or superstition And we may say of both these exercises so used 2 Admonit pag. 56. as the Admonition doth wee cannot account them praying or preaching but onely reading or rehearsing or saying of a Sermon or prayer even as a childe that learneth a prayer or Sermon without booke if he rehearse what he hath learned he rehearseth a prayer or Sermon but he doth not pray or preach But this is onely the sinne of him that useth not these prayers as he ought it argueth not the prayers themselves to be evill nor the use of a stinted forme publique or private in them that use it or them that joyne to be disallowed If it be not praying as it is used ignorantly for custome without affection it is praying when used aright with understanding faith feeling and such like affections required in holy prayer We reade not of any such Liturgie in the Church of Christ in the dayes of the a Bilson Christ subsect part 4. p. 407 408. You may well perceive by the Apostles words that they had neither Sermons nor Service prefixed nor limited in his time but when the chh came together the Elders and Ministers instructed the people and made their prayers by miraculous instinct or inspiratiō This was all the church-service they had to which they added the celebration of the Lords Supper but without any setled or prefixed order of prayer except it were the LORDS prayer which they observed in all places c. Apostles and therefore no such Liturgie is any part of Gods worship or substantiall meanes thereof to be used without addition or alteratiō of all or any Church with opinion of necessitie holinesse or merit But a set Liturgie might be in use in their times though we reade not of it for the Apostles set not downe a Catalogue of all and every particular order that was in the Church but give us a perfect rule or canon of faith and manners in all things necessary to salvation and all things unchangeably concerning the government of the Church unto the end of the world And if there was no stinted Liturgie in their dayes yet for order a set forme of prayer to be used in publique meeting is not unlawfull because it is of the number of things which God hath not determined in his Word and b In the additions to the Admonitiō it is read thus Remove Homilies Articles Injunctions and that prescript order wherein they declare that their meaning is not to disallow of prescript service of prayer but of this forme that we have T. C. repl 1. pag. 105. Dr. Whiteg answer to the Admonition pag. 143. where God hath not prescribed any forme there no forme must be esteemed any part of worship or condemned as simply unlawfull For as to call that holy which God hath not sanctified is superstition so it is erroneous to condemne that as unholy or prophane which God alloweth or is consonant to his Word though it be not precisely commanded But that there was no such c Bilson ibid. pag. 409. Had they set an order for the service of the church durst any man after have broken it or any church refused it Liturgie in many ages following till blindnesse ignorance and lazinesse occasioned a prescript forme to be made for idle and dumbe Priests is your addition to the Nonconformists reasons and not their saying and more then can be proved by good Authoritie Of the precise antiquitie of stinted Liturgies it is hard to determine but that they have beene in use in the Christian Church for the space of this fourteene hundred yeares if not above no man can denie It is more than probable that stinted formes were in use in the Greeke Churches before they came to the d The Bishops of Rome were 600. yeares and upward patching peicing the Masse before they brought it to any setled forme Polydor. De Invent. rer l. 5. c. 10. Latine at least many things were translated out of the Greeke Liturgies into the Latine But in the Latine Church we finde a stinted forme was in use in Cyprians time in the administration of the Supper not to insist upon that which some mention of the Lords prayer used in the celebration from the very times of the Apostles And some the chiefe promoters of a stinted Liturgie are renowned for their constant and unwearied paines in preaching every day in the weeke and sometimes twice So that there is no probabilitie that the first occasion of a stinted e Rome had one forme of service Millain another France a third Greg. respon ad 3. interrogat Aug. Liturgie was to helpe the ignorant idle or dumbe Priest as you are pleased to phrase it Where you borrowed this clause I know not but I cannot finde that ever the f See T. C. repl 1. pag. 106. Nonconformists have thus written In all the order there is you say no edification but confusion but the g 2 Admon pag. 14. Author of the Admonition saith In all their order of service there is no edification according to the Rule of the Apostle but confusion which seemeth to be referred rather to the h In the Church of Corinth some of their Elders strangers or inhabitāts to venditate themselves and the gifts they had of God might sometimes blesse or make their prayers at the Lords Table in a tongue not understood of the whole multitude But this abuse doth not condemne the exercise it selfe abuse in too many places than to the order it selfe prescribed in the booke as the instances following of tossing the Psalmes like tennise-balls in many places and the peoples standing walking talking reading by themselves doe evidence But the Booke is not to be burdened with the faults of men though too ordinary and common The Nonconformists dislike that nothing els should be required of Ministers but barely to reade service and the ordaining of ignorant Ministers they condemne as contrary to the Word of God and the meanes to nuzzle people in ignorance securitie lukewarmnesse and sinne But the use of a stinted Liturgie or the reading of prayers in the publique assembly they never gainesaid as unlawfull or inexpedient We agree saith i T C. repl 1. p. 106. T. C. of a prescript forme of prayer to be used in the Church And in the other no question many Conformists doe consent with them A prescript service therefore and an k Rutges Metaph. institut lib. 1. ca. de Bono Effectus per accidens secutus ex actione vel omissione alicujus non imputatur ei nisi intercedat obligatio cavendi unum ne aliud sequatur Hoc pacto unus bomo nonpotest juste recte intendere permissionem lapsus alterius ignorant or carelesse Ministery have no necessary coherence the one is lawfull the other unlawfull the one may be retained the other ought to be taken away It is no consequence to reason thus The Nonconformists disallow a Ministery that can
displeased with their owne service and will renounce their owne Religion If Pope Pius the fourth promised to Queene Elizabeth that if shee would reconcile her selfe to the Church of Rome Pius the fourth in his Bull sent forth against Queene Elizabeth saith ImpioruÌ„ numerus tantum potentiâ invaluit nullus jam in orbe locus relictus fit quem illi pessimis doctrinis corruÌ„pere non tentarint And then speaking of Q. Elizabeth Missae sacrificium preces jejunia cihorum delectum caelibatuÌ„ abolevit and acknowledge the supremacy of that Sea he for his part would binde himselfe to declare the sentence pronounced against her Mothers marriage to be unjust to confirme by his authoritie the English Liturgie and to permit the administration of the Sacrament here in England under both kindes It is no new thing for the Pope to permit and confirme both for his owne sinister end what he doth not like or approve It is no strange matter that the Pope should preferre his supremacy before the purity of Religion And by the words of the offer the promise of the Pope seemeth not to be extended to the whole Liturgie and service of the Church as it is established by Law but to some part alone perhaps as it was practised before the sacrifice of the Masse was abolished For why should it be added that he would permit the administration of the Sacraments in both kindes if he would confirme the whole English Liturgie as it is now set forth After Queene Elizabeth was proclaimed a Proclamation came forth that the Letany the Epistles and Gospels the Decalogue the Creede and the Lords-prayer should be read in all Churches in the English tongue but it was the fourteenth of May after being Whitsunday before the sacrifice of the Masse was abolished and the booke of the uniformitie of common-prayer and the administration of the Sacraments publiquely received but whether the whole Service be meant or no it is not much materiall for he could not confirme it but he must condemne himselfe If the Papists for the first ten yeares The seditious Bull of Pius Quintus was set up published by Felton a rebellious traytor in the twelfth yeer of Q. Elizabeth which bare date the fifth of the Calends of March Anno 1569. An. 13. The statute for subscription to the Doctrine of faith SacrameÌ„ts An. 17. of Q. Elizabeth there was great stirre about Ceremonies and Discipline Scripsit haec ille saith Mr. Parker speaking of Dr. Whiteg ante natam separationeÌ„ nostram quae utinam O utinamâ—nata nunquaÌ„ fuisset Park de polit Eccl. l. 1. ca. 14. sect 1. Ann. 20. Began a flourishing time An. 26. Universall subscription offered to the Ministers After which followed grievous troubles and then separation and falling from the Chh. August lib. 1. contr ep Parm. c. 7. Nec quae dicebant probare potuerunt et adhuc in sanctae Ecclesiae praecisione Sacrilego furore ferebantur Acts and Mon. vol. 3. title The Cannon of the Masse resorted to our publique Congregations and service what can we thinke but that the hand of the Lord was with us for good whiles we sought him unfaignedly who caused our enemies at least lyingly to submit themselves For in the first ten yeares of Queen Elizabeth there was sweet consent amongst brethren The Pope durst not curse the Gospell flourished and was glorifyed the Papists durst not oppose themselves and I thinke there was not a man that thought of separation The pressing of subscription and conformitie in the tenth yeare of Queen Elizabeths Reigne was that which brought in all the troubles and contentions following For after that Brethren wrote one against another the Papists they fell backe to their vomit and in processe of time and not long after some of fiery spirits advanced the Controversies to such an height as they forsooke their brethren renounced their Mother and drew themselves into voluntary separation or schisme Which rents have beene encreased unto this day by the violent urging of subscription and conformitie on the one fide and the maintenance of that rash and sinfull departure on the other But these things convince not our service to be idolatrous In few words if our publique worship be false and devised it must be either because it is a stinted or set Liturgie devised by man or for some speciall reason in respect of the former matter If because it is a stinted or set Liturgie devised by man then it is in vaine to say it is picked out of the Masse-booke or it pleaseth the Papists or the Pope would have confirmed it For this doth not make it devised worship but it is devised worship because it is a set or stinted forme And then the same sentence must passe against all set formes of Psalmes Blessings Confessions and Catechismes Then the publique worship of all the Churches of God throughout the whole world for the space of this fourteene hundred yeares if not more was false devised and idolatrous If in respect of the peculiar matter or forme then either the bare forme of words order and methode must be a part of worship or the matter and substance of prayers and administration of the Sacraments be forged and devised worship neither of which was ever said by any Nonconformists nor can be avouched with colour of truth The forme may be too like the Masse-booke in some things and the matter in every point not so pure as is to be desired but the forme is not worship nor prayers and substance of administration devised worship Such is the unholinesse of this Idol-booke Sect. 2. Neces Can. of Separat p. 81 82. 2 Admon pag. 56. Def. Admo pag. 4. 1 Admonit pag. 3. Syons plea. 342. 318 314. Mr. Gilby pag. 29. 2 Admon 57. 1 Admon 3. as the Nonconformists generally have refused to subscribe unto it affirming it to be such a peice of worke at it is strange any will use it there being in it most vile and unallowable things And for this cause they have besought the Peeres of the Readâ—ie that it might be utterly removed and many reasons they have given in severall Treatises to prove their condemnation of it just and lawfull First because it is an infections Liturgie Romish-stuffe a divised service and in it are many Religions â—ixed together of Christ and Antichrist of God and the Devill besides a booke full of fansies and a great many things contrary to Gods Word and prayers which are false foolish superstitious and starke naught Secondly They cannot account it praying as they use it commonly but onely reading or saying of prayers 2 Admon 56. even as a childe that learneth to reads if his lesson be a prayer he readeth a prayer and doth not pray even so it is commonly a saying and reading prayers and not praying Thirdly In all the order there is no edification but confusion Fourthly Wee reade not of any such Liturgie in the Christian Church
