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A01730 A plaine declaration that our Brownists be full Donatists by comparing them together from point to point out of the writings of Augustine. Also a replie to Master Greenwood touching read prayer, wherein his grosse ignorance is detected, which labouring to purge himselfe from former absurdities, doth plunge himselfe deeper into the mire. By George Gyffard minister of Gods word in Maldon. Gifford, George, d. 1620. 1590 (1590) STC 11862; ESTC S118453 101,969 166

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that_o which_o they_o say_v and_o which_o they_o do_v as_o it_o be_v confirm_v by_o the_o scripture_n that_o the_o evil_a be_v not_o to_o be_v tolerate_v in_o the_o church_n but_o we_o must_v depart_v from_o they_o for_o fear_n of_o the_o contagion_n of_o their_o sin_n they_o show_v that_o they_o speak_v it_o to_o be_v understand_v thus_o that_o nevertheless_o they_o confess_v that_o no_o man_n can_v be_v spot_v with_o other_o man_n sin_n which_o be_v secret_a in_o this_o conference_n the_o donatist_n bishop_n stand_v upon_o this_o that_o the_o lord_n say_v of_o the_o church_n esay_n 52._o there_o shall_v no_o uncircumcised_a or_o unclean_a pass_n through_o thou_o any_o more_o and_o upon_o that_o which_o be_v write_v by_o the_o prophet_n hag_n chap._n 2._o ask_v the_o priest_n concern_v the_o law_n if_o a_o man_n carry_v holy_a flesh_n in_o the_o lap_n of_o his_o garment_n and_o the_o lap_n of_o his_o garment_n shall_v touch_v the_o bread_n etc._n etc._n shall_v he_o be_v sanctify_v the_o priest_n answer_v no._n then_o if_o a_o man_n that_o be_v unclean_a touch_n any_o of_o those_o thing_n shall_v it_o not_o be_v unclean_a the_o priest_n answer_n it_o shall_v be_v unclean_a so_o be_v this_o people_n and_o so_o be_v this_o nation_n before_o i_o say_v the_o lord_n and_o so_o be_v the_o whole_a work_n of_o their_o hand_n yea_o that_o which_o they_o have_v offer_v there_o have_v be_v unclean_a stay_v now_o and_o see_v whether_o the_o very_a same_o scripture_n be_v not_o in_o the_o mouth_n of_o the_o common_a sort_n of_o the_o brownist_n and_o whether_o the_o writing_n of_o the_o chief_a brownist_n be_v not_o every_o where_o spatred_n with_o the_o quotation_n of_o they_o and_o to_o prove_v the_o same_o thing_n which_o the_o donatist_n hold_v and_o maintain_v by_o they_o namely_o that_o such_o as_o communicate_v with_o open_a sinner_n be_v pollute_v by_o their_o sin_n and_o therefore_o they_o separate_v themselves_o but_o that_o this_o agreement_n between_o they_o may_v 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