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A77772	Some reasons humbly proposed to the Lords spiritual and temporal, and Commons assembled in Parliament, why the Quakers principles and practices should be examined, and censured or suppressed. As also, some reason why I thus proceed.	Bugg, Francis, 1640-1724?	1699 (1699)	Wing B5396B; ESTC R233986	11,602	2

Some REASONS Humbly Proposed to the Lords Spiritual and Temporal and Commons Assembled in Parliament why the Quakers Principles and Practices should be Examined and Censured or Suppressed As also some Reasons why I thus proceed I. AS it is the Priviledge of every free-born Englishman as well as his Duty to discover to the Government what he thinks may be of dangerous Consequence either to Church or State so I have taken it to be my Duty for many Years and I am still of the same Mind II. Because as in the Quakers ancient Books so in their late Apology c. they seem to allow of an Examination saying Blame not before Examination first Vnderstand and then Rebuke III. Because I do not understand that the Petitioners desire otherwise namely that the Quakers Errors should be censured before Examination nor desire Persecution or the Alteration of the Liberty granted Protestant Dissenters by the Act of Toleration IV. Because it is morally impossible to know what the Quakers Principles are or what they really hold by the Books they publickly present since 't is plain their Books carry two Faces and are fitted for the Compass of all Occasions and to serve every Turn Some intituled This is only to go among Friends some This is only to go among Friends and not otherwise some Written only for Friends who can read it Other some inscrib'd with this Direction To be scattered among the Ignorant Simple and Blind People some For the spreading of Truth some For Teachers and Professors Ministers and Magistrates c. In one sort they pretend to own Jesus of Nazareth to be the Son of God and Redeemer of the VVorld whilst in the other sort they utterly deny the same saying That the Outward Person that suffered was properly the Son of God we utterly deny In one sort they pretend to own the Scripture Trinity i. e. Father Son and Holy Ghost whilst in the other sort they say Your Imagined God beyond the Stars and your Carnal Christ is utterly denied and testified against by the Light to say that Christ is God and Man in one Person it is a Lie In one sort they highly value the Death and Sufferings of Christ while in the other sort they say That the Sufferings of the People call'd Quakers in this Age is greater and more unjust than the Sufferings in the Days of Christ his Apostles or any time since What was done to Christ and his Apostles was chiefly done by a Law and in great part by the DVE Execution of a Law In one sort they pretend to value the Scriptures above all Books in the World whilst in the other sort they Contemptuously call them Carnal Dust Death Beastly Ware Serpents Meat c. And that we may as well condemn the Scriptures to the Fire as their Books Nay further G. Whitehead being asked Whether the Quakers do esteem their Speaking to be of as great Authority as the Scriptures He answered That which is spoken from the Spirit of Truth in any is of as great Authority as the Scriptures or Chapters are and GREATER Which Book Truth defending the Quakers c. in Title Page is said to be given forth from the Spirit of Truth in G. Whitehead and G. Fox Jun. and consequently that Book tho' but of 3 d. price is of greater Authority than the Bible all which shew it morally impossible to know what the Quakers Principles are by that sort of Books they publickly present Wherefore Examination is as essentially necessary in order to a right Understanding of the Quakers Principles as that mention'd 1 Kings 3.23 24. where the Wisdom of Solomon was manifest V. Because W. Penn tells us in his Defence against the Bishop of Cork P. 38 79. That where the Quakers are supposed to differ most from the Christians there they differ least i. e. in Doctrine and where they are believed to differ least there they differ most of all c. And thereupon an Examination is highly necessary And in order to find out this Mystery viz. where the Quakers differ most of all from the Christians and yet least suspected give me leave to search till I find it out And 1st does it lye whether W. P. be a Pr nt or a Pa st No for the Nation is fully satisfied in the Truth of the last 2dly Is it in the Carnality of the Christians No for the Carnality of the Quakers their Number consider'd far exceed them as shew'd in the Cage of Unclean Birds See my Pilgrims Progress c. p. 127 to 145. 