in the dayes of the Apostles 1 Admon pag. 14. Altar Dam. 178. nor in many ages following till blindnesse ignorance and lazinesse occasioned a prescript forme to be made for idle and dumbe Priests Fifthly If this were not many would make more profession of Love to preaching and hearing Gods Word but by this meanes it is neglected and despised for worldlings usurers drunkards whore-mongers and other earthly and prophane people away with nothing so well as English Masse Against Br. 43. Curt. Ch. power 42.45 and why but because it doth not sharply reprove them of their sinnes nor disclose the secret of their hearts but that they may continue in all kinde of voluptuousnesse and all other kinde of wickednesse Learn Discour of Eccl. Govern 68. Mart. Senior p. 2. Pract. of Prin. addi and therefore rightly it is called their sterve-us-booke Sixthly God hath no where appointed that the Church should be tyed to reade the Booke of Common-prayer for his worship and therefore to doe it is an high transgression before him as great as the sinne of Nadab and Abihu and such are liable unto the like or greater punishment Seventhly If this were praying and there were never an ill word nor sentence in all the prayers yet to appoint it to be used or to use it as Papists did their Mattens and Evening-song for a seâ—-service to God though the words be good the use is naught The words of the first Chapter in John be good but to be put into a Tablet of gold 2 Admon pag. 55. for a soveraigne thing to be worne the use is superstitious and naught and so is the use of this Service The Nonconformists never passed any condemnatorie sentence against the Booke of Common-prayer Answer as if it was false or devised worship or against the use of a stinted forme as if to reade it was an high transgression before the Lord. Enough hath beene said of their opinion in the former section whereunto adde this testimony of a man of another Nation whom you are pleased to stile a chiefe Nonconformist Course of Confor pag. 58. The famous confession of faith well known and commended at home and abroad the formes of prayer publiquely used in the Congregations and families of Scotland must be cast in a new mould It is true Beza Epist 2. Gravissimè nimirum in semetipsos in fratres reliquos peccare qui naevis istis aut etiam si mavis corruptâ—lis et suas ex aliorum cosâ—entias non leviter perturbant perinde ac si de Christianismo semel ablato ageretur c. Sed vitia a vitiis quae condonanda sunt Christianae chariâ—ati ab iis quae prorsus sunt execranda pradenter distinguenda esset censeo idque tamen non ex carnis sed spiritus prudentiâ—â— the Nonconformists judge it unlawfull to subscribe to that Booke that every thing conteined therein is agreeable to the Scripture but they condemne not the Booke as an Idol or prophane nor the use of the Booke in those things which are consonant to the truth And of this their judgement there is evident ground for we must not approve the least error though in it selfe never so harmlesse for truth because that were to lie against the truth and the God of truth needeth not my lie But many things must be tolerated when it is not in our power to amend them which we cannot approve otherwise we must hold communion with no Church or societie in the world And of this marke are the corruptions noted in the Communion-Booke as hath been shewed and is evident by the particulars mentioned in passages which you alledge It is true likewise they judge the Booke in the forme thereof to come too nigh the Papists and so have others as well as they and therefore have petitioned that it might be reformed that we might depart further from them and come neerer to the reformed Churches But herein they shew what they judge most convenient not condemning the Booke for the substance thereof as a forged worship How much more convenient were it saith T. C. T.C. repl 2. p. 109. that according to the manner of the reformed Churches first the Minister with an humble and generall confession of faults should desire the assistance of the Lord for the fruitfull handling and receiving of the Word of God and then after we have heard the Lord speake unto us in his Word by his Minister the Church should likewise speake unto the Lord and present petitions and suits at once c. But how carefull he was to prevent such wayes and speeches as some professors of the Gospel being private men might be emboldned to breake forth upon such like exceptions T.C. repl 1. p. 106. is evident by that solemn request he makes unto them that professe the Gospell in the name of God that they abuse not his labour to other ends than he bestowed it and that they keep themselves in their callings commit the matter by prayer unto the Lord leaving to the Ministers of the word of God and to the Magistrate that which pertaineth to them The Protestants in France for substance of matter agree with the Nonconformists herein The use of the whole Booke for matter and manner in every thing without addition or alteration they doe not approve because they conceive some things faulty others inconvenient and some things defective and strictly to be tyed to words and syllables is more than the Lord hath bound us unto in the administration of his holy Sacraments But the substance of prayers in the Booke they never disallowed nor the use of the booke 2 Admonit pag. 56. â— Admonit pag. 3. as of a vile and filthy thing Thus the Authors of the Admonition must be understood when they say The Booke is such a peice of worke as it is strange we will use it And now they are bound of necessitie to a prescript order of service and booke of common-prayer in which a great number of things contrary to Gods Word are conteined c. For they professe they have tolerated what they could not amend 1 Admonit pag. 9. Park of the Crosse part 2. ca. 9. sect 4. Wee receive the Communion-book in what wee may and in omitting of the ceremonies we doe in equitie keep the Law because of the end which is to edifie and used the Booke in their Ministery so farre as they might even where they object as great corruptions against it as in any other place To reade or repeate a prayer by heart as if the bare rehearsall thereof in so many words and syllables and none other was a part of Gods worship is a transgression of his commandement whether it be prescribed by others or devised of our selves or set downe in Scripture And the same may be said of the preaching of the Word to place opinion of worship in the meere act done in such words or methode is will-worship
AN ANSWER TO TWO TREATISES Of Mr. IOHN CAN THE Leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam The former called A Necessitie of Separation from the Church of ENGLAND proved by the Nonconformists Principles The other A Stay against Straying Wherein in opposition to M. Iohn Robinson he undertakes to prove the unlawfulnesse of hearing the Ministers of the Church of England Very seasonable for the present times By the late learned laborious and faithfull servant of Jesus Christ JOHN BALL He that is first in his owne cause seemeth just but his neighbour commeth and searcheth him Prov. 18.17 Prove all things hold fast that which is good 1 Thes 5.21 LONDON Printed by R. B. and are to be sold by John Burroughes at his Shop at the signe of the Golden Dragon neere the Inner Temple gate in Fleetstreet 1642. TO The Christian READER Sound Knowledge and love of the Truth together with inward peace and Spirituall joy through Communion with Christ in the Ordinances of the Gospell Christian READER THis ensuing discourse was prepared for the Presse by the Reverend Author and committed to one of us that it might be made publike of which we will say nothing but shall freely venture it to stand or fall by the award of an impartiall judgement Neither shall wee present thee with the Authors deserved praises seeing his rare pietie and great learning were sufficiently knowne to very many of various rankes who were well acquainted with him and his workes already Printed have given a competent proofe hereof unto all others who have 〈◊〉 them without prejudice and partialitie Only by occasion of publishing this piece wee â—â—we leave to cleare him from such aspersions as by 〈◊〉 have causlesly beene cast upon him and by others too much and too easily believed against him a thing incident to men most eminent and innocent as instances in all Ages will evince not only to the blemishing of his just estimation but also as we conceive to the prejudice of the truth it selfe and in favour of many spreading errours and exorbitances Those aspersions which wee shall endeavour to take off are two which though they openly contradict each other yet they unhappily agree to defame our worthy friend whose credit wee judge our selves many wayes bound to vindicate and preserve The one intimating some degree of declining from his former inconformitie in deserting the Nonconformists cause and grounds being too much inclined to favour the times in our Ceremonies and Service book The other expressing his advancing beyond the wonted limets of a Nonconformist towards the cause and course of separation Two things are pretended to confirme the former 1. A passage in the Preface of his Book called A friendly tryall of the grounds tending to separation c. pag. 3. his words are these Many are the objections which are made against set formes of Prayer and particularly against our booke of Common Prayer All which I have endeavoured to answer severally not because they are of so great weight but because I desired fully to satisfie every doubt c. Secondly that in the whole frame of the same booke he speakes more covertly and coldly against the corruptions of our Church than became a man who continued stedfast in the wayes of Nonconformity For Answer whereunto we affirme in the Generall That upon our knowledge he lived and dyed a strict forbearer and firme opposer of all such corruptions as the Nonconformists heretofore so usually called had commonly by their publike writings disallowed Nor have wee knowne any man in that kinde more precise uniforme and constant to his opinion in discourse prayers and practices yet alwayes carried on with Christian moderation and meekenesse which graces are of singular use in controversies of this nature yea some of us can witnesse his purpose if God had lent him longer life by a set Treatise to have shewed himselfe a plaintiffe for the Nonconformists against the corruptions in our Church as in this hee appeares their defendant against the Calumnies of Master Can. These testimonies may satisfie the sober minded that he continued cordial to their cause whereunto more