctors elders and deacons be necessarie then the Church in some age place eyther had this gouernment or hath labored for it A most true and tried trueth what then brother Sa●●●● do you assume from this true gouerment ●ay sof● there ●a masse deane I trow the puritans will not driue me to make syllogismes in this booke That is no part of mine intent for if I had thought they would driue me to suche pinches I would not haue medled with them Naye by their leaue if the assumption or proposition bee eyther more then I can prooue or be against my selfe I will omit them Pardon me I praye ye my masters I will set downe nothing against my self I haue brought in a true proposition and that is inough for one man I thinke Let me see what you can saye to that Mine assumption shalbe brought forth at leysure Is the winde at that dore with you brother deane I perceiue you will be of the surer side howsoeuer it goeth But brethren what then say you to M. deanes reason Your answere I know may be of 3. sorts First you may say that the reason is popish Secondly you may demand whether it be mid sommer Moone with him or no because he bringeth in a couex proposition and assumeth nothing Can you blame him in so doing For the

assumption must haue bene eyther affirmatiue or negatiue Now if he had assumed affirmatiuely he had ouerthrowne himselfe If negatiuely then you brethren would haue denied the assumption which M. Deane woulde neuer haue bene able to prooue So a man might put himselfe to a pecke of troubles in deede And this is a point for your learning closely to passe by that wherewith a man shall haue no honestie to deale Thirdly you may grant the proposition to be verie true to what end then did Sarum bring it in because Geneva and other the Heluetian Churches haue this gouerment and you labor for it Seelie fellowes can you saye no more then vppon them againe M. deane with your second reason thus concluded page 55. with 4. good substantiall tearmes No gouerment is an vniforme prescript that cannot be altered but that which God in his worde prescribeth to be such But the Lorde hath not prescribed the Church gouernment to be such as all things appertaining thereunto is an vniforme prescript that cannot bee altered Therefore the Church gouernment is not an vniforme prescript which cannot be altered Thou knowest not how I loue thee for thy wit learning sake brother Iohn as for thy godlines I might cary it in mine eye and see neuer a whit the worse notwithstanding me thinkes your syllogisme should haue foure tearmes 1 The Church gouernement 2 All thinges belonging to Church gouernment 3 An vniforme prescript c. 4 A gouernement prescribed in the word And ten to one brother you neuer drempt to haue me● with your brother Martin when you wrot this volume Well seeing we are now c●me together let me about this point of Church gouerment father mis●erly spur a question vnto you Tell me then bethout dissimblation what the bishops and you meane when the question is concerning Church gouernment to run by and by into the controuersie of things appertaining to Church gouerment which for the most part are indifferent and not set down in the worde but left to the discretion of the Church As though there were no difference between the questions By what and how many offices and officers the Church is to be gouerned In what causes it is lawful for church gouernours to imploy themselues whether it be lawful for one of them to meddle with the office of another Or for one to do that action wherin the whol Church should be an agent Whether they may be magistrates church gouernours both at one time As though I saye there were no difference betweene these questions which are grounded vppon the certaine prescript rule of the worde that cannot be chaunged and other questions which although they belong to the seruice of God and the outward gouernment of the Church yet depend not vppon any thing prescribed and exactly set downe in the worde but vpon the grounds● of what in regard of the changeable circumstances of time and place may be most comely most decent most orderly and best belonging to edification Of this latter sort are these points whether it be most conuenient that prayer should beginne at 8. or 9. of the clock whether the sermon should continue an houre or an houre and an halfe whether the pulpit should be of woode or of stone c. Concerning which the worde hath expresly set downe nothing but commanded that al of them shoulde bee squared according vnto the rule let all things be done honestly by order and to edification Now reason with one of our corrupt bishopps or any other