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into_o the_o error_n call_v by_o paschasius_fw-la and_o algerus_n stercoranistarum_n who_o hold_v that_o christ_n in_o the_o sacrament_n be_v hypostatical_o unite_v unto_o the_o bread_n and_o assume_v it_o into_o one_o person_n with_o himself_o be_v therefore_o subject_a to_o digestion_n and_o avoidance_n 43_o avoidance_n reply_v pag._n 43_o callida_fw-la mendacia_fw-la he_o feign_v in_o earnest_n and_o there_o be_v but_o need_n for_o paschasius_fw-la make_v no_o mention_n of_o the_o stercoranistae_n second_o rabanus_n in_o his_o penitential_a hold_v the_o contrary_a mitti_fw-la contrary_a cap._n 33._o ista_fw-la sententia_fw-la contraria_fw-la est_fw-la sententijs_fw-la clementis_fw-la papae_fw-la &_o aliorum_fw-la multorum_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la patrum_fw-la qui_fw-la dicunt_fw-la corpus_fw-la domini_fw-la non_fw-la cum_fw-la caeâ—â—ris_fw-la communibus_fw-la cibis_fw-la per_fw-la aquatiâ—ulos_fw-la in_o seâ—â—ssum_fw-la mitti_fw-la three_o it_o be_v a_o idle_a figment_n that_o 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principio_fw-la reply_v pag._n 20_o etc._n etc._n here_o any_o man_n may_v see_v that_o this_o jesuite_n dare_v not_o stand_v to_o his_o accept_a motion_n to_o be_v try_v by_o moses_n and_o the_o prophet_n christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n the_o sacred_a scripture_n and_o therefore_o he_o labour_v to_o weaken_v the_o strength_n thereof_o but_o let_v he_o mantle_n himself_o in_o his_o pretence_n never_o so_o much_o this_o be_v sufficient_a to_o declare_v that_o a_o change_n have_v be_v make_v which_o be_v all_o that_o the_o most_o learned_a answerer_n desire_v to_o conclude_v so_o that_o if_o we_o can_v declare_v that_o papist_n no_o protestant_n in_o their_o change_n make_v have_v fall_v from_o the_o purity_n of_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n of_o primitive_a time_n the_o jesuite_n will_v rest_v like_o a_o franciscan_a novice_n demure_a and_o tongue-tied_a for_o ever_o for_o the_o three_o first_o instance_n we_o confess_v that_o a_o change_n have_v be_v make_v and_o that_o herein_o we_o 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pag._n 27_o if_o no_o more_o vain_a than_o the_o former_a the_o learned_a answerer_n need_v not_o to_o fear_v well_o where_o be_v this_o enclosure_n of_o vanity_n i_o hear_v s._n hierome_n say_v the_o church_n do_v read_v indeed_o the_o book_n of_o judith_n and_o toby_n and_o the_o mâ—chabees_n but_o do_v not_o receive_v they_o for_o canonical_a scripture_n 113._o scripture_n hieronym_n praesat_n in_o libros_fw-la solomon_n epist_n 113._o i_o see_v that_o at_o this_o day_n the_o church_n of_o rome_n receive_v they_o for_o such_o may_v not_o i_o then_o conclude_v say_v the_o most_o learned_a primate_n 9_o primate_n in_o his_o answer_n to_o the_o jesuite_n challenge_n pag_n 9_o that_o betwixt_o s._n hierome_n time_n and_o we_o there_o have_v be_v a_o change_n and_o that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n now_o be_v not_o of_o the_o same_o judgement_n with_o the_o church_n of_o god_n then_o howsoever_o i_o can_v precise_o lay_v down_o the_o time_n wherein_o she_o first_o think_v herself_o to_o 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hieronymum_n verum_fw-la potius_fw-la ex_fw-la act_n cjus_o in_o quibus_fw-la obiter_fw-la citatus_fw-la idem_fw-la libre_fw-la inventus_fw-la â—uit_fw-la this_o baronius_n affirm_v where_o then_o in_o some_o obscure_a pamphlet_n for_o any_o thing_n the_o jesuit_n know_v and_o so_o far_o be_v st_n hierome_n from_o testify_v to_o the_o world_n what_o the_o jesuite_n so_o confident_o affirm_v that_o it_o can_v be_v manifest_v st_n hierome_n give_v any_o credit_n to_o what_o he_o say_v be_v only_o read_v yea_o their_o own_o lindanus_n from_o st_n hieromes_n uncertain_a manner_n of_o speech_n legitur_fw-la computâsse_fw-la seem_v to_o conclude_v that_o st_n hierome_n believe_v it_o not_o though_o he_o may_v read_v it_o videtur_fw-la it_o lindan_n panopl_n evangel_n l._n 3._o c._n 3._o uchementer_fw-la ut_fw-la dubitem_fw-la facit_fw-la quod_fw-la apud_fw-la hieronymum_n praefat_fw-la in_o judith_n reperitut_v &_o paulâ—_n cost_n sed_fw-la legitur_fw-la computasse_fw-la ait_fw-la hiero._n 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praefatione_fw-la scribit_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la libros_fw-la judith_n thobiae_fw-la ac_fw-la machabeorum_fw-la legere_fw-la quidem_fw-la sed_fw-la inter_fw-la canonicas_fw-la scripturas_fw-la non_fw-la recipere_fw-la and_o erasmus_n in_o his_o censure_n upon_o this_o prologue_n say_v that_o st_n hierome_n do_v not_o affirm_v the_o book_n of_o judith_n to_o have_v be_v approve_a in_o the_o nicene_n synod_n computâsse_fw-la synod_n censura_fw-la prologi_fw-la ad_fw-la librum_fw-la judith_n non_fw-la affirmat_fw-la approbatum_fw-la hunc_fw-la in_o synodo_fw-la nicaena_n sed_fw-la ait_fw-la legitur_fw-la computâsse_fw-la so_o that_o it_o be_v most_o apparent_a who_o it_o be_v that_o play_v bopeep_n with_o his_o reader_n that_o affect_v ignorance_n to_o wrong_v the_o truth_n further_o what_o do_v st_n hierome_n afterward_o that_o may_v cause_v the_o jesuite_n to_o conceive_v it_o in_o his_o subsequent_a esteem_n canonical_a he_o translate_v it_o but_o do_v he_o not_o the_o like_a to_o 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