might be added but wee desire not to revive the remembrance of these differences among deare brethren Because wee pray and hope that through Gods mercy by meanes of our Gracious Sovereigne and of the present Parliament they will in such sort be buried that they shall arise no more to our disturbance and discomfort More particularly to the passage objected out of the forecited Preface we Answer That the words themselvs doe not necessarily imply any such sense but they may admit yea they will carry a better construction if the Reader will be candid and well advised For he saith not that he hath answered the objections as suggesting little or nothing blameworthy in our Liturgie but because they are not of so great weight as to inforce the unlawfulnesse of those set formes or warrant a separation from our Churches and publike worship in regard thereof All which both the title of the Booke and the tenour of the whole discourse therein together with this Treatise exhibited will sufficiently cleare unto the indifferent and attentive Reader And that this was his meaning some of us can testifie from his owne mouth which also he would have manifested to the world if God had lengthened his life either in an Epistle annexed to this worke now brought into the open light or some other way as might have been judged most convenient But you will say Object The other ground of this imputation is more pregnant for why did he not speake out against the corruptions of the times as others did Nay why did he seek to cleaâ— the book of Common Prayer of some things charged upon it Two things we conceive may fully take off the strength of this objection Answ 1. Because it was impertinent here to aggravate or multiply corruptions objected but rather to shew that as in some things the booke by them was overcharged so notwithstanding all that could be alledged against it yet separation from our worship could not be lawfull much lesse necessarie 2 The state of those times wherein this piece was penned would not brooke more plainnesse in that and such like points this we could if it were expedient aboundantly evidence by declaring with what difficultie it passed the Presse what exceptions were taken at some harmelesse expressions and what amendments were exacted in some phrases which seemed somewhat openly to hint the Authors heart-workings towards that Reformation which in these times is much desired and endeavoured The second imputation remaines to be removed viz. that though our Reverend Author had both reasoned and written against the opinions and practice of separation in the time of his health yet on his death bed he did retract and with griefe repent what in that kinde he had done This is commonly reported confidently believed and gladly embraced not only here at home but also in forreigne parts even in
the Altar is put for Christ in the Ancients Ignat. ad Magnesian To one Altar to one Lord Iesus Christ Ad Philadel one Altar to all the Church Iren. adv haeres l 4 ca. 34. est Ergo Altare in caelis Euseb Hist lib. 10. cap. 4. and the flesh of the peace-offering But that all Ordinances of the Church done out of a true constituted Church in your sense should be altogether unlawfull or that the Ordinances are tyed to your Church constitution as the Sacrifices were to the Temple that we reade not and how then shall we be perswaded of it Remember your owne request Let the Scripture speake in the points betweene us for without it nothing is to be affirmed and beyond it nothing to be concluded Principally of old the Temple shaddowed Christ in and through whom we must present our service unto God and then the Church of Christians but that the externall constitution of a Congregationall societie is represented thereby in such sort as if it be thus or thus constituted it should be lawfull to joyne with them but if this or that externall rite be lacking it should be unlawfull to joyne in the worship of God is most unprobable In all ages the Lord hath had his Church in which he hath beene worshipped But evermore the faithfull were not to bring their sacrifices to the Tabernacle or Temple And if the Lord had chosen not that place for sacrifice other service pleasing and acceptable might and ought to bee performed in other places Therefore that Sacrifices should prefigure all Ordinances and exercises of the Christian Church Fulke in Matth. 23. Sect. 7. The Lords Altar that was in the Temple was a figure of Christs onely true sacrifice once offered Bishop Babin comfort notes upon Exod. 27. and the Tabernacle and Temple the externall frame and constitution of a Church is an unwritten tradition It is more reasonable a great deale to compare the externall frame of the Iewish Church with the outward order which God hath instituted for the Evangelicall Churches and worship with worship substance of Religion with substance and then it will follow that as the faithfull and religious Iewes might and ought to hold societie in the Ordinances of Religion when many things were amisse in the externall frame and constitution of the Church as the Priests idle covetous prophane the people dissolute impenitent rebellious so the faithfull in the Christian Church must hold Communion in the Ordinances of Grace though in the constitution of the Church the Officers and members much be out of order Doway annot in 3. booke of Kings pag. 7 15. The Doway glosse hath much more probbaility than yours To conserve unity say they there was but one Tabernacle one Altar for sacrifice in the whole people of Israel Wherupon when the two tribes and an halfe on the other side Iordan had made a severall Altar all the Tribes that dwelt in Canaan suspecting it was for Sacrifice sent presently to admonish them Aug. Epist 48 Quis non impudentissemè c. vid page seq Omnis ea distinctio in re Theologica est inanis fictio quae ex Dei mentiri nescis authoritate non accipitur quaeque rem ipsam de qua agitur tollit c. Martin de persona Christ page 632. c. but what end shall we have if every man upon his owne head may devise or Coyne significations of Gods Ordinances What is this but to bring in a new word to set up Sacraments upon our own heads Herein we say to you and them as you to your opposite I require the voyce of the Shepheard Read it mee out of the Prophets Shew it mee out of the Psalmes c. In the interpretation of the Types and Figures of the Law mens judgements if the Scripture goe not before them are of small credit Can. Stay Sect. 3. Pag. 20.21 If that be true in the Philosopher Opposit a sunt simul natura Arist Topic l. b. 6. Bonum est cujus contrarium est malum Rhetor. l. 1. If vvee take a strâ—ct vievv and enquirie of that Ministery Worship and Government vvhich they left at Dan Bethel it will appear evidently that the same was not more salfe idolatrous and unlawful than the present Ministerie worship and Government of the English Assemblies is by the Non-conformists affirmed to be Jeroboams Apolog in his Arrovv against Idolatry CAN Necess of Sep. p. 85.86 87 88. Course of Comfor p. 161.162 Opposite things in nature are alike Againe That is good whose contrary is evill It must needs followes that as some Churches are visibly true in respect of faith and order so others may bee true too having outward order albeit the members thereof have no faith at all The which assertion is not to bee answered but abhorred The tenne Tribes which departed from the Lord from his Temple Sacrifices Priests Altar and other holy signes of his presence at Ierusalem from the time and still after were not Gods Church so the Scriptures shew Hos 2.2 and 2 Chron. 15.3 Ier. 3.8 Amos 9.7 c. And the Israelites when they worshipped at Dan and Bethel were not in respect of faith and Doctrine more corrupt than the other now is Mr. Amsworth and the Non conformists affirme that the Apostate Iewes could justifia their way and course of Religion as well if not better than the other ANSWER The Philosophicall Maxime to which you have reference is Arist. de Caelo lib. 2. cap. 3. Text. 19. Posito une contrariorum ponitur alterum But as you cite it It is as hard to be found as your translation is to be understood That it is not universall appeareth out of Arist himselfe who putteth down the contrary Maxime as true and certaine Arist Gategor l. c. 11 de contrar Non necessarium est Si contrariorum alterum sit alterum esse Nam si omnes sint sanitas quidem erit morbus non erit So in the first Creation of all things all things were very good and there was nothing evill All things created are finite in act but amongst things created there neither is nor can be a naturall infinite Truth and false-hood good and evill Piety and Idolatry are opposite and that before ever false-hood evill or Idolatry had any being in the world Contraries we know expell one another Or if one be necessary in the subject the other cannot be in it at least in the intense degree as if fire be hot it cannot be cold Now it is necessary that every thing created be finite and good as created and therefore good had a being before evill If it be objected that opposites are relatives and relatives are together in nature the answer is they are relatives secundum dici as they speake not secundum esse which may bee said to be together in nature Not that both are in act existent out of their causes but because the nature of
the ordinary way and meanes Id. Sect. 15. p. 132. which the Scripture speakes of to beget men to the faith For as a false forged constitution makes a Church a reall and substantiall Idoll So all that comes from it is touched with the Idolatry of that constitution This is a ruled opinion of many Divines The State makes all the publike actions to be formally good or evill For as the Temple sanctifieth the gold Matth. 23.17 the Altar the offerings so the Ordinances of the Church under the Gospell are sanctified unto us Bucer in Mat. 23.17 That is as Bucer truely speaketh in the use of them made lawfull to us in that they have their rise from a true and right power Seeing therefore the Church in Question wants a right Constitution it must follow that all spirituall actions done in it whether Prayer Preaching Sacraments Censures as they are there done are none of Gods Ordinances though true it is in themselves they are of God If the false Churches of whom we disputed CAN. Stay Sect. 15. p. 131.132 Id. Sect. 2. p. 8. be that spirituall Babylon mentioned in the Revelation cap. 18.4 then it is unlawfull for Gods people to goe unto them to performe any spirituall or religious action and so consequently not to heare theâ—e But the first is true Ergo the later is true also The proposition needs no proofe because our opposites and we herein are of opinion alike The assumption is manifest by these reasons Artopaeus in Rev. 18. pag. 198. Flac. Illyric in Rev. 18.4 Par. com in Hos 4. pag. 506. Bulling in Apoc. ca. 18. con 76. 