that defende their corruptions and saye that our Church gouernement is wicked and vnlawfull because it is not expressely set downe in the word They will by by demand whether any thing belonging to the seruice of God be lawfull but that wherof there is expresse mētion made in the worde And whether any thing belonging to Churche causes be changeable As whether it may be lawfull for the minister to preach in his gowne whereas there is no expresse mention that our Sauiour Christ and his Apostles did so Or whether it may not be lawful for the Church of Geneua to begin his sermon at 8. of the clock whereas it may be the Church of Hel●etia beginneth at 9. or at 10. So the worshipfull Deane of Lincolne sometimes vnlearned Iohn Whitgift not being able to denie but that the ministers ought to be chosen by ●ayes demandeth whether women forsooth were not to haue a voyce in their election or no And thus all the packe of them run from the matter in controuersie vnto the question of things indifferent By this means thinking they may bleare the eyes of men if they cann bring any cauill though neuer so impertinent to y e matter As who say all men were so ignorant vnlearned blinded with the worlde as nonresidentes and 〈◊〉 are Ile besire them to leaue this order or els they are like to heare of it And ile besire you pres ryter Bridges not to bring foure tearmes in your syllogisme again for an you doe it shall cost me the setting on● My brethren the puritans in this place it may be wold grant your syllogism to haue but 3. tearmes in it and so would saye that the words all things in the assumption may be 〈◊〉 ambiguous for if therby your worship mean all things appertayning to the circumstances of the outward seruice of God as the houres of prayers the nomber of communicantes in one congregation c. as you set downe your meaning to be page 56. sect 3. Then they say your assumption is nothing to the matter in question The question my masters why what a question is that Did not I warne you aforehand that M. deane had made a vow not to meddle with the question But if say they● you meane the Churche officers and their subiects concerning which the controuersie is instituted then we denie the assumption And I warrant you brethren he proueth the assumption by 2. reasons page 55. First Christ is the owner and gouernour of his house which is the Churche concerning the inward and spirituall gouernment of the heart Therefore he hath not prescribed the outwarde gouernement thereof Surely brother Iohn I marueile vpon what topike place this reason is grounded for scripture is not the foundation you know of the established gouernmēt you defend As though will M. Bridges saye you are ignorant brother Martin whence I drew this argumēt You would make the worlde beleeue that you know not that I resoned as my brother London did in his H●●●orough of faythfull subiects I tell you I drew mine argument from that place whence he drewe his which you shall finde set down page 42. of his booke for I am sure M. Marprelat your booke hath the pages set downe in it although the printed booke hath them not O I remember well in deed brother Sarum y e place you mean and I remember that Iohn Elmars reason is very like yours For sayth Elmar The

page 58. sheweth very wisely that men must warily take heed how they builde for the Bb. haue these 30. yeares so builte that they are almost come to digg at the foundation of the Church le●t velike men shoulde by building after the maner of the Apostles ouerthrow the Monasterie of Sarum And that were pittie seing from thence these natural reasons following haue issued Euerie thing that is prescribed in the word contayneth in it the perfection of religion But the Church gouernement doeth not containe in it the perfection of religion Therefore the Churche gouernement is not prescribed in the word No brother Iohn nor baptim neither For baptim doth not containe the perfection of religion in it and therefore as you may wisely conclude it is not prescri●●● in the word We may alter what we will now so that the part which we alter containe not the perfection of religion in it be agreeable vnto my ● of Cant. articles For they must be altered in no rase And what reason is it that the Lord● supper should be receiued vnder both kindes if the ciuill magistrate and the Churche will otherwise ordayne For no sacrament containeth in it the perfection of religion therefore by M. deanes ●r oposition the celebration therof is not prescribed in y e 〈◊〉 A man might keep good stir in y e pulpit or in writing hauing but this ground allowed him And I thinke of such a preacher as