3dly Is it in their Meekness Gentleness and Patience Is it in their Non-persecution not giving Names for or Personal Reflections about Religion No this is out of doubt no Mystery for of all Mankind none like them for Bitterness of Spirit for Hell-fetcht Names as if the Furies of Hell possess'd them And for Persecution had they Power there 's none like them their Fining and Imprisoning for Conscience sake in Pensilvania is a Demonstration What then I answer touching Government where they are not more against the English Government but as Arbitrary in their own and in this Mystery of Iniquity they are least suspected and touching that I think Father Penn has spoke more Truth than he is aware of but to Particulars VI. In one sort of their Books they pretend to love own and honour the King yea to pray for all Men for Kings and all that are in Authority but in their contrary sort of Books they tell you That all KINGS and EMPERORS sprung up in the Night since the Days of the Apostles among the ANTICHRISTS That they own no King but Jesus nor no Government but the Government of the Lamb That they are Traytors against Christ that desire an Earthly King Do you read say the Quakers that there were any Kings since the Days of the Apostles but among the APOSTATE CHRISTIANS That Kings are the SPIRITUAL EGYPTIANS Oh what a Sincerity was once in the Nation What a DIRTY NASTY thing it would have been to have heard talk of a House of Lords among them A Parliament chosen by most Voices are not like to act for God and the Good of his People It was thro' Ignorance that the People subjected themselves to Hereditary Government or to the Government standing in a single Person successively And our Nation have been under the Bonds of Slavery in this Respect So that having at last found out this Mystery viz. where the Quakers and the Christians differ most of all tho' least suspected as I have at large shewed in my Pilg. Prog. c. p. 14 15 and p. 37 to 127. I shall first draw a Scheme of the Quakers Yearly Meeting or Convocation which in Form and Figure is somewhat like the Council of Trent and then shew the Danger of it which is least of all suspected The QUAKERS SYNOD Note Reader That in Anno 1650. there was as little Probability to see them in 1698. sit thus in Councel

by or with a Publick Minister Carrying Guns c. As Antichristian Yoaks of Bondage giving Order to their Deputies and by them to their Monthly and Quarterly Meetings throughout England and Wales to collect and to send up all such Sufferings as come upon them for Non-payment of Tythes c. In order to enter into their Record for Sufferings thereby rendering to future Ages all our Magistrates and Law-makers who either make or execute the Laws Persecutors directly in Opposition to another Branch of the recited Act of Parliament viz. Provided always that nothing herein contained shall be construed to exempt any of the Persons aforesaid from paying of the Tythes or other Parochial Duties or any other Duties to the Church or Minister c. VII They also have a Fund or Common Stock which this Meeting orders to be raised without Authority of Parliament which said Fund is to support their Government and propagate their Principles At this Meeting they order a Committee of Inspection to view their Accompts they also have Treasurers whose Names in 1693. were W. Crouch J. Staploe W. Chandler W. Beech W. Macket and N. Marks which being put together as it shews their Design to be laid deep so it appears to be of a dangerous Consequence especially when they shall think themselves able to Capitulate for Money answers all things as the Proverb is and our English Magistrates have ever looked upon Common Bankers to be as bad as those that hoard up Arms and Ammunition and how dangerous that is in this united Confederacy I leave others to judge VIII At this Meeting Anno 1693. when we were actually engaged in a War with France even then did they take Care that their People should not be Assistant nay not so much as to carry Guns in their Ships And 't is worth our Notice that from their Yearly Meetings they yet never made any one Publick Address to His present Majesty altho' it was their constant Practice during the late Reign Insomuch that as Quakerism prevail so long as they keep to their late Testimony against Fighting the Protestant Interest is so much weakned But whenever they shall Re-assume their Fighting Principles as in Pensilvania they have already done they 'll be a dreadful People to England in overturning Kings Princes Governments and Laws owning no King but Jesus i. e. their Light within as above observed Then shall we find W. Penn's Words true who now tell us That where we believe they differ least there they differ most of all IX At this Meeting they receive in and send out their Intelligence to all Parts Foreign and Domestick as also how to spread their Books the Expence of which as well as Stipends for their Preaching Emissaries attending Parliaments c. are supplied by their Common Bank And as this shews their Communication with Foreigners so does it afford a good Reason why this Communication ought to be CVT off which can be done no otherwise but by Cutting down this Great TREE i. e. their Yearly Meeting with all its Branches X. And as a further Demonstration of the Truth of the Ninth Head touching their holding a Correspondency with Foreigners which is of a dangerous Consequence being of themselves already in England as I have seen in Print above 