1. The words in the Text prove it plainely Come out of her my people that is remove your selves from all false assemblies covenant together to walk in all the wayes of God serve the Lord among your selves in spirit and truth and returne not from whence you are come But repent rather that yee have suffered your Consciences to bee wrought upon by any unlawfull Officers And thus doe the Learned interpret the place namely of such a coming out as that we may not be bodily present at any of their worship 2 Cor. 6.1 Ioh. 5.21 Zech. 11.17 Botlac prompt allegoriar cap. 21. de Minist It is like that filthy bird which carryeth this Motto Contactu omnia saedat The publisher and others with him have comitted appatant Idolatry maintained it in the Church and sought thereby to pervert the right wayes of the Lord. Jd. sect 1. p. 7. Id sect 15. p. 133. A false Church state is rightly likened to the leprosie spread in the wals of the houses of the Lepers because of the pollution which it causeth to the persons and things Take for instance a Citie or Towne if the civill State or Corporation which they have be usurped aevised or derived from a false power all their publike administrations are unlawfull and every one partaking thereof offendeth So all administrations done in a false Church whether prayer Preaching Sacraments Censures are uncleane actions and doe defile every receiver J say because of the Idoll State which is devised out of a mans braine and used as a meanes to serve God in it and by it All the Ordinances done after the invention and will of Antichrist can no otherwise be judged than a brood common to the nature of the breeders that is the Devill and the Whore of Rome the Father and Mother that did beget them ANSWER THe Faithfull are commanded to come out of spirituall Babylon and not to communicate with her in false worship or Idolatry Revel 18.4 as the Text doth confirme and your opposites grant And therein it was needlesse to muster up the testimonies of the Learned to give evidence in a case maintained and practised notoriously sc that we must flye from the society of Rome and not be present to behold their worship Your labour herein is superfluous but that the Names of Learned men here numbred up might serve to cover your nakednesse when you come to the point in controversie wherein you prove just nothing at all But our Churches wherein the Gospell of Christ is purely preached and professed in all points fundamentall the seales of the Covenant of Grace rightly administred who are separaced from spirituall Babylon in mind and body and have fled from her worship and Idolatry who are built upon Christ the true and firme foundation of his Church and by Christ himselfe acknowledged for his people and graced with his favourable presence Our Churches I say cannot be deemed or reputed spirituall Babylon without great injurie to Christ his truth his Church and Saints By spirituall Babylon in this booke of the Revelation is meant Rome Christian departed from the faith guilty of the blood of Saints stained with manyfold and fearfull Idolatries the mother of fornications who hath made drunke the Kings of the earth with the cup of her poysons as might bee confirmed by the Scripture it self the joynt consent of learned orthodox Divines and the testimonie of Papists themselves But to brand the Churches of Christ since the reformation who have renounced Antichrists doctrine worship and idolatries and embraced the intire faith of the Lord Jesus with that odious hatefull name is contrary to the truth of God evident reason and the judgement of all approved godly learned men You miserably corrupt and pervert the Text when you give this to be the sense thereof Remove your selves from all false Assemblies covenant together to walke in all the wayes of God serve the Lord among your selves in spirit and truth and returne not from whence you are come This is not to interpret Scripture and learne of them what wee are to thinke but to racke Scriptures to our sense and make them speake according to our fansies which is an high point of Antichristianisme If you will stand to your principles within two hundred yeares after Christ or lesse there was not one true Christian societie in the whole world which did walke together in all the wayes of God and serve God in a Church state among themselves And will you say the faithfull are charged of God in this passage of holy writ to remove and separate from all Christian assemblies that then were in the world and to serve God among themselves If corruption in doctrine manners worship government and orders make a false assembly Rome was a false assembly long before the Lord gave commandement to his people to depart thence and separate themselves Israel for a time continued in Egypt and Babylon viz. untill the Lord sent to bring them forth and the Church lay hid in Babylon and that by the providence and approbation of God long after Rome was miserably corrupted and defiled The matter is notorious and therefore to spend more words about it is needlesse Hee that considereth the state of things long before the faithfull separated from Rome and what is written in defence of that separation which
his Church howsoever it may in some particular parts of the execution happily bee defective in some places The ordinarie ministerie of our Church is the ordinarie and perpetuall Ministerie given by Christ to his Church Id pag. 10. and such as the Princes of the earth are bound by Gods law to protect and maintaine And if there be any corruption in and about the same which they ought to abolish it is accidental or personall Page 8. and not essentiall to destroy the true nature of the ministerie of God And though it should be granted that our people stand under some kinde of observances and offices which in their own nature and first originall are in some kind Antichristian yet such a manner of standing cannot be said to overthrow though it somewhat staine the Ministery of Christ Thus is the substance of the answer throughout the booke CAN Neces of Separ p. 216 217. But how doe you confute or take away this distinction or weaken the force of this answer That you doe not once assay by Scripture or sound reason but you cry out of shifts and trifling and contradictions beggerly I sayâ—s or ifs base maintenance of the vilest abominations and justification of corruptions generally condemned by the same carnall and corrupt reasons which the Prelates use to doe That it serves to strengthen the hands of the wicked Id. pag. 220. grieve the hearts of the righteous and to discover his owne vile halting and double dealing The dumb dogs caterpillars and idle bellies never had a better proctor than this man to pleade for their unlawfull standing For he saith The Magistrate is bound to protect their Ministerie But how can wee believe him seeing the Nonconformists teach otherwise The rest of your answer is of the same marke which for shame I will not stand to confute You say any one may see by his worke Page 22â— that he meant not to tye his conscience short but would make a little bold with it or the present and so he might fetch over a sure blow upon us He cared not though with every stroke hee made wounds through the sides of his brethren But if you be able bring forth one sentence wherein the indifferent may see that hee hath made bold with his conscience or made the least wound in the side of any brother wherein he hath contradicted himselfe or the nonconformists justified any abomination pleaded for any corruption or spoken one word in defence of dumbe dogs caterpillars or idle bellies And if you cannot do this let the indifferent judge whether you have not offered violence to your conscience and made bold to wound your soule that you might defame the Ministerie of the Gospell and slander the gifts of God in his servants This practice is Antichristian borrowed from the vilest bondslaves of that man of sinne if not from Satan himselfe But I will not defend the Treatisers opinion nor trouble my selfe further to examine your answer to Master Br. That which I am to enquire into is How you prove all the Ministers of the Church of England in respect of their office and standing to be false Prophets or Antichristian If ought can be found to this purpose bare words excepted CAN Stay sect 12 pag. 119 120. If an unlawfull outward calling make an unlawfull Minister then it makes a false Prophet For according to the Scriptures it is all one thing only expressed in divers terms c. We know no meane betweene true Prophets and false for whosoever is not a true Prophet is a false Prophet Id. p. 121. and whosoever is a false Prophet cannot be a true Prophet of God He that is of God is a true Prophet he that is of the Devill is a false Prophet neither doth the deliverie and utterance of some truths make him a true Prophet for then the Devill should be a true Prophet who sometimes speakes the truth albeit to a sinister end Balaam was a very witch a wizard a false Prophet a true sorcerer famous or rather infamous for his Divellish magick which he practised among the wicked idolatrous nation So Attersol and many others so too as Junius Simpson Ferus Canutus and before them Origen Greg. Nazianzene Basil ANSWER As for Balaam whether he were a Witch Wizard or Magician it is not materiall to the point in hand If the Treatiser did put that instance amisse it will not follow that you have truly proved the Ministers of the Church of England to be false Prophets or soundly confuted what hee answered for himselfe And if the Treatisers friends be of your disposition you may soone heare from them that you have answered nothing for you have brought the sayings and opinions of men but reason out of the Scripture you have alledged none to prove him simply a Witch and a false Prophet And if the opinions and sayings of men will serve the turne there bee some that have thought Balaam to be a Prophet of God Tertul. cont Marc. lib. 4. Numb 22.19 2â— 7 Iosh 13.22 Sept. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Trem. Iun Divinum id est qui divinat and that for reasons not to be disregarded Tertullian amongst others thought Balaam to be a true Prophet and such a Prophet as should be numbred among the servants of God because he professeth that he would aske counsell of God and that he would speake nothing but what God should say unto him And he doth not only say so but indeed he propoundeth those things which he had received of God and which consent with truth and pietie In Scripture he is called a Diviner which word is sometimes used in a good sense to note one that doth prophesie true things or wisely and truly divine things to come Prov. 16.10 Sept. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 In. Sagac Pisc Divinatio i.e. quasi divinaâ—io hoc est sogatitas qualis est divinantium Mercer in Prov. 16.10 Isaia 3.3 Iun. Sagacem Pisc Heb. Divinatorem sed hic accipitur in bonam parâ—em Sept. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Conjectorem Hieron ariolum Dovvay Southsayer Moller 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 est quâ—d hoc loco in bonampartem accipitur Car. in Prov. 16.10 quidem frequentissimè in Scriptura usu patur in malam partem pro his qui artibus Diaboâ—iâ—is abdita rimantur sed aliquando etiam ut Isa 13. Ezek. 13.6 usurpatur in bonam partem pro his qui aliquid aâ—cani proponunt quod legitimè vel revelatione divinâ vel solerti mvestigatione assequuti sunt Divination or a wise sentence is in the lips of Kings The Judge and the Prophet the Diviner and the old Man The Prophets divine for silver Mic. 3.11 Sept. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Num. 27.7 Sept. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Vulg. precium divinationis 2 Per. 2.15 Numb 23.27 See Rainold censur praelect 201 B. Hieron alibi nullam illustriorem de adventâ—â— Domini extare prophetiam dicit sci