this shoulde bee Iohn of London spa●●e in his foresaide booke page 49. line 2. where he describeth his preacher after this maner that he should be no milksop no white liuered gentleman that for the frowning cloudy countenance of euery man in authoritie will leaue his flocke crie Pecaui And againe in this page When they come to handigripes they must not onely flourishe but they must know their quarter strokes and the way howe to defende their head c● Such a pr●cher I say as this would quickly with his quarter strokes ouerturne al religion with verye good reason if deane Iohns proposition be true That euery thing whiche is prescribed in the word contayneth in it the perfection of religion Will you haue any more of these blowes brethren then touch them againe parson Iohn with the second reason in this page Euerie thing that is prescribed in the word is of the substance of the building The church gouernement is not of the substance of the buylding Therefore it is not prescribed in the worde Nothing but pa●alog●●●nes Sir Bridges do you not know before whom you speak You thinke now that you play my ● of Winchesters foole do you Or that you are in the monasterie of Sarum among your roring quiristers I would aduise you learn this of me That the Church gouernment is a substancial point of religion And therfore of the substance of the building That it is a substantiall point it appeareth because it is included within the commaundement which our Sauior Christ gaue vnto his Apostles when he sent thē to build his Church commanding them not onely to teache and baptize all nations which are the things that you thinke onely to be substantiall vnto the building Naye wicked bishops wil not acknowledge preaching to be of the substance of the building but also to teache them to obserue whatsoeuer he commanded them Now he orday as ● he commanded that the church should be gouerned by these 4. offices or els the Apostles woulde neuer haue obserued them and prescribed them vnto the Churche Was there nothing wanting vnto the building in Greek while they wanted Fiders there If there was not why should Titus stay there to ordain Fiders in euery citie If there was what a dunse art thou to denie the Church gouernment saluation such a necessitie as without which men cannot be saued The next reason is for the golden pen. Either necessarie or vnnecssarie But not necessarie to saluation Ergo vnnecessarie Thus M. Doc. carrieth away the matter very clearly Onely he strayneth a little curtesie with the Learned Discourse in putting necessarie to saluation for appertayning to saluation You know he that can with a guilty conscience haue a facultie for two liuings may as wel be dispensed with for a lye or two And I wisse these fellowes neede not to be so precise of swearing by fayth troth and strayning out a small lye for a benefit they cōmit groser sinnes many times And this M. Do. hath ouerthrowne their whole buylding in generall Nowe hee commeth to the spoyling of euery particular part therof But before I come to these pointes I care not inasmuch as there hath bene often mention made of my L. of Londons booke betweene our brother Bridges and me if I set downe some part of my iudgement concerning that booke O but M. Martin will my brother Bridges say will you meddle with that booke which M. Amar wrote in the defence of her Maiesties gouernment So you will giue me and the Bb. iust cause to say that you are a sedicious fellowe and one that disliketh of her maiesties gouernment And by this meanes you will incense many against you that otherwise could not but fauor your worthinesse and learning I would they durst say euen anye B. of them all saye that I dislike her maiesties gouernement I would make poore Bb. of thē or I had done with them if they should slander me in this sort And they dare but raise vp this slander against me I will persecute the whol generation of them and make them wearie of slandering while they liue Shall they deale with me as you do brother Bridges thinke you with Daneus in your booke whome you bring as an enemie to her maiesties gouerment whereas he by name and in manifest words commendeth and prayseth very highly her maiesties regiment aboue all others Or will they deale with me as they haue done with M. Beza M. Beza cap. 44. of his Confessions written in Latin saith that he disliketh their iudgements who thinke it vnlawful for women to beare rule This book is translated into English but it hath all this poynt left out in the Englishe copie to the end they may as it is reported bear her maiestie in hand that M. Beza is against her regiment and so that her maiestie may be brought in detestation of the Church gouerment which M. Beza fauoreth as being a Church gouerment that cannot stand with the ciuill gouernment of women What say you to this geare Bb. haue you delt well with M. Beza Deale thus with me an you dare If you will say that you had no such intent as to slaunder M. Beza in leauing out the said point Then I say that you are enemies vnto her maiesties gouernment in that you will wipe out of a printed and a translated booke that which was written in her defence especially suffering the rest of the booke to be printed To returne to Iohn of Londons foresaid booke

