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A85387 Cata-baptism: or new baptism, waxing old, and ready to vanish away. In two parts. The former containes LVIII. considerations, (with their respective proofs, and consectaries) pregnant for the healing of the common scruples touching the subject of baptism, and manner of baptizing. The latter, contains an answer to a discours against infant-baptism, published not long since by W.A. under the title of, Some baptismall abuses brielfy discovered, &c. In both, sundry things, not formerly insisted on, are discovered and discussed. / By J.G. a minister of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Goodwin, John, 1594?-1665. 1655 (1655) Wing G1155; Thomason E849_1; ESTC R207377 373,602 521

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and_o that_o the_o church_n do_v general_o accept_v and_o approve_v of_o they_o for_o such_o service_n as_o recommend_v unto_o they_o by_o their_o great_a and_o faithful_a apostle_n and_o that_o in_o this_o respect_n only_o they_o be_v term_v the_o messenger_n of_o the_o church_n but_o these_o man_n can_v fancy_v any_o thing_n and_o practice_v these_o fancy_n according_o to_o be_v deem_v singular_o primitive_a and_o apostolical_a many_o both_o judicious_a learned_a and_o godly_a have_v public_o 5._o §_o 5._o appear_v in_o the_o maintenance_n and_o defence_n of_o infant-baptism_n but_o not_o many_o of_o these_o character_n against_o it_o although_o it_o be_v true_a that_o much_o ink_n and_o paper_n have_v of_o late_o be_v levy_v by_o some_o in_o opposition_n to_o it_o what_o mr_n j._n tomb_n have_v assay_v for_o the_o support_n of_o anabaptism_n have_v be_v examine_v by_o many_o and_o upon_o proof_n find_v all_o face_n and_o no_o heart_n that_o of_o his_o write_n which_v escape_v the_o sword_n of_o the_o spirit_n in_o mr_n baxters_n hand_n who_o memorial_n throughout_o all_o age_n may_v well_o be_v malleus_fw-la anabaptismi_fw-la the_o maul_n of_o anabaptism_n have_v be_v since_o slay_v by_o the_o same_o sword_n in_o the_o hand_n of_o mr_n j._n horn._n mr_n fisher_n be_v the_o last_o man_n i_o know_v who_o thought_n have_v tempt_v he_o to_o believe_v that_o the_o ethiopian_a may_v yet_o be_v make_v white_a by_o wash_v and_o that_o water_n enough_o of_o his_o draw_n will_v do_v the_o feat_n but_o the_o man_n in_o his_o baby-baptism_n be_v too_o indulgent_a to_o his_o wit_n and_o fancy_n to_o do_v any_o great_a service_n to_o his_o cause_n affectation_n in_o write_v affect_v only_o those_o that_o be_v weak_a except_o it_o be_v to_o the_o disparagement_n of_o the_o writer_n and_o disadunatage_n of_o his_o cause_n i_o confess_v that_o at_o some_o turn_v he_o do_v outwit_n his_o ashford_n disputant_n at_o least_o if_o he_o deal_v honest_o in_o his_o transcription_n and_o not_o like_o mr_n kendal_n or_o mr_n underhill_n with_o his_o fiery_a squadron_n of_o bookseller_n who_o instead_o of_o fire_v a_o beacon_n will_v set_v both_o city_n and_o country_n on_o fire_n if_o they_o shall_v meet_v with_o a_o parliament_n of_o no_o wise_a a_o inspiration_n than_o their_o own_o but_o when_o he_o come_v to_o grapple_v with_o mr_n baxter_n the_o encounter_n seem_v to_o be_v like_o that_o of_o young_a troïlus_n with_o achilles_n infoelix_fw-la p●er_fw-la atque_fw-la impar_fw-la congressus_fw-la achilli_n unhappy_a stripling_n no_o meet_a combatant_n for_o great_a achilles_n for_o in_o this_o encounter_n he_o betake_v himself_o to_o that_o un-hallowed_n refuge_n of_o evil_a speak_n as_o man_n be_v over-mated_n with_o the_o truth_n be_v wont_a to_o do_v arbitror_fw-la te_fw-la say_v i_o of_o old_a to_o a_o opposer_n of_o the_o truth_n and_o who_o withal_o give_v ill_a language_n à_fw-la