word which doth ordinarily beget men unto God ought to bee heard yet wee cannot conclude on the contrary the word which doth not ordinarily beget is not to bee heard For the word is but a morall cause or instrument of faith and repentance whereby the Spirit worketh not necessarily but at pleasure If therefore the Spirit worke by the word as his instrument it is of God and wee are bound to heare it But if God worke not by it effectually to saving conversion it is of him notwithstanding So this affirmative is true sinne deserâ—eth death but this negative will not follow on the contrary good works deserve life For of justice death is due to the sinner as his wages but eternall life is the gift of grace The Papists argue thus Disgrace done to an Image tendeth to dishonour God and therefore by the Rule of Contraries Honour done to an Image tendeth to the honour of GOD. Their inference and yours turne both upon the same hinges And I might truly say unto you in your owne words Ibid. Have you not here shewed your selfe an acute disputer for to pull downe Bethel you build Babell to condemne the true hearing of Gods Word you commend Idolatry Consider therfore your owne reasons and be not so rash and hastie to disgrace your brethren Your obscure translating of Philosophicall Canons CAN. Stay Sect. 2. pag 54. CAN. Stay Sect. 9. pag. 100. I will passe over as Relata sunt simul natura which you English thus Relations in nature are alike and apply it as strangely Qualis causa tale causatum you translate thus As is the cause so that which is caused of the doing of the thing Idem qua idem semper facit idem which you render As is the same so alwayes followes the same effect whereby you turne principles or Canons at least into riddles and it is hard to say whether your interpretation bee more obscure or misapplication unreasonable to speake in your language as vaine as ever man made For that which is spoken of causes univocall necessary and proper at least that you referre to morall instruments as if the word preached by wicked instruments might not bee effectuall or a man could not heare an ungodly Minister preach the Gospell but he must partake in his sin CAN. Stay Sect. pag. Sect. 3.16.17 Id. Sect. 4. pag. 28. sect 5. p. 40. sect 1. p. 49. sect 4. p. 62.63 67 72 73 74 75. You are large in proving what is not questioned as that God must bee served as he hath appointed That it sufficeth not to intend a good end but the meanes must bee lawfull That men must not bow their knees to an Idol under pretence that they reserve their hearts unto God That wee must bee earnest and zealous against Idolatry That the matter of worship must be grounded on the word Consciences shall never find any sure port to run unto but only God Calf p. 22. and that it must be done in a right and lawfull manner order form or way That the law of God is the rule of conscience That custom must not prescribe against truth That we must not doe evill that good may come thereof with other the like which you know well your Opposites do believe and maintaine But that God is not worshipped in our assemblies as he hath appointed That to heare the word preached in our congregations is pernicious Idolatry that the means therein be unlawfull that the ministerie is Idolatrous or the worship vaine that you prove not either by Scripture or any learned approved Author whatsoever you bring in both your bookes to this purpose besides your own peremptorie actions may be shut up in few words The Authors which you quote are oftimes abused you mangle their words and make them seeme to speak what they never meant or intended CAN Stay sect 3. p. 57. The truths they teach you say speaking of the Ministers of the English Church are from God but the office which gives them power and charge to speake them is from Antichrist and a speciall character or marke as the learned write of the beast Simon on Rev. pag. 120. Acts Mon. edit 5. pag. 588. On Rev. ca. 14.9 Though Priests Deacons for preaching Gods word ministring the sacramets with provision for the poor bee grounded on Gods law yet have these sects no manner of ground thereof L. Cobh Act. and Mon. p. 514 5â—5 Thus said Iohn Chaydon a Martyr of Christ The Bishops licence to preach the Word of God is the true character of the beast that is of Antichrist The like M. Bale and others But no word sounding that way is to be found in M. Simons Since their law of Confirmation was made saith hee the Bishop with the Chrisme doth signe the partie in the forehead with the character of the crosse And since they made their new office or sacerdotall thus they make their cate chumine The child or partie is brought to the Church doores where the Priest maketh a crosse with his thumb on the forehead of the childe and at the font the priest maketh a crosse in the right hand of the child c. Thus this Author but to your purpose not one word M. Bale was so farre from condemning the office of Bishops simply as Antichristian that hee himselfe was Bishop of Osyris in Ireland And how likely it is then that he should absolutely condemne a Bishops licence to preach the Gospell of Jesus Christ in the Churches of Christ as the mark and Character of the beast let any man judge What he might condemn in some respect and consideration in popish bishops as they stand sworne slaves to that Antichrist of Rome that cannot be drawn to the testimonie of Bishops CAN Neces of separ p. 25â— who have cast off the authoritie and renounced the doctrine of Antichrist And the same may bee answered to the testimonie of John Châ—ydon You many times repeate that upon the Nonconformists grounds to returne unto the service in the Church of England is to joyne with Idolaters in Idolatry This no doubt is a vehement accusation if it can be proved if it be rashly surmised then it is as pestilent a slander But ground out of the Nonconformists for such conclusions you have shewed none nor once take notice of that which is alledged to the contrarie which you could not but see if you could have found any exception against it They doe not deny but there is a visible Church of God in England and therefore your saying of them that they doe almost in plaine and flat tearmes say that we have not so much as any outward face and shew of the true Church argueth that you have almost no love in you which upon one word once uttered contrary to the tenour of their booke T.C. repl 1. p. 8. Vnreasonab of separation p. 81. and course of their whole life surmise this of them Thus a chiefe Nonconformist
long agoe Another in the booke which you pretend to answer and in these very pages He most shamefully and lewdly as a man void of all common honestie and grace maketh the Ministers of Lincoln to affirme that the Prelates are reviled to be great Antichrists and their Ministerie and constitution to be great troublers of the Church at this day and that it cannot but be very sinfull and hurtfull to retaine or communicate with them CAN Stay §. 3. p. 59.69 Raiâ—old de ideloâ—l 2. c. 1. §. 2. Bilson Christ subj part 3. pag. 269. The Divell himselfe can shew no greater malice than to pervert that which is well spoken and to force a lewd senes of his owne or another mans words The Divell himselfe would have beene ashamed in this open manner to have told such a lie and therefore he is to be trusted no further than he is seen This you passe over in silence and if the substance of the accusation bee applyed unto your selfe I know not what apologie you can make Christ saith Rainolds as you quote him the Pastor of his Church doth tell us that he feeds not in Antichristian assemblies in the denne of theeves neither is it his will that his flock should there rest at noone But in the pleasant pasture by the still waters that is in the shadowes of the true Christian Churches detesting Idolatry But D. Rainolds words are not in caetibus papisticis speluncis idolâ—latrarum c. but in untbraculis orthodoxorumcatuum Whether this change of Antichristian Assemblies for popish Assemblies and true Christian Churches for Orthodox Assemblies CAN Stay § 3. p 22. D. 〈◊〉 by words and Letters testimoniall 2â—4 wâ— made in simplicitie be judge your selfe You might easily conjecture your credulous reader might conceit our assemblies to be Antichristian and not true Churches but popish Assemblies and not Orthodox he could not imagine them to be You alledge D. Amos saying It cannot be a true Church that wants order For by this the parts and members thereof are knit together But this is not to bee found in the place mentioned But D. Aines moving the question whether it be lawfull to stick to that Church from whom power of removing scandals and purging out the ungodly is taken away He answereth That power â—jure quoad actum primum cannot be separated from the true Church because immediately and necessarily it floweth from the essence it selfe for it is contained in that covenant whereby the faithfull are gathered into a Church The use of this power cannot be taken away without the great sin of them that take it away and the hainous injurie of them from whom it is taken Neither ought the Church to rest in this that she seeth her selfe unjustly oppressed of others For it belongeth to the office of the Church to defend that libertie where with she is endowed of Christ But yet if the faithfull contending for their libertie cannot obtaine their right in that part nor without grievous inconveniences come to a more free Church and can keepe themselves from the approbation of evill and doe also studie as much as in them lieth to supply that want they sinne not if they joyne themselves to such a Church or continue in it Thus D. Ames cleane contrary to that which you make him affirme Master Baines as you alledge him writes CAN Stay sect 2. p. 55. Bain diocesan That no people can worship God in repairing to any Church or ministery without warrant of the Word Let the Reader note it say you And if it be wisely noted it makes nothing against partaking in our assemblies in the ordinances of Grace because that is warranted approved commanded of God in his holy Word But Master Baines words are No people can worship God in repairing to this place and ministerie without warrant of his Word And he speakes of a Diocesan worship and ministerie peculiarly appropriated to that place as it was at Hierusalem which is nothing to your purpose You pretend that you have taken your principles out of the Nonconformists ever the chiefest of them which for learning CAN Neces of separ To the Read zeale judgement holinesse of life c. have ever held that cause But some things brought in their names is neither the opinion of all nor of the most nor of the best learned nor of many but either the private opinion of some one or the conceit of such indeed as were separated from the communion of the Church of England and not from the abuses only which were in the Church You cite Master Penry saying CAN stay sect 3. p. 57. M. Penry of the Ministerie of the Church of Engl. p. 37.38 CAN Neces of separ p. 16 28.43 Exhortation to the government of Wales 42 46 26 CAN Neces of separation Epist to the Reader CAN Neces of separ p. 252. It is most certaine Satan rules in the consciences of men not only by false doctrine but also by his false power and ordinances his kingdome of darknesse not only consisteth in the lies false doctrin and worship which he hath coined but also in the false and Antichristian ordinances which he hath invented for the ruling of his idolatrous denne And therefore the children and Saints of God ought to avoid both the one and the other But whatsoever his meaning bee in that or other passages cited Master Penry was not a Nonconformist but a Separatist by your owne confession and therefore his sayings are not to bee received for the Nonconformists principles Master Br. saith It is lawfull to communicate in that worship where the ceremonies are used but wee cannot believe him say you for his brethren both affirme and prove the contrary And here now is a fit place to write down the words wherof mention was made in p. 99. partly because the author is a principle Nonconformist and partly to discover the rashnesse and folly of this inconsiderate man which durst without any reason more than boldnesse still justifie the very thing which his brethren by many sound arguments have manifested to be evill and unlawfull and then you goe on to rehearse the words of the author of a dispute upon communicating at confused communions pag. 68.69 Who that Author is I know not the booke I have not seen but by the words which you relate it appeares hee was no English Nonconformist neither doth he speake of communicating in our English societies And if he did he speakes but his private opinion and not what is the judgement of Nonconformists It may be questioned whether Master Br. booke was not penned and published before hee could either see or thinke of the other But whatsoever is to be thought in that particular M. Br. knew it to bee the common practice and uniforme judgment of all Nonconformists in England both heretofore and at that present when he wrote that it is lawfull A dispute against Engl. part 1. ca. 9. sect 3.