I say although he hath therein spoken against bishopps euen our bishops now liuing and so against himselfe as being nowe a B. yet that his booke is a carnall and vnlearned booke smelling altogether of earth without rime and without reason And that his speaking against bishops therein was but a snare to catch a bishopprick as it now appeareth The particular sentences marginall notes shalbe set downe and where I set anye note vpon your booke there shalbe an m. for difference sake added thervnto We will beginn with your owne wordes vnto the Bb. that is vnto your selfe and your brethren page 23. Oh they may thanke God say you that they haue this time to breathe them and bethinke them of their naughtie and hellishe crueltie and to call dayly and hourely for pardon and forgiuenes for let them thinke that if they be not punished in this life nor repent God accounteth their deedes so vile and their ●ults so haynous that no temporall paines be inough for such offences And therefore reserueth them to eternall damnation Oh howle and wayle you priests and prelates not for the danger you stand in of loosing your bishopricks and benefices your pride your pompe your dignities and honors your riches and welth But for that hel hath opened her mouth wide and gapeth to swalow you for the sheding of so much innocent blood for murdering so manie martyrs though this her true in our bishops yet let me in steede thereof say for imprisoning so many innocents and murthering the soules of so many in ignorance and spoiling Christs church of so manie glistering and glorious ornaments commended of all for their learning and discommended of none for their liuing Nowa lest anye man shoulde thinke that he writeth these things to popish bishops you are to know that he wrote them vnto such as were bishopps in the raigne of her maiestie vnto bishops prosessing the gospel in name but in deed deniyng the power thereof And in the next page line 10. he hath these words against those bishops and now against himselfe But Christ knowing the bounds of his office would not meddle with externe pollicies translating of realmes and depriuing of true inheritors Now whē he was desired to be arbiter betwixt two brethren he asked not how the plea stood but who made him an officer Diuines me thinkes should by this example not giue themselues too much the brydle and too large a scope to meddle with matters of pollicie as this is whervpon dependeth eyther the welfare or ilfare of the realme If these two offices I meane ecclesiasticall and ciuill be so iumbled together as it may be lawful for both parties to meddle in both functions here can be no quiet nor well ordered common wealth Thus the reader may see what a paterne of hypocrisie this wicked bishop since he wrote this book hath shewed himself to be in taking vpon hi● not onely that calling whiche in his owne iudgement is vnlawfull but also in ioyning those two offices together the coupling whereof he confesseth to bee ioyned as well with the most vile disorder as with the dangerous disquietnes of the common wealth And yet he hath not here left off speaking against bishops Therefore as before in the Epistle hath bin touched he dealeth more roundly with thē page 103 then before in these wordes Come off you bishops away with your superfluities yeeld vp your thousandes be content with your hundreths as they be in other reformed Churches where be as great learned men as you are Let your portion be pristlike not prince like Let the Queen haue the rest of your temporallities and other landes to maintaine these warres which you procured and your mistresse left her and with the rest to build and found schools throughout the realme that euery parrishe Church may haue his preacher euerie citie his superintendent to liue honestly and not pompously which will neuer bee vnlesse your lands be dispersed and bestowed vpon many whiche now feedeth and fatteth but one Remember that Abimelech when Dauid in his bannishment woulde haue diued