veritate_fw-la superatum_fw-la ad_fw-la maledicta_fw-la confugisse_fw-la i._o i_o suppose_v that_o be_v vanquish_v by_o the_o truth_n you_o flee_v for_o succour_v to_o opprobrious_a language_n when_o man_n intellectual_n be_v too_o short_a or_o scant_o they_o common_o piece_n and_o eke_o they_o out_o with_o their_o pathetical_n there_o be_v no_o man_n that_o understand_v any_o thing_n of_o mr_n baxter_n worth_a for_o part_n of_o learning_n and_o christian_a ingenuity_n that_o can_v hear_v such_o say_n as_o these_o concern_v he_o but_o in_o the_o notion_n of_o contumely_n and_o revile_n a_o shrill_a sound_n but_o a_o empty_a barrel_n such_o be_v mr_n baxter_n book_n indeed_o especial_o his_o twofold_a fardel_n about_o murder_n and_o adultery_n in_o which_o whether_o there_o be_v more_o noise_n or_o nonsense_n i_o know_v not_o but_o sure_o i_o be_o that_o there_o be_v ten_o time_n more_o twittle-come-twattle_a than_o truth_n 408._o truth_n mr_n fisher_n baby-baptism_n page_n 408._o if_o the_o man_n by_o twittle-come-twattle_a mean_v any_o thing_n contrary_a to_o the_o truth_n as_o his_o oppose_v it_o to_o the_o truth_n import_v he_o fall_v altogether_o as_o foul_a and_o heavy_a upon_o himself_o and_o his_o own_o say_n and_o these_o near_a at_o hand_n in_o charge_v ten_o time_n more_o of_o it_o then_o of_o truth_n upon_o mr_n baxter_n as_o upon_o he_o for_o in_o the_o very_a next_o page_n he_o charge_v he_o and_o this_o over_o and_o over_o that_o in_o all_o his_o discourse_n which_o he_o make_v to_o be_v very_o large_a to_o prove_v naked-dipping_a to_o be_v a_o breach_n of_o the_o seven_o commandment_n a_o intolerable_a wickedness_n a_o immodest_a action_n etc._n etc._n he_o prove_v nothing_o but_o what_o be_v acknowledge_v by_o himself_o and_o universal_o by_o all_o his_o party_n yea_o he_o demand_v quorsum_fw-la haec_fw-la to_o what_o purpose_n do_v he_o with_o such_o prolixity_n proceed_v to_o prove_v what_o no_o sober_a mind_a man_n of_o either_o party_n do_v deny_v be_v that_o which_o he_o and_o his_o party_n hold_v twittle-come-twattle_a or_o that_o which_o be_v contrary_a to_o the_o truth_n another_o charge_n of_o a_o like_a contradiction_n to_o his_o former_a of_o twittle-come-twattle_a he_o present_o subjoin_v as_o viz._n where_o he_o challenge_v he_o as_o most_o simple_o and_o sinister_o conclude_v against_o they_o in_o a_o matter_n of_o four_o or_o five_o argument_n that_o the_o chlidren_n of_o christian_n may_v not_o be_v baptize_v when_o they_o come_v to_o year_n profess_v himself_o and_o he_o to_o be_v of_o the_o same_o mind_n as_o for_o we_o say_v he_o we_o say_v as_o much_o etc._n etc._n a_o little_a after_o the_o shame_n of_o the_o former_a word_n he_o subjoin_v those_o which_o be_v worse_a and_o more_o maledictory_n i_o must_v needs_o confess_v say_v he_o that_o this_o be_v matter_n of_o weight_n indeed_o and_o a_o stone_n be_v heavy_a and_o the_o sand_n weighty_a but_o a_o fool_n wrath_n be_v heavy_a than_o they_o both_o this_o soon_o shot-bolt_n be_v big_a enough_o to_o hurt_v where_o it_o hit_v etc._n etc._n afterward_o he_o insinuate_v his_o report_n to_o be_v empty_a of_o truth_n and_o full_o of_o falsehood_n and_o a_o little_a after_o this_o his_o arguing_n against_o they_o to_o be_v silly_a sophistry_n his_o discourse_n against_o their_o dip_v naked_a to_o be_v a_o piece_n of_o paltry_a a_o mess_n of_o bald_a dash_n etc._n etc._n but_o the_o best_a be_v for_o matter_n of_o report_n mr_n baxter_n yea_o be_v of_o as_o good_a if_o not_o better_a authority_n as_o master_n fisher_n nay_o page_n 206._o he_o vilifi_v he_o with_o a_o be_v so_o childish_a in_o the_o same_o page_n he_o tell_v he_o that_o he_o abound_v and_o sink_v himself_o over_o head_n and_o ear_n