against Martiall Preface to the reader Bellarm. lib. 3. de justifi c. 8. Non potest aliquid certuÌ„ esse certitudine fidei nisi aut immediate contineatur in verbo Dei aut ex verbo Dei per evidentem consequentiaÌ„ deducatur Park de pol. Eccl. l. 1. c. 1.4 Separabant se sacerdotes et Levitae qui Deum timebant 2 Chro. 11.14 Atqui haec separaâ—â—o ab Israelitis idolatris erar quâ— legemcult umque Dei per idola Ieroboam fundamentaliter sustulerunt Aug. de unit eccl c. 16. Let the Donatists if they can shew their Church not in rumors and speeches of the men of Africa nor in the couÌ„cels of their Bishops nor in the discourses of any writer whatsoever nor in the signes and miracles that may be forged but in the prescript of the Law in the predictions of the Prophets in the verses of the Psalmes in the voyces of the Shepheard himselfe c. that all devised false and idolatrous worship is to be abhorred is confessed and professed by Conformists and Nonconformists It is a constant received position That nothing ought to be tolerated in the Church as necessary unto salvation or as an article of faith except it be expresly contained in the word of God or manifestly to be gathered therefrom and that all ceremonies are to be rejected wherein there is placed opinion of merit worship or necessitie to salvation But that the worship tendred to God in the English Congregations is devised false idolatrous that the Nonconformists never said nor thought and whosoever shall rashly affirme it he shall never be able to make proofe thereof by the word of God If any rite prescribed in the book of Common-prayer be worship in the use thereof the word being taken in a large signification that is not so in the intention and profession of the Church nor apprehended to be so in them that conforme unto it neither doth it defile the worship of God to them that joyne in the ordinances of grace notwithstanding the corruption which in their judgement is annexed to it and practised by some For notwithstanding such corruption or abuse the worship it selfe is that which God hath prescribed approved blessed to them that seeke his face aright and serve him unfeignedly whereat he requireth our presence and wherein he hath promised to sup with us and we with him That the Non-conformists should affirme the worship of God or ministery in the English Assemblies to be as false idolatrous and unlawfull as was the worship of Jeroboam at Dan and Bethel is a most lewd and impudent slander which the sworne shavelingâ— of Antichrist whose profession is to lye and slander for the catholique cause would blush to vent You know it is contrary to their judgement practice prosession and protestations many times renewed Whether the phrase be tolerable or no if you will be prodigall to pawne your head in this case take heed lest you loose it not in Gods cause but in your owne And if you shall be desperate herein your forwardnesse will move no wise man for Religion is to be learned from the truth of God and not from the high adventures of inconsiderate men The Non-conformists can prove the Religion and worship of the Church of England to be of God not by petty reasons and colourable shewes which they leave to them that maintaine a bad cause but by pregnant evidence from the word of truth not by similitudes allegories and forced interpretations of Scripture as you dispute against it but by plaine texts of Scripture and sound reason deduced therefrom against which the gates of hell shall never prevaile The Author of that Booke Bilson Christ subject part 4. p. 349. This is the doubt betwixt us whether we should coÌ„tent our selves with such meanes as he hath devised for us and coÌ„mended unto us thereby daily to renew the memory of our Redemption or else inveÌ„t others of our own heads fit perhaps to provoke us to a naturall and humane affection but not fit to instruct ourfaith c. He knowing that images though they did intertaine the eyes with some delight yet might they snare the souls of many simple silly persons and preferring the least seed of sound faith beholding adoring him in spirit truth before all the dumbe shewes and Imagerie that maÌ„s wit could furnish to win the eye Can. Neces of Separat c. 2. p. 78 79. 254. according to a prescript form culled out of the blasphemous Mass-book 238. That which was takeÌ„ out of the vile Masse-booke c. Sold. â—aâ—w T. C. repl 1. pag. 130. Abridg. p. 89. Adm. 1. p. 9. 2. Adm. p. 41. Fall of Babyl â—9 Altar Damasc pag. 612 613. Syons plea. 29. Perth Assemb 64. Syons plea. 30. pag. 40. 〈…〉 intituled The course of Conformitie sheweth that the Israelites might in generall pretend for Jeroboams calves the same excuses that were made in defence of some corruptions thrust upon the Church of Scotland but the corruptions he doth not make to be like nor the pretences to be of equall validitie nor the state of the Church where such corruptions are tollerated to be the same with the state of the Israelites who worshipped the Calves Abuses that agree in the generall nature of abuse may be coloured with the same pretences when they be not of the same weight qualitie or degree the one may be small the other hainous The same distinction may be brought to countenance the vilest heresie and a petty errour if I may so speake Heresie and Idolatry are both talkative and who doubts but corrupt wits can say much in defence of both shall we thence conclude that errour or heresie are both one every abuse is grosse idolatry The Author you quote was not so unadvised His drift was onely to shew the vanitie of such excuses and not to match the things pleaded for with Jeroboams Idolatry as hath been shewed before But let us see whether you can alledge any colourable shew or petty reason to prove our worship to be false and idolatrous The whole forme of the Church-service is borrowed from the Papists peiced and patched together without reason or order of edification yea not onely is the forme of it taken from the Church of Antichrist but surely the matter also For none can deny but it was culled and picked out of that popish dunghill the portius and vile Masse-booke full of all abhominations From three Romish Channels I say was it raked together namely the Breviarie out of which the common prayers are taken out of the Rituall or booke of Rites the administration of the Sacraments Buriall Matrimony Visitation of the sick are taken and out of the Masse-booke are the Consecration of the Lords Supper Collects Gospels and Epistles And for this cause it is that the Papists like so well of the English Masse for so King James used to call it and makes them say Surely the Romish is the true and
right Religion Else the Heretiques in England would never have received so much of it For some have avouched it to my face saith the Author of the Curtaine of Church-power that the service there is nothing to the Masse in the English others that it wants nothing but the Popes consecration These things thus retrived it was also thought that popish Kings and Princes would be the lesse offended what marvaile seeing the Jesuites themselves are so well pleased with the ceremonies and service that I heard one of them God is my witnesse herein make it his hope that the maintenance of them against the Puritans would make England the sooner returne to Rome in the rest Quâ—vadis sec 4. Mine eyes and eares saith Bishop Hall can witnesse with what approofe and applause divers of the catholique royall as they are termed entertained the new translated Liturgies of our Church Which is the lesse wonder seeing Pope Pius the fourth sending Vicentio Parpatia Cambd. An. 1560. Abbot of Saint Saviours to Queene Elizabeth offered to confirme the English Liturgie by his Authoritie if shee would yeeld to him in some other things Indeed it pleased them so well Fresh suit l. 1 203. that for the first eleven yeares of Queene Elizabeth Papists came to the English Church and service as the Lord Cooke sheweth L. Cooke de jure Regis Eccles f. 34. Syons plea. 49.91 Others of them affirme the same namely their Church-service pleaseth marveilous well the Romish Beast and his ungodly followers Witnesse the Pacification of the Devonshire-Papists in the time of King Edward the sixth when as they understood it was no other but the very Masse-booke put into English Witnesse also the assertion of Dr Carrier a dangerous seducing Papist The common-prayer-booke saith he and the Catechisme conteined in it hold no point of doctrine expresly contrary to Antiquitie that is Consider pag. 45. sect 8 9. as he explaineth himselfe the Romish-service onely hath not enough in it And for the doctrine of predestination Sacraments grace free-will and sin c. The new Catechismes and Sermons of the Puritan-preachers run wholly against the common-prayer and Catechisme therein conteined c. Motiv Preface to the Answ And thereupon he comforteth himselfe upon the hope of the supply of the rest To this effect speaketh Bristow and Harding If these things be right why not the rest It shall not be amisse to marke one occurrence in Queene Elizabeths time who being interdicted by the Popes Bull Secretary Walsingham tryed a tricke of State-policy to reverse the same He caused two of the Popes Intelligencers at the Popes appointment to be brought as it were in secret into England to whom he appointed a guide being a State Intelligencer who should shew them in Canterbury and London service solemnly sung and said with all their pomp and procession Which order the popish Intelligencers seeing and so much admiring they wondred that their Master would be so unadvised as to interdict a Prince or State whose service and ceremonies so symbolized with his owne So returning it the Pope they shewed him his oversight affirming that they saw no service ceremonies or Church-order's in England but they might have very well beene performed in Rome whereupon the Bull was presently called in That which you alledge against the English-Service-booke in particular Answer you intend against all set-formes of prayer or stinted Liturgies whatsoever For the use of them is a false devised idolatrous antichristian worship in your account Thus you know your Brethren of the Separation have disallowed all set and stinted formes Johnson Ainsworth Robinson Greenewood c. as humane inventions forbidden in the second Commandement Images Will-worship Idol-prayers False-worship Lip-labour c. And you your selfe insist upon this principle of the Nonconformists as the cause of Separation from the Church of England that all formes of worship not prescribed of God are will-worship which if it maketh against one holdeth against all prescribed Liturgies Can. Neces of Separat pag. 114. Id. pag. 115. Againe you confesse that every Church is not to be forsaken or left which hath something in it by participation idolatrous And therefore our Service is not devised worship because it is taken out of the Masse-booke as you alledge but simply because it is devised whencesoever it had its originall if it be devised worship First therefore we must consider the matter in generall Oylsâ—hil speaking of Images brought into the Church saith Wee might justly condemn the whole faithlesse fond invention For it was but a will-worship a naughtie service having no ground of the Word of God and onely spring of errour Calf Preface to the Reader testifieth Bilson Christ subject part 2. p. 297. That Princes may prescribe what faith they list what service of God they please what forme of administration of the Sacraments they thinke best is no part of our thought or point of our doctrine yet that Princes may by their lawes prescribe the right faith to bee preached the right service of God in spirit and truth to be used c. T. C. repl 1. pag. 8. Park of the Crosse par 1. ca. 4. sect 7. pag. 177. A. W. ans to late popish Artic. p. 73. and then try what is alledged against our booke of Common-prayer These words Formes of worship may be taken two wayes First to note the substantiall parts or meanes of worship and in this sense it is most true That all formes of worship not prescribed of God are unlawfull and false worship because devised by men Secondly To note a bare order methode or phrase wherein divine Service is performed And in this sense the Nonconformists never said That all formes of worship not prescribed are false or devised worship For they know that no forme is determined and prescribed of God precisely in all parts of his worship and where none is set apart by his Majestie it is a breach of his Commandement and devised worship to place an opinion of worship in the simple order or phrase of speech used in prayer or administration of holy things The Nonconformists condemne not a Liturgie or stinted forme of prayer but desire that all things therein might be ordered as doth tend most to edification Whatsoever exceptions they have taken against our Booke of Common-prayer they never disliked the use of it so far as they judged it sound and good They doe not condemne it wholly but finde fault with it as in some points disagreeing with the word of God What hath beene their seeking from time to time a razing of the Communion Booke No but a purging and filing of it after the patterne of that care which former examples set us The Booke of Common-prayer they condemne not as a wicked and ungodly Booke much lesse the Service as false devised and idolatrous but they have and doe use the booke and professe their readinesse so to doe onely they desire to