with him kept such hospitallitie that he had no bread in his house to giue him out the shewe bread Where was all his superfluitie to keepe your pretenced hospitallitie For that is the cause you aleage why you must haue thousands as though you were commanded to keepe hospitallitie rather with a thousand then with a hundred I woulde out countriman Wicklieffes booke which he wrote De Ecclesia were in print and there should you see that your wrinches and cauillations be nothing worth Hitherto you see that this Balaam who hath I feare me receiued the wages of vnrighteousnes spoken in generall as well against the callings of bishops and their vsurping of ciuill offices as against their pride pompe superfluitie Must not he thinke you haue eyther a most scared or a most guiltie conscience that can finde of his heart to continue in that calling yea and in the abuse of that calling which his owne conscience if he woulde but awake it telleth him to be vnlawfull The Lord giue him repentance if he belongeth vnto him or speedely rid his Churche of such a scourge And may not all the former speeches be fitly applied vnto him Is without dout But the next he may be thought to haue written to himselfe which he hath set downe page 34. As if you shoulde saye my L. Lubber of London is a tyrant Ergo he is no Byshop I warraunt you though he graunted you the antecedent which he can hardly denie yet he woulde denie the consequent or els he would call for wiely Watson to helpe him Here brother London you haue crossed your selfe ouer the costard once in your dayes I thinke you would haue spent 3. of the best Elmes which you haue cut down in Fulham and 3. pence halfepenie besides that I had neuer met with your booke But vnlesse you and Iohn of Excetor with Thomas Winchester who haue beene in times past hypocrites as you haue bene leaue off to hinder the word and ver godly men I will make you to be noble and famous bishops for euer And might not a man wel iudge yon three to be the desperat Dicks which you brother London page 29. affirm to be good bishops in England For to allude vnto your owne words page 28.29 Whereas other bishops in the land for the most onely Iohn Canterburie excepted lest they should one day answere for their proceedings vnto her maiestie and gaine the euill will of the noble men and gentlemen that fauour the sinceritie of the gospell will not seeme to bee such dealers as you 3. are though they serue at an inche in their place to maintaine his graces pride and cruelty to stay the course of the gospell and to fetch in men with in the compasse of subscription yet are they those for the most part that will imprison none

against the trueth and all is to trie out the trueth whiche is onely the sole meaning that M.D. hath not at all thought off But I pray you let vs passe frō hence vnto the 64. pa. where you shal find the calling of an Archbishop most notablie prooued out of our brethrens owne words Our brethren ●a the cloyster master of Sarum affirme that Paule Barnabas ordained presbyters priestes or elders for thus M.D. to his neuerlasting fame hath full often in his booke translated the greeke word presbyteros at Derbe Iconium and Lystra Ergo some of these priestes or elders were ordayned ouer whole towns some ouer regions And what could be more aptly spokē to the purpose or more fitly proue an Archiepiscopall calling But the reason following prooueth it yet more euident and that is the ilsample of Archbishop Titus whome the D. of diuillitie in this 65. page affirmeth to haue beene Arch. of Creet Nay good M.D not many Archbishopps in the person of Titus I pray you Titus was an Euangelist therefore no Archbishoppe Yea sayth he Titus was a very Archbishopp there is playne scripture to prooue it whiche is the subscription of the Epistle to Titus Whope papist say the puritans is that become scripture with you Why M. Beza hath long since prooued this to be no scripture but an vncertaine and false gesse added by som Scholiast You know also that your brother Turrian the Iesuit bringing in this for Scripture was soundly confuted by M. Sadel and dare you Deane Iohn bring this in for Scripture Yes that I dare sayth he and prooue Titus to haue bin an Archbishopp euen by this reason because Paul gaue him the authoritie to be the ordinary of all the Bishopps in Creet And this I prooue because Creete where my Lorde Archbishoppe Titus his grace was Primate and Paltripolitane had many famous cities in it This is my very reason page 65. line 21. and ile stand to it Now M. Fickers parsons and currats if euer I hard better proofe in my life I would all dumbe dogges