100000 and the Extent of their Dominion to which they are united both in our own Plantations as well as in other Kingdoms as Maryland Virginia Barbadoes Jamaica East and West Jersey Pensilvania New-England North-Carolina Rhoad-Island Long-Island Antegoa Mevis Ireland Scotland Holland Port-Royal Dantzick Hamburgh Brandenburgh Saxony Germany c. I say when this united Confederacy are moved either by their Light within or by a Motion of their Inspired Prophets to call to their Assistance Two or Three Regiments from each of these Places what will become of poor England Then tho' too late we may experience the Truth of W. Penn's Words viz. Where we believed the Quakers differ'd from us least there they most of all differ'd XI At these Meetings they Renew Revive and Maintain their Ancient Testimony and First Principles with Vigor in all the Parts of it both against Church and State viz. Whether it be against the Scripture being the Word of God and Rule of Life and Practice under the Cont●mptuous Names of Death Dust Beastly Ware Serpents Meat c. Whether it be against the Ordinances which Christ Instituted in his Church as Baptism with Water and the Supper with Bread and Wine under the Names of Carnal that arose from the Pope's Invention and is the Table of Devils and Cup of Devils Affirming from Heb. 9.10 That Circumcision is as much in force as Water Baptism and the Paschal Lamb as Bread and Wine and that they the Quakers testifie from the same Spirit by which Paul Renounced Circumcision that they are to be Rejected as not now Required Whether it be to dialogue the Bishops and call them Monsters to censure the Book of Common-Prayer to proceed from the Pope's Loins Whether it be that the Clergy be Witches Devils Antichrists Sodomites Blood-Hounds Gormandizing Priests the Bane of Soul and Body of the Universe for whom say the Quakers the Theatre of God's most dreadful Vengeance is reserved to act their Eternal Tragedy upon as they have sentenced them Whether it be against the Protestant Dissenters the Presbyterians Independants and Baptists whom they call An ill-bred Pedantick Crew the Bane of Religion and P●●● of the VVorld the old Incendiaries to Mischief and the best to be spared of Mankind Against whom the BOYLING VENGEANCE of an Irritated God is ready to be poured out In a Word whether it was their Ancient Principles that Kings were SPIRITUAL EGY●TIANS that all People since the Days of Christ that Loved Honoured and Obeyed Kings were APOSTATES that all Parliaments chosen by the People and elected by most Voices were Enemies to God and his People yea any or all or a Hundred times more than I here have mention'd were HEATHEN APOSTATES c. by their Ancient Principles and because of which Principles they were glad of an Act of Oblivion upon the Restauration yet at these their Yearly Meetings where their Doors are shut close and where they can freely debate there they can so far forget themselves as that they Renew these their old Seditious and Bloody Principles And to prove it so shall be my 12th and last Head on this Subject XII At their Yearly Meeting 1696. by way of Revival of all and singular their Ancient Erroneous and Seditious Principles which I have in this or other of my Writings objected against them they Ratifie and Confirm in these Words VVe cannot but Recommend to you say this general Councel to their Deputies and Disciples the holding up the HOLY Testimony of TRUTH which hath made us to be a People and that in ALL the PARTS of it for Truth is one and changes not and what it convinced us to be Evil in the Beginning it reproves still

c. Viz. Whether Kings or Parliaments Magistrates or Ministers Scriptures or Ordinances c. Again to Confirm what I say at their Second Day Meeting 1698. in their Book there approved intituled Primitive Christianity Continued p. 6. They assert saying Our Principles are now no other than what they were when we were first a People c. And what their Principles were in the beginning I have here and elsewhere given a large Account And now for a Conclusion and by way of Apology I have this to say That altho' none can be Ignorant who are conversant in the Quakers Writings how bold they have been in all Governments to Dictate as Prophets of the most High and in the Name of the Great God to prescribe Methods both to Kings and Parliaments Judges and Justices as well how to make as execute the Laws already made yet I hope I shall not follow their Example therein But when I have discharged my Conscience and performed my Duty as an English Man and a Christian all I have said or what I have still to say I shall humbly submit to the Wisdom of my Superiors not doubting but to make good Proof of every thing suggested either from Matter of Fact out of their Books or by my own Experience which they shall not be able to gainsay But if after all the Quakers shall say they are Misrepresented which is the usual Refuge for all Hereticks to fly unto yet let this be observed that as on the one Hand if it were enough to Condemn a Man meerly to accuse him then none