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A48364	An ansvver to the book of Sir Thomas Manwaringe of Pever in Cheshire baronet, entituled A defence of Amicia, daughter of Hvgh Cyveliok, Earl of Chester wherein is vindicated and proved that the grounds declard in my former book, concerning the illegitimacy of Amicia, are not envinced by any solid answer or reason to the contrary / by Sir Peter Leycester ...	Leycester, Peter, Sir, 1614-1678.	1673 (1673)	Wing L1942; ESTC R10789	28,611	95

notion so Dominus is applicable to any Knight or Gentleman as if I should say Domine quaeso num hoc verum est quod dico necne but in this thing here spoken of I remember you did mention it to me and I fully intended to have called them all Knights but I know not by what Fate it was forgotten whether by my intentness on more weighty things to amend them before my Book went to the Press or my Book having been now above a year and a half out of my hands since I sent it away from me it seems I lost the opportunity and forgot it and I had rather give to any especially to your family more then is due then less howbeit it is not possible for me to place my words so in every particular as can give all men content Again you tell me That you might take notice of my mistake in my Book p. 336. where I blame the Herald who in Queen Elizabeth's time made for the then Sir Randle Manwaring's Coat Barry of twelve Peeces Argent and Gules for which I cited Guillim's Heraldry but that was the mistake of Guillim not the Herald for that which the Herald did then allow which I Blazoned amiss was Argent six Barrulets Gules And the Manwarings of Pever now next heir Male to Manwaringe of Warmincham have a good right to the six Barrulets with which Sir Roger Manwaringe did Seal as well as they have to the two Barres which Sir Thomas Manwaringe of Warmincham did bear But here is the Herald's errour that it should be given by him to Manwaringe of Pever now in these late Ages as his most proper Coat whereas ever since the time of the said Sir Roger Manwaringe as well the Heirs of the right Line as also the Manwarings of Pever after they became next Heir-Male have constantly born the two Barres for some hundreds of years without alteration successively and not the six Barrulets at all till this Change of the Herald in Queen Elizabeth's time why now though the Posterity of Sir Roger might have continued the right of six Barrulets yet they changed the same to two Barres which after so many Ages hath now gained an Hereditary right for at first Coats were assumed at Pleasure but from Henry the Third's time downward Arms began to be made Hereditary and most Gentlemen from that time downwards did bear the Coat of their Ancestors as it were hereditarily and here is the Absurdity that the Herald alters the Coat again to six Barrulets after so many Ages past when the two Barres had been so long retained as an Hereditary right for let any man but imagine what confusion Changes would make in case every Son should vary from his Father by bearing a distinct Coat and stick to no certainty wherefore it seems absurd and I know not whether it may destroy a right already gained in this Case for it is usage onely that makes a right herein as you may see in the great Suit between Scroop and Grosvenour in the Marshall's Court under Richard the Second concerning the bearing of a Coat of Armes whereto both challenged a right and Property by Usage but no other way And thirdly you tell me That you suspect I have branded several Persons in my Book with Bastardy without direct Proof thereof and although you concern not your self for any but some of those by me mentioned when I write of the base Issue of Hugh Cyveliok yet if you make it appear that I have there without any certainty aspersed two other Ladies besides Amicia you hope I shall have no just Cause to blame you Truly I shall not For those you hint upon but name not I can make no answer to take off your suspicion till I know who they be but the other two Ladies besides Amicia I conceive you mean Geva Daughter of Hugh Lupus and the Wife of Bacun Daughter of Hugh Cyveliok which two you bring in upon the account of Amicia for those being proved Bastards will be a great blow to Amicia and had not the Case of Amicia been concerned I believe these two had never been spoken of by you nor suspected nor doubted of But if I do make good what I have Alledged I hope then you will recant for branding me with an Aspersion which I think I shall do with as much certainty as the nature of the thing and times will admit So much touching your Epistle and now I proceed to the rest of your Book Page 21 22. WHere in the first place you wonder That I should so peremptorily call Amice a base Daughter of Hugh Cyveliok unless I had more sure grounds to go upon and though it be your Taske onely to defend Amicia yet you suppose you shall make it appear before you have done that I go on no absolute certainty in calling Bacun's Wife Mother of Richard Bacun Founder of Roucester-Priory another base Daughter of Hugh Cyveliok or in calling Geva a base Daughter of Hugh Lupus and then you would remind me of what I have been formerly told that those Heralds that gave Manwaringe of Pever the Quartering of the Earl of Chester's Coat in Queen Elizabeth's time were Mr. Cambden and Mr Erdeswick Persons that you do not know why I should so much mislike their boldness and ignorance as I call it for their so doing Whereunto I say My grounds are certain enough to prove them all three Bastards and such as yet is not refelled by you by any substantial Answer to the contrary and I believe in the Loose it will so appear as to the Heralds you mention you say you would remind me that you had formerly told me of them but you never told me till long time after that part of my Book was