in_o absurdity_n and_o again_o that_o he_o think_v the_o man_n have_v not_o his_o wit_n well_o about_o he_o page_z 208._o he_o say_v mr_n baxter_n dream_v and_o page_n 210._o o_o the_o wisdom_n he_o that_o be_v in_o the_o fire_n will_v not_o come_v out_o to_o hear_v how_o brave_o mr_n baxter_n bring_v about_o and_o about_o again_o his_o business_n it_o be_v pity_n but_o he_o shall_v be_v burn_v pag._n 79._o he_o tell_v his_o reader_n that_o he_o can_v but_o note_v by_o the_o way_n how_o egregious_o mr_n baxter_n peddle_v in_o a_o long_a prate_n to_o mr_n t_o s_o etc._n etc._n pag._n 362._o and_o 363._o to_o let_v pass_v many_o other_o vilify_n and_o reproachful_a expression_n speak_v of_o mr_n baxter_n book_n and_o indeed_o say_v he_o the_o whole_a be_v but_o a_o certain_a three-legged_a stool_n which_o he_o have_v make_v for_o people_n to_o sit_v at_o rest_n upon_o in_o their_o vain_a worship_n and_o serving_n of_o god_n etc._n etc._n and_o again_o p._n 419._o the_o true_a verdict_n which_o he_o can_v give_v as_o he_o say_v of_o this_o book_n be_v that_o it_o be_v a_o threefooted_n stool_n the_o leg_n of_o which_o be_v all_o lame_a add_v decripe_v make_v by_o mr_n baxter_n for_o the_o people_n of_o kederminster_n and_o bewd_o to_o sit_v at_o ease_n on_o in_o that_o popish_a posture_n and_o practice_n etc._n etc._n a_o little_a after_o p._n 363._o he_o drive_v on_o beyond_o the_o bound_n of_o modesty_n truth_n sense_n and_o reason_n as_o far_o i_o dare_v say_v to_o the_o full_a as_o god_n will_v suffer_v the_o devil_n to_o direct_v and_o drive_v he_o soon_o after_o and_o so_o it_o seem_v to_o i_o he_o god_n have_v leave_v mr_n baxter_n as_o godly_a as_o he_o be_v or_o else_o there_o can_v never_o have_v issue_v from_o he_o such_o inconsiderate_a crudity_n such_o rank_n venomous_a viperous_a ulcerous_a flux_n of_o folly_n flesh_n fierceness_n fiction_n falseness_n fiery_a invective_n to_o the_o mad_a of_o the_o very_a magistracy_n if_o it_o will_v be_v any_o long_o blind_v by_o the_o bawl_n of_o a_o mistake_a ministry_n etc._n etc._n domine_fw-la deus_fw-la meus_fw-la anne_n haec_fw-la est_fw-la loquela_fw-la silij_fw-la tui_fw-la ah_o lord_n
never_o in_o scripture_n express_v by_o a_o word_n which_o proper_o signify_v dip_v but_o constant_o by_o a_o word_n or_o word_n which_o in_o common_a acception_n and_o when_o apply_v by_o the_o scripture_n itself_o unto_o other_o act_n signify_v wash_v indefinite_o then_o have_v we_o no_o ground_n to_o believe_v that_o the_o sacramental_a transaction_n of_o baptise_v essential_o consist_v in_o dip_v or_o plunge_v the_o whole_a body_n under_o water_n consider_v 1._o that_o the_o term_n or_o word_n whereby_o this_o transaction_n be_v hold_v forth_o by_o god_n in_o the_o scripture_n do_v not_o proper_o at_o least_o not_o determinate_o import_n or_o signify_v dip_v or_o plunge_v 2._o that_o no_o other_o thing_n relate_v to_o this_o transaction_n mention_v in_o the_o scripture_n do_v enforce_v we_o to_o such_o a_o notion_n or_o conception_n of_o it_o as_o will_v be_v show_v ere_o long_o consideration_n xxxvi_o the_o administration_n of_o waterbaptism_n be_v frequent_o in_o scripture_n express_v by_o a_o baptise_v with_o water_n seldom_o or_o not_o at_o all_o by_o a_o baptise_v into_o water_n proof_n luk._n 3._o 16._o john_n answer_v say_v unto_o they_o all_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d i._n e._n i_o indeed_o baptize_v you_o with_o water_n act._n 11._o 16._o but_o i_o remember_v the_o word_n of_o the_o lord_n how_o he_o say_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d i._n e._n john_n indeed_o baptize_v with_o water_n but_o you_o shall_v be_v baptize_v with_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o