the word and elements Bilson Christ subject part 4. p. 356. To the Papists objecting that as Magistrates Parents have part of Gods externall honour because they present his person in judging and blessing so many Images have part of his externall though not of his internall honour Answer is truly returned It is not in your hands to make allowance of Gods honour to whom you list and againe God himselfe hath made a plaine prohibition in this case that Images shall have no part of his externall honour The words are as cleare as day light Thou shalt no bow downe to them Tho Beacon Catech in his workes in fol. printed at London Ann. 1562. f. 484. Fox in Osor lib. 3. pag. 27. The Booke of Common-prayer before the Communion Cypr. Ep. 63. ad Caecisiâ—m Justin Martyr in Apol. 2 Iren. lib. 4. cap. 34 lib. 5. cap. 4. Gratian. Decret part 3. de Conseâ—r dist 2. cap. 10.12 18.36 Durand rational divin offic lib. 4. cap. 5â— how comes it to have those things which are so directly contrary to the Masse that both cannot possibly stand together In our booke of Common-prayer we pray to God onely in the mediation of Jesus Christ and in a knowne language We professe that Christ by one oblation of himselfe once for all hath made a full perfect and sufficient satisfaction for the sinnes of the whole world that he hath commanded a perpetuall remembrance of his death and passion in that his ordinance of the Supper and that the Sacrament is to be administred in both kinds the Minister and the people communicating together were these things taken out of the mass-Masse-booke The Church of Rome joyneth the two first Commandements in one or taketh away the second thereby to cloake their Idolatry in the worshipping of Images But the common-prayer-booke of the Church of England divideth them into two therein following two of the Fathers at most excepted all Antiquitie and fetteth downe the words of the second Commandement at large The Church of Rome teacheth that in the Sacrament of the Eucharist the body and bloud of Christ is received and eaten carnally that as much is received in one kinde as in both and that in the Masse Christ is offered 〈…〉 a propitiatory unblouddy Sacrifice for the sinnes of 〈◊〉 and dead But the common-prayer-booke of the Church of England in the forme of administring that Sacrament teacheth expresly That spiritually by faith wee feed on him in our hearts eating and drinking in remembrance that Christ dyed and shed his bloud for us In the Masse the Priest receiveth alone the people standing by gazing on but the Minister and people are appointed with us to communicate together according to the institution of Christ and practice of the primitive Church We make the communion of the Eucharist properly a Sacrament They a Sacrament and a Sacrifice propitiatory They celebrate at an Altar wee at a Table according to the example of our Saviour Christ his Apostles and the primitive Church in the purest times Wee pray for the living They for the living and dead And if these be not points directly and expresly contrary to the Romane service Rome is much departed from her selfe Carriers pretence in that particular is a meere jugling trick that he might insinuate a change of Religion might be made among us without any great alteration which is as likely as the light should be turned into darknesse and not espied If many points of Popery be not condemned expresly in the Catechisme or Service-booke which are for the instruction of the simple in the grounds of Religion and the administration of the holy things of God and not to shew what is condemned in Religion yet so many points are there taught directly coÌ„trary to the foundation of Popery that it is not possible Popery should stand if they take place And whereas Antichristianisme standeth in ungodly superstructions and additions to the truth and worship of God both matter and object if the Catechisme and Service-booke have not enough in them in his sense of necessitie they contradict the whole bulke of Popery which confisteth in abhominable superfluities or impious inventions of their owne It is mone proper to say the Masse was added to our common-prayer than that our common-prayer was taken out of the Masse-booke For most things in our common-prayer were to be found in the Liturgies of the Church long before the Masse whereof wee speake was heard of in the world And the Masse was patched up by degrees and added to the Liturgie of the Church now one peice then another so that the ancient truths and holy Liturgies were at last stained with the Idoll of the Masse Bishop Jewel Ser. on Josh 6.1 2 3. The things that may bee reserved viz. in the destruction of Hiericho must not bee dust or chasse or hay or stubble But gold silver iron and brasse I meane they may not be things meet to furnish maintaine superstition but such things as be strong and may serve either directly to serve God or els for comelinesse and good order which was sacrilegiously thrust into them But the prayers and truths of God taught in that Booke pertained to the Church as her prerogative the Masse and the abhominations thereof belonged into the man of sinne And if a true man may challenge his goods which the theese hath drawne into his denne the Church of God may lawfully make claime unto those holy things which Antichrist hath unjustly usurped That answer which is returned to the accusation makes against them that sue for discipline viz. That a great part of their discipline is borrowed from the Anabaptists will serve as a buckler in this case And it is this which I doubt not you will approve Whatsoever is proper either to the heresie of Papists and Anabaptists Donatists or Puritanes that wee utterly condemne to the pit of hell But if amongst the filth of their heresies there may be found any good thing as it were a graine of good corne in a great deale of Darnell that we willingly receive not as theirs but as the Jewes did the holy Arke from the Philistins T. C. repl 2. par 1. Epistle to the Chh of England whereof they were unjust owners For herein that is true that is said The sheepe must not lay downe her fell because shee seeth the Wolfe sometimes cloathed with it August lib. 2. Serm. de Monte yea it may come to passe that the Synagogue of Satan may have some one thing at one time with more convenience than the true and catholique Church of Christ Bishop Jewel Ser. in Iosh 6.1.2.3 In religion no part is to be called little A haire is but little yet it hath a shadow If our Booke please the Papists it is but in some things wherein in reverence to Antiquitie we come too nigh them in some rites and ceremonies but with the substance of the ministration it selfe they cannot be pleased unlesse they be
heart men pretend to detest Idolatry vaine needlesse presence where Idolothites are used as to eate of things sacrificed to Idols in the place of their Idoll-banquet or to sit downe though he doe not eate is scandalous and offensive but presence at Gods worship which God hath commanded where Christ is present to meete welcome and blesse his servants though some things by participation Idolatrous be retained or used therein is neither sinfull nor offensive it carrieth no evill appearance of approbation or consent This distinction of personall and ministeriall sinnes as it is here applied I never found in the writings of Nonconformist and in it selfe it is a meere invention and device which hath no ground from Scripture and must have no place in Divinitie For if the Minister be ignorant proud carelesse prophane corrupt in judgement superstitious in some observations be these sinnes personall or publique and Ministeriall If personall then should not they hurt the people if this be true which here you affirme But when you are directly crosse to your selfe throughout your whole booke If publique and ministeriall then the people are guilty of the Ministers ignorance carelesnesse pride passion indiscretion c. And if these be publique and ministeriall I desire to know what is a personall and what a ministeriall fault If a Minister in preaching or prayer put up a rash petition or deliver a rash sentence give a weake reason an unsound tryall use vaine repetitions a confused methode if he mis-interpret the Scripture or doe not soundly deduce his doctrines out of the Text he taketh upon him to expound if he divide it not aright or some way misapply it are these publique and ministeriall or personall and private faults if personall I desire to know what makes a fault ministeriall and publique and see it proved If that which is done by a Minister in preaching and prayer blessing and administration of the Sacraments be not ministeriall I know not what is to be called ministeriall If they be publique and ministeriall then whosoever communicates with a Minister in the worship of God he is guilty of all the sins publiquely committed by him in this kind if that distinction be of any worth Which if it be granted If I may judge of your preaching by your writing it is high time for all your hearers to hast from you for you mis-alleadge Scripture slander the godly speake evill of the wayes of God teach many falshoods and whiles they joyne with you in the worship of God they are partakers of your transgression The exposition which is made of publique and ministeriall faults to wit such as he performeth for the people to God is as strange if not more strange then the distinction it selfe as it is applyed For in preaching the Word and reading the Scripture a ministeriall fault may be committed which is not performed for the people to God In prayer the faults of the Minister are not ever ministeriall if we may beleeve the forenamed distinction and yet prayer is an action performed for the people to God And let that description stand and the use of our ceremonies are no ministeriall faults for they are neither performed for the people unto God nor from God unto the people as the Church professeth But I have stood too long about these things because in the first Chapter the contrary hath been shewed at large And if Mr Bates be truely alledged in this particular that bare presence in his conceit was approbation yet this is a peece of cunning in you not very commendable that you bring the private judgement of one man as if it was the common principle of the chiefest Inconformists For so you doe in this place and so a little h Can. Neces of Separat pag. 96. before you say the strictest Inconformists affirme that it is utterly unlawfull for Parents to bring their children to be crossed for which you cite onely the testimony of the forenamed Author And yet within a few leaves you are not ashamed to say in the names of many at least i Can. Neces of Separat pag. 118. Note here how greatly they contradict one another They said even now that their ceremonies are such Idolls as a man cannot lawfully joyne with that worship where they are used yet here they say that they are not worse than were the superstitions in the Jewes worship unto which Christ and his Apostles joyned The chiefe thing here to be noted is your unconscionable dealing First you pretend to set downe the principles of the Nonconformists and to inferre upon their grounds the necessitie of separation when you relate nothing lesse than that which they affirme Secondly The k Beza Epist 2. Verum inquient ut nō inquinemur eorum peccato attamen favere eorum errorem sic videbitur Imò ne hoe quidem satis recte dicitur Quid enim absurdius est quà m cum accusare tanquam alieni vitiis fautorem qui ut fratrem lucratur ejus infirmitatem rolerat Tibi non frangitur panis sed integer datur laudari sane id nō potest nec debet at tu certe id peccatum non committis quod in te potius committitur opinion of one man walking alone you charge upon all or the chiefest of the Nonconformists who dissent as much from him therein as he doth from the most rigid Separatist Thirdly He saith not That our Ceremonies are Idolls but speaks of the Crosse onely and if he say of the use thereof as it is amongst us that it is Idolatry it is that which he can never prove nor Inconformist will take upon him to justifie And if bare presence be approbation and consent all worship must be forsaken which hath any thing annexed unto it erroneous irreverent superstitious in the manner of performance by the Minister for wee must not doe the least evill for the greatest good Fourthly Whatsoever you can make of our Ceremonies or other abuses and corruptions in the worship of God I doe not thinke you can bring forth any one Nonconformist that ever said the use of the Ceremonies amongst us are worse than the superstitions and corruptions in the Jewes worship in the dayes of our Saviour Christ and his Apostles unto which worship our Saviour and his Apostles joyned themselves Thirdly You alledge the l A dispute against the English-popish Epist to all reform Though some of the cōtroverted ceremonies have bin kept and reserved in many not all the reformed churches yet they are not therefore to be the better liked of For the reason of the reservation was because some reverend Divines c. is scarcely expected to effectuate so much as the purging of the Church from fundamentall errors and grosse Idolatry which wrought them to be content that lesser abuses in Discipline and Church-government should then be tolerated c. All which since they were once purged away from the Church of Scotland c. Author of the