would be Innocent who are in Controversie so on the other Hand none would be guilty if it were a sufficient Excuse to say I am misrepresented And therefore I shall once more accept of George VVhitehead's Offer if he think I wrong the Quakers as in their Vindication printed 1693. p. 4. col 1. viz. I George VVhitehead freely offer and am willing to make it plainly appear before ANY Six Ten or Twelve Competent Witnesses w●o are moderate Men of Sense and common Reason That Francis Bugg hath grosly and wickedly Abused and Perverted Truth and Wronged the People called Quakers in Charge Citation and Observation c. Now in Answer and Acceptation hereof I do say and freely offer to meet him on these Terms let him chuse the one half of the Six Ten or Twelve moderate Men and I will chuse the other half of them out of the Ministers of any of the four Christian Societies whether Episcopalians Presbyterians Independants or Baptists and to them I will leave my Cause if he will engage to do the same But if he shall say he cannot find so many Men of common Sense and Moderation amongst them all that he dare trust his Cause withal it either shews that he is Conscious that he has a bad Cause to defend or so faithless as to think he cannot find Six such Men that will do him Justice as far as his Case will bear And so I conclude a Lover of my King and Country and an earnest Contender for the Christian Faith Francis Bugg Postscript Since I wrote the foregoing I have seen a Scurrilo●s and Scandalous Pamphlet subscribed tho' like Ahab disguised by a pretended Member of the Church of England whilst I have Reason to believe the Author thereof to be a real Quaker tho' ashamed as well he may to subscribe his Name suggesting in the said Pamphlet that the Design of the Petitioners is to raise Persecution which as it is altogether False and without any Ground as may be seen by the Petition so likewise do the Quakers not fear Persecution since that would turn to the Account of their deceivable Teachers who are Men of Design and have Ends to serve being Originally and generally speaking Men of no Fortunes As Journeymen Carpenters Taylors Shoe-makers Combers Weavers c. And Persecution would be a means for their Implicite Followers to open their Purses wider and so enlarge their Fund or Common Bank as well as thereby give them cause to glory i● their Sufferings in Hopes thereby to advance themselves No this is not their Fear but their Fear and Dread is that they should come to be Examined their Errors Discover'd their Followers thereby Inlightned 〈◊〉 their Holy Cheats Manifested and their Jesuitical Cra●● grow into Disesteem And further this Pamphlet suggests that F. Bugg is Judas the Church of England the Jews and cons●quently that the Quakers are Jesus All which shews this obscure Author to be a real Quaker and from ●ence I cannot but observe a Story I lately heard of a Project proposed and carried on to Acquit VV. P. of t●e then general Suspicion of being a J t tho' I think it rather increased it For P. E. and W. P. both jugg●d together and P. E. was to be the Gentleman and ●s such to write a Letter thus superscribed To the Honourable William Penn Esq Proprietor and Governor of Pens●lvania and VV. Penn to answer it Well an Answer to it was written and both printed 1688. No matter whether each wrote their Part or one wrote Both they were then both Quakers and it was for a Design and to serve a Turn they can turn their Dialect into any Shape In like manner I take this Subscription of the Obscure pretended Member of the Church of England by his Scandalous Reflections to be a real Quaker But as this is no new thing with the Quakers so I shall shew that there is not a Member of the House of Commons that keeps a Coach and a Man to wait upon him that have not lain under as hard a Censure as the being accounted a Judas For the Quakers in this have no Regard to Persons Nay I shall prove by their Doctrine that all the Gentlemen in England are the CHILDREN of the DEVIL as amply as I have already proved that all our Kings since the Days of Christ were SPIRITUAL EGYPTIANS and that all that Loved Honoured Feared and Obeyed them are and were APOSTATES And my present proof shall be omitting many I might make mention of out of a Book wrote by one of their most Celebrated Authors intituled The Trump●t of the Lord blown by a Servant of the Lord c. printed 1●●● and in p. 10. said to be VVritten from the Spirit of the Lord and p. 13. From the Mouth of the Lord. I am the more particular herein because George Whitehead in his Book Truth defending the Quakers c. says p. 7. That which is spoken from the Spirit of Truth in any is of as great Authority as the Scriptures or Chapters are and GREATER And having thus proved the Authority of this Book of James Parnell to be GREATER than that of our Bible by the several Quaker Testimonies I now proceed to my Proof viz. p. 1 2 3. Wo unto you Lords Ladies Knights Gentlemen and Gentlewomen who are called Master Sir Mistress and Madam you must have your Ale saith this Prophet Parnell and your