written what then Mr. Cambden I hold a most Learned man and one of the best Antiquaries of our Nation in this last Age but yet for doing this thing whether Cambden himself or who ever else I say he was overbold in it and it is erroneous for though in the Age of Henry the Second Quartering of Coats was not in use yet about the Reign of Henry the Fourth every Gentleman began to Quarter the Coat of the chief Heir with whom his Progenitor had matched and after Edward the Fourth's time marshalling of many Coats together came into use and this was to shew their right so saith Cambden himself in his Remains p. 225. of the Edition thereof put out by Philpot. Now between the Age of Henry the Fourth and Queen Elizabeth had elapsed above 150. years time enough to have taken notice of such a Quartering if it had been right and due but you ingeniously confess in the place cited that perhaps in strictness it may be true that it doth only belong to those of the whole-blood to Quarter Coats and that to shew their rights yet it being now a common practice for those of the Half blood to do it you know not why it should be

Robert Nedham of Shenton in Shropshire which words are to be expunged there Page 315. line 5. Where it is said George Venables of Agden Esq one small Tenement Read George Venables of Agden Esq three small Tenements in Mere in possession of William Occleston Michaiah Bower and Peter Chorton Page 315. line 13. It is there said Edward Allen of Rosthorne one small Tenement in Mere Read thus Edward Allen of Rosthorne one small Tenement in Mere in possession of Henry Hunt and two parts of John Occleston's Tenement Pag. 316. line 18 19. Where it is said Geffrey Cartwright Gentleman hath lately bought the Shaw-house in Millington from Millington of Millington Read thus Geffrey Cartwright Gentleman hath the Shaw-house in Millington which Richard Cartwright his Father bought of Thomas Shaw 1646. which Land was formerly John Wilkinson's and Shaw came to it by Marriage Pag. 326. lin 16. Where it is said Came to Francis Cholmondeley Read thus Came to Francis Cholmondeley for his life Pag. 327. line 10 11. It is said Thomas Brooke Second Son married Jane Daughter of one Weston of Sutton nigh Frodsham Tenant to Warburton of Arley instead whereof read Thomas Brooke second Son married Jane Woodfen Daughter of Richard Woodfen of Sutton near Frodsham-Bridge Her Mother afterwards married William Weston of Astmore in Halton so that Weston was but her Stepfather Pag. 327. line 13. Where it is said Richard Brooke third Son of Sir Richard Professor of Physick died at Boughton nigh Chester without Issue anno Dom. 1667. put out the words without Issue for he had Issue by Sarah his former wife daughter of Judge Warburton of Hifferton-Grange in Weverham Lordship although he had no Issue by Anne his latter wife the Widow of Edward Holland of Denton in Lancashire Esq and Daughter of Edward Warren of Pointon in Cheshire Esq Pag. 334. line 33 34. Where it is said Which Chappel Margery his Wife surviving erected with the two Monuments therein for her self and Husband anno Dom. 1456. instead whereof read thus Which Chappel this Randle caused to be erected with the two Monuments therein for himself and wife an Dom. 1456. for Margery died before him to wit 27. Hen. 6. and he died 35. Hen. 6. Page 280. line 44. Where in the Margin it is said Corrupte pro saltuariis id est Forrestars Read Corrupte pro saltationibus aut saltatoriis id est Deer-leaps Pag. 335 line 12. Where is omitted as followeth Agnes another Daughter of John Manwaringe Esquire married Sir Robert Nedham of Crannach in Cheshire Knight and afterwards of Shenton in Shropshire which Shavington vulgo Shenton was estated on him by Judge Nedham who purchased the same And this Match appeareth by a blewish Marble-stone or Monument in the Chancel of Adderley Church in Shropshire whereon are the Pictures of the said Sir Robert Nedham and Dame Agnes and seven Sons and two Daughters as also an Inscription all of them in Brass as followeth Here lieth buried under this Stone the Bodies of Sir Robert Nedeham Knight and Dame Agnes his Wife Daughter of John Manwaringe of Pever Esq which said Robert deceased the iiij day of June Anno Dom. 1556. And the said Agnes deceased the 11. Day of May Anno Dom. 1560. Pag. 345. line 36. The word where is to be expunged for the Lady Mary Cholmondeley died at Vale-royal which she purchased and gave it to Thomas Cholmondeley her fourth Son and his Heirs Page 361 line 19. Where it is said Died unmarried 1653. Read Was never married he drowned himself the sixth day of July 1653. Page 374. line 4. Read Sir Amos Meredeth Baronet a. Page 376. line 26. Where is omitted Hugh Toft another Son Parson of Alderley and after of Stopport 8. Hen. 4. lib. C. fol. 229. T. num 40 42. Anno 1402. 3. Hen. 4.29 Novem. Nobilis Vir Johannes le Manwaringe Dominus de Stockport praesentat ad Ecclesiam de Stockport Hugonem de Toft Capellanum post mortem Jacobi de Bagiley ultimi Rectoris lib. B. p. 12. d. Pag. 381. line 28. Where is omitted also another Son called William Leycester who died without Issue Pag. 392. line 22. Where should follow thus The said Robert Venables bought all the Demain-Land and also Wood 's Farm with the Mills called Cranage Mills But the Tenements were some of them bought by the Tenants themselves and some of them by others Page 437. line ult Add there thus Only Dodleston remains yet to Cheshire and Marleston nigh Eccleston and Claverton and Lache nigh Chester which were all part of Atiscros-Hundred These Amendments Reader will set thee straight in the Perusal of my former Book together with the correction of the Errata 's of Printing committed by the great negligence of the Printer which are now mentioned and rectified by a distinct Page at the end of the said Book Farewel FINIS