Dispute upon communicating at confused Communions affirming that the sitter is accessary to the sinne of the kneeler But he was no English-Nonconformist nor doth intreat of English conformitie And if there be any speciall reasons why presence should be accounted approbation with them in that particular it is no equitie his private opinion should be brought to the prejudice of them that maintaine another cause But as yet we cannot see either from Scripture grounds or Nonconformists principles that it is utterly unlawfull to be present at the worship of God in the administration whereof some superstitious rite is used or some fault committed Your long labour in setting downe the faults to be found in our Liturgie is to small purpose The Nonconformists doe except against many things appointed in the Booke as inconvenient at least and such as should be taken away or reformed as The reading of Apocryphall books under the title of holy Scripture specially such parts as be corrupt for matter The Crosse and Surplice as Idolothites by participation and signes of mysticall signification The corruptions in the translations and some things in the formes of Buriall Matrimony Thanksgiving for Women after child-bed c. But these they condemne not as Idolatry nor as that which maketh the worship it selfe m Magdeburg centu 2. ca. 2. col 109. A true Church as it containes the pure doctrine so also it keepes simplieitie of ceremonies but an hypocriticall Church as it departs from pure doctrine so for the most part it changeth augmenteth the ceremonies instituted of God and multiplieth its owne traditions c. Can. Stay pa. 123. false and idolatrous It is one thing to say such a rite is inconvenient superstitious scandalous borrowed from the Papists not warranted by the word of God in the use will-worship if the word be taken largely another that the worship it selfe is false and idolatrous Therefore I will not stand to examine the particulars therein but proceed to examine what you bring further to shew the necessitie of Separation SECT IV. HEre is a fit place to propound a Question or two First whether to hold teach and practise the errours and lyes contained in their Canons Service-booke Booke of Articles and the ordering of Bishops Priests and Deacons doe mak◠a false Prophet Secondly Whether to hide from the people the knowledge of all the maine truths which concerne the outward regiment of Christs visible Church make a false Prophet Thirdly Whether it be lawfull to heare any false Prophet knowne so to be Qu In what ranke of Prophets unlawfull Ministers be and under what Scripture they are comprehended I would have a private Christian aske this Question of some learned Divine whom he knowes doth hold it lawfull to heare false Ministers And it is very likely he will answer him with deep silence There is one Question more viz. whether the Lords lawfull Priests which served at the Altar in Jerusalem might not as well urge their people to heare Jeroboams Priests at Dan and Bethel as the Ministers now under the Gospell to perswade men to heare in false Churches If is be not all one shew the difference ANSVVER TO your two last Questions answer hath been made divers times in sundry Treatises and in the first chapter of this present answer and you know the Scriptures plainly alledged to confirme what is said which you should have confuted if you had been able and not againe and againe to come over with the same thing If any learned Divine shall answer the demand with deep silence it may be because the partie demanding is uncapable of an answer not because there is any great difficultie in the matter It is a received Rule That the Accuser Plaintiffe and Affirmer should make proofe of what they say and if you erre your Questionist will affirme it is all one for the people of the Jewes to heare Jeroboams Priests at Dan and Bethel and the people in England to heare the word of God in our assemblies you must either bring good evidence for what you say or beare the brand of Slaunderers or false n Beza Epist 2. An enim obsecro aliter est de Sacramētis i. de doctrinae appendicibus quà m de ipsa doctrina judicandum At qui si nullam esse ecclesiā dicamus ubi nullus est prorsus in cunctis doctrinae Christianae dogmatibus naevus refellent nos Pauli Epistolae Corinthiacis et Galaticis Ecclesiis inscriptae c. Itaque ubi non satis pura est Ecclesiâ Ecclesia tamen est in qua salvum manet fundamentum ac multo magis ubi ritus Caenae Domini mutilus est Caena tamen est c. Accusers Is it sufficient thinke you to say If it be not so let them shew the contrary Your second Question will come to be handled in the next Chapter and there it shall be answered Your first Question onely which I scarce thinke another man would have asked pertaineth to this place wherunto I answer directly and plainly That a Minister of the Gospell may hold teach and practise according to the Book of Common Prayer Articles and Ordination and be a true Minister of Jesus Christ Nay he cannot truely hold and practice according to them but of necessitie he must be a true Minister in respect of his office and administration For the worship for substance there prescribed is of God the doctrine professed in respect of faith and Sacraments sound and true No errour either in speech hereticall or which doth tend to overthrow the foundation which is taught in them Suppose the seventie errours which o Can. Neces of Separat pag. 243 244 245. you reckon up were all true and justly taken against the Books and as many more to them might be named as it is not the number but the qualities of the errours which make a false Prophet false Church or false worship One fundamentall errour as the word is commonly used overthroweth the faith and twenty errours of inferiour alloy doe not much hurt the truth and soundnesse of faith The maine truths which concerne the very life and soule of Religion be p Vsher de success Eccl. cap. 1. few and the failings which may stand with the substance of Religion many Let it aske a better wit and head then ever Mr Dar. or your q Can. Neces of Separat pag. 185. selfe had to prove that there are halfe so many corruptions in the Religion professed by the English-Anabaptists adde if you please the Separatists Pelagians Arrians as are to be found in the English-Liturgie It will not be hard to prove that errours must be r The communion of the Catholique Church is not broken by the varietie of rites customes laws and fashions which many places and countries have different each from other except they be repugnant to faith or good manners August Epist 118. ad Ianuar. Euseb hist lib. 5. cap. 26. lib. 5. c. 23. Socrat. lib.
Arian infection both in the reignes of Constantius and Julian the Apostata Athanas Graecolar tom 1. pag. 309. edit Comelit Theodor. hist l. 4. c. 3. Pelagius a Britaine by birth troubled the Churches with his pestilent Doctrine denying the grace of God attributing power and libertie to man to live without sinne and keepe the Commandements if he would This Heresie arose about the yeare 405. or 406. and the Author thereof drew his first breath in Britaine Prudent 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Trim. 13. speaking of Cyprian saith Gallos fovet imbuit Britannos praesidet Hisperiae Christum serit ultimis Hiberis Vsser de prim Eccles Britan. ca. 16. pag. 787. but he sowed not this hereticall doctrine in Britaine And though it must be confessed That these Churches were not altogether free from that infection yet at first it was opposed and after it was banished by the blessing of God About the yeare 420. flourished Fastidius of whom Gennedius in his catalogue of Ecclesiasticall Writers saith Fastidius Bishop of the Britaines wrote to Fatalis one booke of Christian life and another of keeping Widdow-hood in sound doctrine and according to the truth of God And John Trithemius Fastidius Bishop of the Britaines was a man learned in the holy Scriptures and an excellent Preacher of the word of God famous in life and conversation in speech and wit notable Prosper contra collater cap. 41. Vsser de prim pag. 319 320 323 324. He wrote some devout little works c. And by the vigilancy and care of Lopis and Germanus Antisiodorensis the Britaines were delivered from the contagion which had begun to infect the Churches After this the face of things was miserable in that Kingdome by reason of the invasion of the g Repellūt nos barbari ad mare repellit mare ad barbaros Inter haec duo genera funerū aut jugulamur autmergimur Bed hist eccl l. 1. cap. 14. Bilson The true difference betweene Christians Par. 1. pa. 56. That this Land was infected with Arianisme Pelagianisme as many other places then were I find it reported in the story of Beda Eccl. his gent. Angl. l. 1. c. 8. lib. 1. cap. 17. And the Bishops of France our neighbours upon request made unto them by the Britaines sent Germanus and Lupus two French Bishops chosen in a Synod by the generall liking to convert this realm from Pelagius errour which also they did with great celeritie barbarous enemy the terrible famine the direfull contagion of the Pelagian and Arian heresies and the loosenesse negligence drunkennesse contentions and other vices of the Clergie The Christian Religion thus corrupted was restored againe by the second comming of Germannus but after that grievously oppressed by the comming in of the Anglo-Saxons who could not yet so extinguish the truth of God but it did revive spread and grow though sometimes more pure sometimes more corrupt and sometimes with greater sometimes with lesse freedome But to come to the last reformation which was made of Religion in this Land and it was not the conversion of England from infidelitie to the profession of the Gospell but the restoring of it from a corrupt state or profession to a more pure from Christianitie polluted to Christianitie unpolluted Christians they were who inhabited this Land baptized into the true faith of Jesus Christ but Christians defiled with manifold superstitions led aside into manifold errors which errors and superstitions removed they become sound and true Christians indeed The true h Chaloner Credo S 2. part sect 2 It will soone appeare that the Ch◠of Rome for a thousand yeares after our Saviour professed no other faith nor published any other beliefe in points fundamentall either negative or affirmative than we doe c. After a thousand and some few yeares more were expired Transubstantiation and Adoration of the Host with other dregs of Antichrist being established though we cannot say that the Church of Rome was from thence forth absolutely our Church yet we may boldly say that our church was from that time untill Luther both within the Romane Church and without it Church lay hid in Popery as a little oare in a great lump of drosse not refined not purified not coyned but true gold for substance yea that very same for substance which being purified and stamped is currant coyne When the invocation of Saints worshipping of Images the Latine Service and fabulous Legends the sacrifice of the Masse and adoration of the Sacrament with such like abhominations were taken away and in the roome thereof the true worship of one true God in the mediation of Jesus Christ and the right administration of the Sacraments and the reading of the holy Scriptures in a knowne tongue established when the omnipotency of the Pope is abandoned with all corrupt superstitions which did undermine the foundation it selfe and in stead thereof the intire faith of the Lord Jesus in all points necessary to salvation taught professed and received then is the Church refined and separated from that drosse To bring Infidells from the state of infidelitie to the faith it is necessary that instruction goe before either by reading exhortation preaching or report of Christian faith for faith commeth by hearing But where men professe Christianitie abuses may be reformed by the Edict of the Magigrate without such particular instruction going before as in the former case is requisite Many times * Jo. 2.19 heresie departeth from the Church or Heretickes goe out from the Church and sometimes the Church is compelled to goe out from heresie the heresie still remaining * Revel 18.4 Come out of her my people saith the Lord the godly then departing from Babylon according to Gods commandement gathering themselves into Christian societies the religious Magistrate by his Edict or Proclamation going before them are the true churches of Christ The i Raynold orat epist ad fratrem Non semper heresis exit ab ecclesia aliquando manet heresis ecclesia exire cogitur Papacy was not the church but the church lay hid in the Papacy untill the time of separation which being made according to Gods commandement by the authoritie of the Lords Vicegerent the church which was before k August epist 48. ad Vincent Donatist Ecclesia est quae aliquando obscuratur tanquam obnubilatur multitudine scandalorum obscured doth now shine forth Thus our Divines doe soundly and truely answer to the Papists demanding where our Church was before Luther That it was where now it is but unrefined unstamped that it lay l Beza epist 1. ad Duditium et si Papatun non sit Ecclesia voluit Deus in Papatu servare ecclesiam hid among them for the time as some fit stones for the building under a great heap of rubbish and that we have not erected a new Church but repaired and restored a ruinous m See Dr. Feild of the Church lib. 3. c.