were whipped out of the Churche Now truely this is sport alone But brother parson Bridges I praye you tell me was there canonicall obedience sworne to Archbishopp Titus What els man Did they cal him my Lords grace to Do you dout of it Did his gentlman Ussher go bare-headed before him As though he could not be as popelike and pontificall as my Lorde of Canterburie But I hope a pore hedge priest might haue his letters of orders of him though he would giue no bribes vnto his Secretorie cooke butler c. Might he so goodman noddie Then how should his men I pray you be able to liue As though bishops should giue their men any wages Their blessing I trow will serue their men in steed of wages In page 66. M. doctor demaundeth a question that is whether one man might not haue diuers of these offices and gifts which were in the Apostles time In deed brother parson we read of neuer an Apostle that was a nonresident but of one Iudas one Simon Magus and one Diotrephes in all that time The reason belike was that men wrought miracles in those dayes whiche gifte the noble Lords of our cleargie haue now bestowed vpon their horses For in the Aposiles time a horse vsually caried not aboue one or two men at the most whereas you know that Master D. Humffrie and D. Mathew had two horses betweene them that neuer caried vnder 14. men whensoeuer their masters were on their backes And our bishopps are so expert in adorning horses with those miraculous giftes that they are no sooner on their horse backes then presently the horse whereon they ride is able to cary as many as either of the 2. former besides their bootes 2. or 3. paire of trulling square dice and so many paire of cards Parsou Bridges page 68. saith there are more giftes and callings then 4. pastors doctors elders and deacons remayning because sayth he page 69. the gifts of doing miracles prophesie the gifts of healing diuers among the papists haue and do enioy and especially the gift of tongs not attained vnto by studie had diuers of them as Anthonie c. Anthonie among the papistes had the gifte of tongs without studie Now what a goodyeare was that Anthonie The god of the pigs trow ye In deed master D. quoteth no author for his warraunt hee is redd you know in the Legend of lies There it is what haue the puritans to doe where he found it Let thē answere to it What if he founde it in Hodge his breechs seeking for Gammer Gurtons needle Is the reason worse then the rest of his booke because it is without authoritie As for the matter contayned in the 70.71.72 pages M. D. confirmeth it by the authoritie of a puritane writer which wrote as he sayth A fruitfull sermon vppon the 1. Cor. 12. printed by Robert Walde-graue 1584. A Sermon vpon the 1. Cor. 12. printed by Robert Walde-graue say our brethren why there was neuer any sermon vpon that tert printed by Robert Walde-graue M. D. belike meaneth the sermon vpon Rom. 12. Tush brethren what should you tell vs of M.D. meaning he meaneth the sermon vpon 1. Cor. 12. If you doe not beleeue me looke the 255. page of his booke and there you shall see the sermon vpon 1. Cor. 12. twise cited M.D. if he were more beetleheaded then he is could not possible misse so often in the naming of the sermon vpon Rom. 12. which is so commonly knowen It may be in deede you neuer saw any sermon extant vpon that text but I warraunt you Deane Iohn knoweth the way to Salisburie so doe not many thousands of you puritans Whye you neuer sawe the Syriacke Testament translated by Iunius for that which is abroade was done by Tremelius alone but M.D. hath quoted Iunius his Syriack Testament Why then may he not aswell finde a sermon vpon 1. Cor 12. printed by Robert Walde-graue as a Syriacke Testament of Iunius his trauslation Now say the puritans what a notorious blocke is this deane who inasmuch as he hath heard that M. Tremelius and M. Iunius were ioyned together in the translation of the Syble thinketh therfore that Iunius translated the Syriack Testament which was done by Tremelius onely For shame my masters deale more charitably beare with the infirmities of your brethren I grant in deede it was M.D. ouersight in naming Iunius his Syriacke Testament and the sermon vpon 1. Cor. 12. in steade of Rom. 12. But what then should you therefore take him vp for it as though he were the veriest asse in a countrie Learned men may easily commit such ouersights especially quoting authors vpon other mens reportes as M. D. hath done But it is no maruell that you deale thus with M. deane when you dare abuse Antichrist and say as the author of the Learned Discourse hath done that this gouernment of yours