in_o all_o those_o place_n where_o baptism_n be_v say_v to_o be_v administer_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d as_o mat._n 3._o 11._o mar._n 1._o 8._o joh._n 1._o 26._o 31._o 33._o the_o proposition_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d signify_v with_o and_o be_v according_o so_o translate_v in_o all_o these_o place_n and_o be_v of_o like_a signification_n in_o many_o other_o and_o must_v be_v so_o render_v likewise_o as_o for_o that_o expression_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d mar._n 1._o 9_o 1._o the_o preposition_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v as_o be_v else_o where_o observe_v frequent_o put_v for_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d he_o dwell_v in_o a_o city_n call_v nazareth_n mar._n 2._o 23._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o it_o be_v noise_v that_o he_o be_v in_o the_o house_n mar._n 2._o 1._o to_o omit_v many_o other_o 2._o if_o we_o make_v any_o difference_n between_o baptise_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d we_o must_v of_o necessity_n grant_v that_o there_o be_v several_a way_n or_o manner_n of_o baptise_v for_o it_o be_v express_o say_v mar._n 1._o 5._o that_o all_o the_o people_n that_o come_v unto_o john_n be_v baptize_v of_o he_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o the_o river_n jordan_n therefore_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v but_o the_o same_o consectary_n if_o baptism_n may_v be_v true_o and_o proper_o say_v to_o be_v administer_v or_o perform_v with_o water_n then_o may_v it_o true_o and_o proper_o be_v administer_v or_o perform_v without_o dip_v or_o plunge_v as_o viz._n by_o wash_v or_o any_o application_n of_o water_n to_o the_o body_n of_o the_o baptize_v yea_o it_o be_v altogether_o uncouth_a and_o improper_a to_o say_v that_o a_o man_n be_v dip_v or_o be_v to_o be_v dipe_v or_o plunge_v with_o water_n and_o so_o to_o make_v john_n say_v i_o indeed_o baptize_v you_o with_o water_n if_o by_o baptise_v be_v mean_v dip_v or_o plunge_v consideration_n xxxvii_o the_o sacramental_a act_n of_o baptise_v can_v be_v commodious_o for_o the_o understanding_n of_o man_n signify_v or_o express_v by_o the_o verb_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d if_o it_o be_v suppose_v that_o it_o proper_o signify_v to_o dip_v proof_n the_o reason_n of_o the_o truth_n of_o this_o consideration_n be_v because_o dip_v if_o this_o be_v requisite_a in_o baptism_n as_o it_o must_v be_v at_o least_o ordinary_o and_o where_o the_o law_n of_o mercy_n do_v not_o interpose_v if_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d proper_o signify_v to_o dip_v do_v express_v but_o the_o one_o half_a of_o the_o sacramental_a transaction_n of_o baptism_n for_o he_o that_o only_o dip_v a_o person_n man_n or_o woman_n in_o the_o water_n can_v hereby_o perform_v but_o one_o part_n or_o the_o one_o half_a of_o the_o sacramental_a act_n or_o transaction_n of_o baptism_n because_o this_o transaction_n be_v not_o finish_v or_o complete_v until_o he_o who_o have_v dip_v have_v again_o undip_v or_o raise_v &_o lift_v the_o person_n dipe_v out_o of_o the_o water_n now_o it_o be_v certain_a that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d do_v not_o signify_v to_o undip_v or_o heave_v out_o of_o the_o water_n it_o be_v in_o no_o degree_n probable_a that_o the_o holy_a ghost_n shall_v express_v that_o sacramental_a transaction_n which_o we_o call_v by_o the_o name_n of_o baptism_n by_o this_o word_n in_o case_n it_o be_v suppose_v that_o un-dipping_a or_o lift_v out_o of_o the_o water_n be_v a_o part_n of_o it_o and_o 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